Hello,

There seems to be a bug in the CDF. In the CDF, it is possible to change a player's position (rather than learn a new position) for a loss of one potential point (but a bonus of two points in a given category).

For example: an MDC with a potential of 80 can learn the DFC position by moving up to 79 but with +2 in defence. Several apprenticeships can be carried out, in fact moving up to 75 in potential with a total of 10 bonus points elsewhere.

So far, so good, but the problem is that when you take a player out of the DFC, the player's lead is no longer based on his new potential (75) but on his previous potential (80). Basically, you can have body-built players with a huge lead because it's combined with points bonuses.

If you take a player out at around 19/20 years of age, you'll have a fairly huge advantage by learning all the positions at the CDF, with no quid pro quo.

There's undoubtedly something to be reviewed before this becomes the norm.

Have a good day,

Galy

I don't know if it's been checked, but what's the point of having a striker who, for example, has +2 in goalkeeping or +2 in defence and even if you make a reallocation he'll lose 4 or 5 points.
I don't know if there's a bug, but if there is, the impact seems almost non-existent.
Do you have an example of a player who would be, as you say, body-built?

It's true that a +2 keeper won't help. In reality, it's more a question of defence, attack or passing.

Yes, I can find example players

Z. Kartushov

But here the bug really seems to be that the points at the youngster's release (without the bonus points) don't seem to be calibrated for the new potential but for the original one. As a result, the players have quite a huge head start compared with similar players who have been released conventionally.

In comparison :

H. Zoundi

In fact, it's quite abusive, and it would be nice if this could be sorted out quickly before we have thousands of overcheated players...

M. Beslic
+14 for him, not bad, he's building a full team 🙃

I had taken out my MD just after the +2 arrived but just had the 2 supp side posts learned but if I had known I would have made 2 more.

it remains to be seen whether this is considered a fault, normal or otherwise

of course it's a flaw, the guy's +15 ahead, don't mess around ...

Then he has no stamina 😂😂
It's worthless 🤣🤣

Dissolution of Cercle and RTG to begin with^^

Hello, I'm going to respond as President of RTG (and former anti-cheat admin).

The first thing I'd like to say, as Galy pointed out, is that no loopholes have been exploited. Players just learn positions via the training centre, and that's it. Anyone can do that in their own cdf.

The second is that Aymeric changed the bonus points awarded for learning positions about halfway through the season. He went from +1 to +2. Why did he do this? Why? How? I don't know how. He didn't say. It would seem that he's already gone backwards a bit, since now only the first position learned would bring +2 (to be verified though).

The third, and most important point for me, is that as soon as Aymeric introduced position learning in the training centres, which I think was about a year and a half ago, players didn't lose any points when learning positions! I pointed this out right from the start, publicly, on the forum. No feedback. Then Aguado made another post a few months later, and there was no response. In the meantime, I've talked about it freely with people in my agreement, and with other people outside my agreement, who will recognise themselves and who can confirm what I've said if they wish.

I would therefore advise everyone to tone down their comments on the subject at hand. There is indeed a subject that deserves to be discussed if you wish. But there's no cheating, just people (including me) looking at cdf releases and drawing conclusions about the best options for making their own releases. All my releases for over a year have been done with 2 or 3 called stations. Anyone can do it. It doesn't use a bot, a programme or a vulnerability. Just an analysis of what exists on VF. If you want to take advantage of our analyses, RTG is recruiting.

Enjoy the game.

#forum?topic=166093&date=1725636656

To illustrate my point, here is the post, dated 6 September 2024, where I point out that there is no loss on learning posts in the cdf.

Thank you half,

I'd like to add that talking about "body-built" players is totally untrue.

At the same time, Aymeric has lowered the endu for 17 - 18 -19 year olds by 1 to 2 points compared to previous seasons.

He has also slightly reduced the number of points for late exits.
So, if there is a new meta, you should know that the level of the top players benefiting from this meta will hardly be at the level of players from previous seasons.

Have a nice day!

The information was passed on to A45 on 14/02/2026.
He has since made adjustments, knowing that he was asked whether this was a bug or a flaw.

As long as you communicate respectfully, I'll let you talk about the subject unless you want to do so in the community section.

The bug option is still valid, but has since been corrected.

Thank you Socrate for your feedback. You've confirmed that Aymeric has gone back a bit, thank you. After that, if that wasn't what he wanted from the start, he shouldn't have hesitated to read my message of 6 September 2024, and to reply or adjust it at that point. Or when Aguado raised the subject again in December 2024, I think.

If it's been corrected a little, that's good.

Now, what you mention in your post of 2024 should also be corrected.

Present, I talked about it with you Demi when the "+2" were changed... I even asked an admin in a "ps:" PM if he was aware of the CdF change... I didn't get any feedback (logical at the time of the PM)... anyway...

The concern about learning the position has been there for a while, yes... but then, the fact that it's being abused outrageously isn't a bug, it's a concern about ethics for my taste... but if it becomes the norm, well, "Fire!

Sora, I looked this morning at a "normal" 82pot 18-year-old player, who will have 178pts at the end of training without endu, taking into account the pts to be taken and those of the exit... in comparison, an 18-year-old with 4 position apprenticeships, therefore pot78, will have 183 without endu... I don't think I made a mistake in the calculation... my apologies if that's the case...

Then, so as not to put everything on the RTG (because I wasn't aiming for agreement), there's also V. Ramonzadeh ... there must be others... and above all, I think there will be more and more ^^

That's all from me, take care ++!

It's definitely a bug, you get the points for the position changes + an output based on the old potential to get +15Ng ahead.
Was the point of learning the positions in the cdf to have your cake and eat it too? No.
I don't understand how anyone can think that's normal and say it's fair.

Abused these players, well done to those who found the trick.
We'll have to see if it's really fixed or if we all have to get involved 😅

After RTG can have 200 boosted players, they'll still stay behind. Bloody communists 🤣❤️

Sorry, I'm out 😘

To my great displeasure, I've noticed that the players mentioned in this topic have had their progress manually retouched by someone who clearly doesn't know how VF's training centre releases work.

Because you can't fix a bug by doing it unfairly, I'm at the disposal of the administrators or Aymeric if they wish to make a "fair" readjustment to these players, i.e. a readjustment in line with all training centre releases since September 2024. I look forward to hearing from them.

After regressing all the players who were ahead of their progress status (negating the benefit of months of game time optimisation), I'm no longer surprised by anything. 🦊

It's funny how some bugs can be fixed, while others (savage regression of 25-26 years or more) have remained without any real response (or action) :)

I've had a look at the examples of players mentioned.
The advantage doesn't seem obvious to me. Some of them give the impression of having more of an edge, but you have to ask yourself in relation to what, whether it's with a lower NG or their original NG. And those who give examples of players, have they checked with the owner to see what the original potential was?

For example, the player who is cited first as a so-called bodybuilder: F. Staudecker
He'll never be a top player !!!! or else I don't know how to add things up :) :) :)

Yes, it's true that these constant changes make it impossible to plan training.
It's a bit of a shame that most of the new features (in this case, the position apprenticeships) are thrown in without being tested beforehand, because obviously some clever little bastards slip through the cracks and then there are regulations that come out of nowhere, sometimes followed by counter-regulations.

Nowadays, no one can say with certainty that it's a good deal to release a player at 17, 18 or 19, and whether it's better at the start of the season or at the end, because today's truth is not the same as yesterday's, and certainly not tomorrow's either.

I like stories on vf, it's never boring, maybe that's why I'm still here.

Popcorn

Hello
There was a bug with the job training via the CDF. Thanks to those who reported it.
We're going to restore all the players affected, but it's going to take a little time.

1 and a half years to worry about it
If we really have to go back that far, we'll all be in an ehpad!

Honestly, if the players were that strong, the VF community would have been crying for a long time.
There's no need to go back 2 years, we just need to bring the last players who were affected by the +2 change up to a decent level so that no-one feels cheated.

And I also propose sanctioning managers 😊

It's up to the admins to make the changes.

There are always charitable souls to find players (I'm willing to help if needed) after the admi will have to work hard behind.

Assuming that all the players who benefited from this can really be identified, I see a profound injustice in this 'announced cut', which is simply due to the fact that many of these players are now at clubs that bought the 'boosted' player (certainly at a high price).

So in the end, the club that will be penalised will be the innocent buyer, who will end up with a player no longer worth the price he paid, while the 'manipulative' seller will keep the fruits of his sale.

So if the players concerned are really identifiable, it's not a question of cutting down on the players but of imposing a heavy fine on the seller, and in this case the 'profiteering' clubs are identifiable because the name of the training club associated with the player is assumed.

Because as it stands, I see a plan on the horizon that risks being seriously unfair by hitting the innocent and sparing the guilty.

And again the mina rambling with his old refrain 😂
Still inclined to comment without having read or understood anything 🤣🤣
...bug not reported... the gentleman above tells you that it was reported in 2024, and other times... needs a drawing with?
As for the acronym that's bothering you, there's what, 2 players, 3 players? Oh dear. And again, I thought I read that it was following a conversation with Demi who didn't hesitate to explain the principle. Having just pointed it out.

🤙

"Because now, as announced, I see on the horizon a reduction that risks being seriously unfair by hitting the innocent and sparing the truly guilty".

At fault for what, Einstein? Taking players out of training centres and teaching them positions? I've done it, others have done it, and I've explained how it works to certain people who ask me about it or with whom I discuss player training. As mentioned above, I've even said so on the forum. And if you're interested, I'm going to look up Aguado's contribution, which says the same thing.

At the end of the day it's not a mistake to understand how a new feature introduced by Aymeric works. Or maybe I'm missing something.

It's quite funny to see that half of the people involved don't know what it's about, or the proportions it can take.

The reality is that this is a game, and everyone wants to be the best. There are several methods:

-those who cheat by manipulating the source code, follow my lead 👀

• Then there are those who look at the little updates Aymeric makes frequently, and have fun calculating what makes it possible to be at the top.

In any game we'd talk about 'meta' to designate these changes that allow the people who put in the most effort to always be at the top.

At the moment, there are several ways of accessing the very best, apart from the 99NGs, but the gap between these players is immense:

• purchases by 28-year-olds 20-30 points higher than current youngsters, among those returning to the game

• buying the best 17/18/19 year-olds, who are in a catastrophic state (195 points all told, while 300 points still exist!)

• buy the 205-10 points that aymeric spots on new clubs and reallocate them (€€€€€)

• access to the best players in the store (200-205 points)

For the last 2 years IRL, Aymeric has done nothing but lower the level of young players that managers take the time to train. In fact, he did it again yesterday, with the 18-year-olds coming out even weaker than before.

I imagine that some people will be moved by this? Well, no.
But the 17/18/19 year olds of today will have the same gap as the 23/24 year olds with the 99 year olds of 30+.

A lot of managers are looking forward to seeing these 99s leave the game to enjoy something more balanced. But they may soon be disappointed.

In short, all that to say that witch-hunting managers who pay attention to every little change is absolutely ridiculous. Especially when these small optimisations don't jeopardise the fairness of the game over several years, as is the case with the current 99s at the end of the generation.

Aymeric, if you're reading this, making micro-changes is very much to be appreciated. We're looking for variables other than just clicking on "launch a collective training session" on a high-potential player to train a youngster.

Thank you, Aymeric!

Twenty or thirty days ago, Aymeric DELIBERATELY CHOSEN to increase the number of points he learnt in the training centre from +1 to +2.

Why did he do this? I don't know why. But don't hesitate to ask him. What's certain is that it's as a result of this that the subject is suddenly of interest and brings us to today's psychodrama.

Apart from that, he hasn't touched a thing since September 2024 about learning posts in training centres. So if there is a bug, when do you think it dates back to?

And on Sunday, he moved from +2 to +1 from the second position.

This psychodrama is a storm in a teapot.