Tazz26 |

10 month ago

Ladies and gentlemen...

In my opinion, a title won collectively is a feat that should not be trivialised. It's not easy to create cohesion within a group, let alone unite them to achieve a common goal, a title, a title retention, or any number of other objectives.

At present, the lower divisions are not rewarded with a title in the league championship. At a time when the game is seeking to develop by going global, wouldn't it be wise to consider all players in the same light?

It's not a death sentence, but it's an evolution that seems necessary to me. Wouldn't you agree?

Thank you


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Dino_ |

10 month ago
Tazz26 : Ladies and gentlemen...

In my opinion, a title won collectively is a feat that shouldn't be trivialised. The cohesion of a group is not easy to create, even less to federate for a common mission, a title, a maintenance, various other objectives.

At present, the lower divisions are not rewarded with a title in the league championship. At a time when the game is seeking to develop by going global, wouldn't it be wise to consider all players in the same light?

It's not a death sentence, but it's an evolution that seems necessary to me. Wouldn't you agree?

Thanks
So it's strange, aymeric on the discord had pointed out (following a question), that winning the league championship (any division), would be displayed on the list of winners for the clubs in the agreement.
As proof, winning Division 2 is now displayed in the clubs' prize lists.

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Tazz26 |

10 month ago

Perhaps it stopped at division 2.
In any case, D3 isn't rewarded and neither are the following divisions. It shouldn't take much effort and it will please the dozens of players who fight for the title every season in these divisions...


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Arnoldo09 |

10 month ago

After that, I don't think you need to make a huge effort to win D3...


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Colombpal85 |

10 month ago
[Arnoldo09]After that, I don't think you need a huge effort to win D3...[/quote]

It doesn't matter, it's still a title, the clubs have that line in their palmares when they win a D3 championship

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Arnoldo09 |

10 month ago
[Colombpal85]
Arnoldo09 : After that I don't think it takes a huge effort to win D3...
It doesn't matter, it's still a title, the clubs have that line in their palmares when they win a D3 championship

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Lolo7 |

10 month ago

I may be wrong but it was intended to be only in D2 because of the sister agreements etc etc etc. In D3, yes, why not, but in those cases it would be necessary for all divisions, which would lose its meaning, but I completely understand the thinking behind it. At the very least, I think it's an idea like any other to make it appear in the description of the agreement (officially by vf and not by adding it ourselves) 😁
But there are already the bonuses that's good!


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Blagoje Vidinic |

10 month ago
[Arnoldo09][... ]The line in the junior ranking is already ridiculous too[/quote]

Eho! Just because you can't get one doesn't mean you should denigrate these lines

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Tazz26 |

10 month ago
[Arnoldo09]After that, I don't think it takes a huge effort to win D3...[/quote]

A rather contemptuous comment about the 200 clubs in D3... there are clubs that are not just there to try and dethrone the CP, the best club in the game in recent years. Some may simply have the ambition to take part and do their best. No matter how important a title is to you or anyone else, it's worth what it's worth in the eyes of whoever wins it, but it deserves to be there and there's no point in not listing it.

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Arnoldo09 |

10 month ago
Blagoje Vidinic :
Arnoldo09 : [... ]The line in the junior ranking is already ridiculous too
Eho! Just because you can't get one doesn't mean you should denigrate these lines

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Nicc |

10 month ago
Arnoldo09 :
Blagoje Vidinic :
Arnoldo09 : [... ]The line in the junior ranking is ridiculous too
Eho! Just because you can't get one doesn't mean you should denigrate these lines

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Dino_ |

10 month ago
Nicc :
Arnoldo09 :
Blagoje Vidinic :
Arnoldo09 : [... ]The line in the junior ranking is ridiculous too
Eho! Just because you can't get one doesn't mean you should denigrate these lines

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leakcim58 |

10 month ago

I completely agree with tazz. And I would add that, given that the "sister" associations cannot claim to be in the top flight, put them in a separate and unique division (so that they can play for something). So that the small associations can show their faces officially, and so that you don't have to read between the lines, that such and such an association, which is in second place in d2, moves up to d1.


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Drezzo35 |

10 month ago
leakcim58 : I completely agree with tazz. And I would add that, given that the "sister" associations cannot claim to be in the top flight, put them in a separate and unique division (so that they can play for something). So that the small associations can show their faces officially and so that you don't have to read between the lines, that such and such an association finishing in second place in d2 moves up to d1
It's always the fault of the big clubs and their sister clubs, as usual 🤭🤡

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leakcim58 |

10 month ago
[Drezzo35]
leakcim58 : I completely agree with tazz. And I would add that given that the "sister" associations cannot claim to be in the top flight, put them in a separate and unique division (so that they can play for something). So that the small agreements can show the end of their nose officially and not to read between the lines, that such an agreement finished ème of d2 goes up in d1.
C'est toi qui le dit. I'm just saying that the reserves don't actually move up to Ligue 2.
It's still and always the fault of the big clubs and their sister clubs as usual 🤭🤡[/quote]

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Dino_ |

10 month ago
[I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do that, but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do that. And I would add that, given that the "sister" associations cannot claim to be in the top flight, put them in a separate and unique division (so that they can play for something). So that the small agreements can show the end of their nose officially and not to read between the lines, that such an agreement finished ème of d2 goes up in d1.[/quote]
C'est toi qui le dit. I'm just saying that the reserves don't actually move up to Ligue 2.
C'est encore et tjs là faute des grosses ententes et leurs ententes sœurs comme d'habitude 🤭🤡[/quote][/quote]
In the Netherlands if 😂😂

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kiki-sainté |

10 month ago

It would be a good idea for the nwo to have the list of winners from the d4 title 2 seasons ago 🙂 good idea
On the other hand, the idea of making a special reserve division including all the sister agreements is not a bad idea when you see the lack of clarity in div2
I think that the 6th or 7th place in div2 has moved up to div 1
After that there is a level in div 2 with the reserve agreements, being a small agreement created 2 seasons ago we managed to climb into div 2 in 2 seasons starting from div 4 but this season I see the difference even if last season we finished 3rd in div 3 and had already climbed up
Knowing that before (at the time of the dinosaurs) the 2 agreements were for the trainers for the majority, this evolved now the 2 are as competitive as the 1 for the majority a hair lower and the 3 agreements took the relay of the training, in a few seasons we risk to find ourselves with 3 competitive agreements whereas they are sister agreements
So knowing that they won't be able to move up to div1, it will be the 12th that moves up to div1, so we need to stop now or else ban the 3 in div 2 but that's just putting off the deadline for another 30 seasons
The new division (division entente soeur) would be the best thing from my point of view (I give the air to you cognac jay😁😁😁)


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leakcim58 |

10 month ago

Thanks kiki. I couldn't have said it better myself. We see eye to eye.


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Drezzo35 |

10 month ago

Personally, I'm having trouble
Ok we remove the sister agreements of D2, so the 4,5 and 6th will finish 1,2 and 3rd (so far so good lol)
But I don't see how that will make them stronger or more competitive for D1?!!! And on the contrary I think having opponents like the sister agreements in D2 prepares you for D1! It's no coincidence that the D2 podium has been CP2, LR2 and LV2 for a whole bunch of seasons now. And with one or two exceptions, the teams that go up to D1 very often go back down the following season.
As far as I'm concerned, we're trying to displace a false problem, because removing the sister associations from D2 is not the solution to your problem 😉👍


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leakcim58 |

10 month ago
Drezzo35 : I'm having trouble personally
Ok we remove the sister agreements of D2, so the 4,5 and 6th will finish 1,2 and 3rd (so far so good lol)
But I don't see how that will make them stronger or more competitive for D1?!!! And on the contrary I think having opponents like the sister agreements in D2 prepares you for D1! It's no coincidence that the D2 podium has been CP2, LR2 and LV2 for a whole bunch of seasons now. And with one or two exceptions, the teams that go up to D1 very often go back down the following season.
As far as I'm concerned, we're trying to move a false problem, because removing the sister associations from D2 is not the solution to your problem 😉👍
Would you have a problem if the sister teams played in a d2 bis? For a reserve league title?

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Drezzo35 |

10 month ago

I don't see the point
Especially as there aren't enough of us and it'll be the same problem as in D2! Lr, cp and LV will take everything!


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leakcim58 |

10 month ago
[Drezzo35]I don't see the point
Especially as there aren't enough of us and it'll be the same problem as in D2! Lr, cp and LV are going to steal everything[/quote]

Ok. We won't agree on this part of the discussion.

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kiki-sainté |

10 month ago

In France, there has to be a 2-division gap between the first team and the 2nd
Après j'ai dit plus haut que c'est un vrai problème, vous dites que c'est pas un problème car vous faites partis de ces ententes avec les ententes sœurs, je pense dans notre cas vous aurait trouvé comme nous pas ça normal, à l'époque que j'étais à la rtg j'étais contre que la rtg 2 descendent mais j'ai changé d'avis car je suis de l'autre côté maintenant dans une entente seul et croyez moi je vois maintenant que c'est un réel problème


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Vince4657 |

10 month ago

I'm more in favour of rewarding the title in each division with a line in the prize list. That would show that vf is not just about D1.

On the other hand, I still have a bit of trouble with the lawsuit against sister associations, which are often put in a 'separate box'.
Just like the other cartels, they exist and are part of the VF landscape. Some of them have been in existence for dozens of seasons and have a strong sense of belonging, with a mix of young and old clubs, armed teams, others in training, others rebuilding or taking a break.

On the contrary, I think that in D2, they add value by offering competition and high-stakes matches, and help to raise the level of the division. Putting them in a special division would lower the standard of D2 and widen the gap with D1.

With a medium- to long-term plan (patience is the watchword at vf, CP have waited many years, not 3-4 seasons, to win titles), organisation and observation, it's easy to compete with them for a place on the podium. La Sweet is a perfect example of this.
There aren't just monster teams in the sister associations, which also (at least for the CP) want as many clubs as possible to take part in the IE campaign each season, including small and medium-sized clubs. For the last 3 seasons, we have had 20-25 CP2 members who have picked up at least one IE point.
So there's plenty of room for everyone, and rest assured that this season the FYM is going to get everyone to agree on the D2 title ^^


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