Hello everyone,

I'm following up on what's been going on over the last few days, and on a few points made here and there by some people that don't seem to be bad ideas.

The last few days have shown just how difficult it is to be an admin. They already have a lot of work to do (on a voluntary basis, as I'd like to point out) and when certain situations have to be judged, it puts them in a bad position.

Quite simply, certain sanctions should no longer be taken by them. This would allow them to retain their legitimacy and impartiality in current cases.

The idea is therefore to set up a council (number of people to be determined, why not 8?), which would change each season depending on the top 8 in div1 (the others also have their say and there's no desire to dismiss them).

The 8 agreements would then appoint an elected representative for the season.

Chaired by a member of the admins, who will have no voting rights, the council will take place according to the number of subjects to be dealt with (every week? two weeks?...) The admin who chairs the council will state the facts, and the 8 representatives will vote.

It may be necessary to adapt a few sanctions (perhaps a 1-week ban if serious misconduct is proven) so that the council can take place. It's certainly not suitable for all cases, it's a rough draft and I think the community can come up with some good ideas when it takes a step back from situations like this, which encroach on much more than the game itself.

Any suggestions? :)

@aymeric45

I've seen a number of proposals in a similar vein since yesterday.

Jeff indicated his volunteer workload on his resignation topic. In view of these elements, we're short one or two anti-cheating admins (not counting the resignations) and a bug admin, because it's been a while since I've seen Blagoje give us a competition report.

But adding X councils or Y assemblies... sorry, but to me it looks like a Teodule committee. All the hoopla over the last few days doesn't give me much cause for optimism about our individual and collective ability to communicate.

It's clear that adding a board of admins is a never-ending trick for a game like vf, where on windy days there may be 2,000 active players.
And if one day the board makes a decision that isn't approved by part of the community, we're proposing to create a super board that will oversee the opinions of the existing board.
All these proposals are starting to sound like brain torture, even if they're well-intentioned.

Lebaygue: C est clair que rajouter un conseil aux admins,c est un truc sans fin pour un jeu comme vf ou y a les jours de vent dans le dos peut être 2000 actifs.
Et si un jour le conseil rend une décision non approuvée par une partie de la commu,on propose de créer un super conseil qui supervisera les avis du conseil existant.
Ça commence a devenir de la torture de cervelet toutes les propositions même si ça part d un bon sentiment.

I'm going to wait for the super mega grandiose committee to apply 😁😁😁

I think that too many anti-cheating administrators would be bad because there's too much disagreement between them, and that always leads to bias.
No more than 6 for me

I don't think that's necessary. 4/5 admins like now is more than enough. Just maybe make sure that we really take advantage of this number to step aside when colleagues with whom we agree are concerned, to avoid any ambiguity (however unfounded it may be).

I had proposed something similar in the topic on regen players, the possibility of appealing to a sanction, with a group of managers selected randomly every 2 weeks (or more to see), players registered for 6 months and active over the last 2 weeks.

To get round the risk of 'impartiality' on the part of the modos (although this has yet to be proven), the idea was that as soon as they saw a dubious transfer or a less-than-courteous message, a penalty would systematically be imposed. The offending player can appeal.

Then, with 1 modo and 4-5 players chosen at random, every 2 weeks or once a month, we'd look at the appeals and create a body of 'case law' (which would also make it possible to update the rules).

So yes, it wastes the modo's time, but it saves time on penalties. They see, they type, and there's no need to worry about feelings as there's the possibility of having a 'documented' appeal.

Nice idea, and it had existed in the past, albeit in a particular style. But against the idea, because it would only create tensions between irreconcilable agreements or people. Finally, it would lengthen the time it takes to make decisions.

We need to have complete confidence in the directors. I would be more in favour of the idea of increasing their number, as required.

Have a good game.

Obviously there's dissension between the admins, so adding this kind of committee is a bad idea in my opinion.

On the other hand, I think it would be a really good idea for all admins (whatever their position) to be part of the #entente?eid=2 agreement.

In theory, a game admin shouldn't be a club that plays the game (I'm not saying that admins are dishonest) but obviously this puts them at odds.

Unfortunately, it would seem that the game's creator doesn't have the means to manage the administrative (cheating, etc.) or technical (identifying bugs and loopholes, etc.) side of the game on his own, nor does he have the means to appoint an admin (paid or unpaid?) from outside the game.

So the only way to avoid what is happening at the moment (and which has already happened several times in the past) would be for the prerequisite for accepting to be appointed admin to be to renounce his current agreement and join the Saint-Maurice agreement.

It seems to me that the survival of the game, or at least the peaceful survival of the game, is at stake.

myforsans: Manifestement il y a des dissensions entre les admins alors rajouter ce genre de comité est selon moi une fausse bonne idée.

Par contre ce qui me semblerait une vraie bonne idée c'est que tous les admins (quelle que soit leur fonction) fasse partie de l'entente #entente?eid=2

En théorie un admin du jeu ne devrait pas être un club qui y joue (en disant ça je ne prétends pas que les admins soient malhonnêtes) mais manifestement ça les met en porte-à-faux.

Malheureu...

We need the return of the best admin of all time. Me, of course! No better proposal.