Hi ,
i see that for some time it is possible to cancel a loan of a player manually. For example if someone lends me his player I can cancel the loan at any time.
My question now is whether it is allowed to lend your player to someone for a match and ask the borrowing club to cancel the loan just after the match. Because I've seen someone do it.
Y. Krier example of a player who played two games yesterday and returned to his club after the match.

So I wanted to know if it's legal before possibly loaning my players to a member and calling them back just after the match.

Thanks

So does that mean a 6th change? If so... we'll be talking about a flaw that needs to be corrected by aymeric, and if not, we'll be opening the door to clever people

Raito: Dc ça engendre un 6eme changement? Si oui... on parlera d'une faille doit être corrigé par aymeric si non on aura une porte ouverte aux malins

It's an additional change if a player who's playing a match is loaned out to another club in the middle of a match. But this is different, it's something else...

Wow.
Can we really call back the next day?

Yes, that doesn't mean a 6th change in the match

It's just that the player on loan took part in 2 matches on the same day with 2 different clubs
While we're waiting to see the admins' response, it still seems a bit abnormal but if it's possible then there will certainly be a lot of loans of this kind 😅 given that we can have 6 players on loan...

Example: a club is playing for a title and needs 4 to 6 players to strengthen its squad, it calls on several loan players to strengthen its squad and after the match the loan players go back to their respective clubs?
That seems a bit extreme and of course it's just an example to show the consequences it can have over one or two matches

Hi everyone, we're going to ask Aymeric for all the information, because normally a player is blocked for 3 days with a manager when he's on loan.
We'll get back to you.

I actually suggested it before
There must be the player's arrival and checks when he is transferred.
He should not participate in the match at the same time after the transfer and the loan. Some delay can be added. Can you hire a private jet, bus or taxi?
Here it looks like the same player has attended two matches.

AmirAll: I actually suggested it before
There must be the player's arrival and checks when he is transferred.
He should not participate in the match at the same time after the transfer and the loan. Some delay can be added. Can you hire a private jet, bus or taxi?
Here it looks like the same player has attended two matches.

And what do you do if he plays for the federation/selection? Another bad idea.

Arazosv: Et comment tu fais dans le cas où il joue en fédération/sélection ? Encore une mauvaise idée..

They already have a better system than loan/transfer.
It would be a mistake to put them in the same category.

Great

But then, and this is probably a stupid question, making 6 changes in a match instead of the 5 that were supposed to correspond to the use of a loophole and the match should be won by the opponent who played by the rules?
Because we all know that it's 5 changes and not 6. Especially as we have the indication (e.g. 3/5 if I made 3 changes). I can hear without any problem that the game has encountered some bugs very recently, but we're supposed to respect the rules, aren't we (as with xp for example, or infinite training not so long ago).
I'm curious to hear what the admin team and/or Aymeric have to say about the use of this flaw, as Jeff said.
In the meantime, enjoy the game!

Lolo7: Mais du coup, question sûrement bête, mais faire 6 changements sur un match au lieu des 5 prévus, ça correspond à l'utilisation d'une faille et le match devrait être donner vainqueur à l'adversaire étant resté réglo ?
Parce que bon en soit on sait tous que c'est 5 changements et non 6. D'autant plus que l'on a l'indication (exemple 3/5 si j'ai fais 3 changements). Je peux entendre sans aucun problème que le jeu a rencontré certains bugs très récemment mais nous sommes censés respe

I asked to lose this match and gave the points to my opponent.

I then sent him a message saying that I wasn't going to touch anything else because I'd realised my mistake.

There's no point in starting to insinuate that the admins are going to protect or something because I'm LR.

For fuck's sake, this is a game, it's like you're all playing for your lives, I can understand why some people are fed up with this mentality.

Aguado: J’ai demandé à perdre ce match et a donné les points à mon adversaire.

Je l’ai d’ailleurs mp dans la foulée en disant que je ne touchais plus à rien car je m’étais rendu compte de mon erreur.

Ça sert à rien de commencer à insinuer que les admins vont protéger ou autre parce que je suis LR.

Bordel de merde, on est sur un jeu, on dirait que vous jouez votre vie tous, je comprends que certains en aient ras le bol de cette mentalité.

Great of you to have done it.
As for what you said about the admins protecting the lr, I can't see where you saw that. I simply said that I was waiting for them to get back to me about this situation, which apparently arose as a result of a bug (?). Given that they fix recent bugs (reference to Socrate's message, I think), I'm just wondering whether they include this sort of thing or not, given that the match has already been played.
So there's no point in getting worked up or anything when there's nothing there, that gets on my nerves about this game too 😅
Anyway, if I'd wanted to accuse you or anyone else I'd have spun things differently, so once again well done to you for asking to lose the game, not everyone would have done it 👍

Good game to all.

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For the moment, we're looking at what exactly happened, and you should know that if the display on vf shows 4/5, the error is human and if it's a clumsy mistake, the change is made quickly to arrive at 5/5,
we're gathering all the information from Aguado, which I'll pass on to morten and blue so that he can make the final decision (LR admins don't take a position when LR is involved)

At first sight there is a bug on the immediate loan return, Aymeric has been informed.
Just like the fact that Aguado was able to accept this loan request that was there for a few hours ..

Jeff I believe that fixing this anomaly/failure. Will solve the problem and calm everyone down.

Except we choose our words if we post to leave this game clean no "disrespectful" words
Courage managers continuons l'histoire 😉

Thank you for your feedback and this information. I don't see the problem if you (lr admins) rule on a subject related to lr. As for Blue si on LV, etc.. I don't see the problem if you (lr admins) rule on a subject related to the lr, as with Blue if on LV, etc. Morten has done this for seasons and seasons with no worries, so I can imagine that you are in good intelligence to be neutral, whether positive or negative. But that's not the point and I understand why you're making this laudable choice and it's surely best for everyone.

It's a human error.
Maybe he didn't think it through at the time, but he signalled it by PM anyway
But there was something else too... The player who played 2 IEs on the same evening, on loan and again on the same day, isn't that a flaw?
( I don't know if it's allowed or not )

Maybe the changes were marked 3/5 and he just stupidly made two changes without thinking..

Akram: L'erreur est humaine..
Peut être qu'il n'as pas eu de réflexion sur le coup mais il as signale par MP quand même
Mais, y as eu autre chose aussi.. Le joueur qui as joué 2 IE la même soiré prêté et repris le même jours c'est pas une faille?
( J'ignore si c'est autorisé où pas )

Not a flaw, he arrived at the other club without having his form reset, not everything is a flaw!
So if I lend you a player who has played, how long do you wait to play him again? If his form on arrival allows it, why not play him straight away?

Jeffus tuchuss: Une faille non , il est arrivé dans l’autre club sans avoir de reset de sa forme , tout n’est pas faille !
Donc si je te prête un joueur qui a joué tu attends combien de temps pour le refaire jouer ?! Si sa forme à son arrivée le permet pourquoi s’en privé de le faire jouer direct ?

Perhaps the word fault is misplaced, yes, I'm having trouble expressing it, but what I mean is that loaning out a player to play a match and then getting him back (no matter how good he looks) is fesable?

Alexandre67310: Peut être qu’il y avait marqué 3/5 dans les changements et qu’il a simplement fait bêtement deux changements sans réfléchir…

Still, it's easier to point the finger. And then there's Aguado, so the fact that he's not losing is a flaw in itself.

He didn't get it back, it was the other manager who sent it back after his ie ... a test that will no doubt help the game evolve!

It would be good to talk about the money loaned to certain clubs every season by the cartels and that these clubs never repay the loans. For example, I know a manager who has received more than 100 million from his agreement over several seasons and he still hasn't paid back a penny. That's not playing fair with other managers who respect the rules. When will there be sanctions for cartels and managers who don't respect the rules?

Aguado: J’ai demandé à perdre ce match et a donné les points à mon adversaire.

Je l’ai d’ailleurs mp dans la foulée en disant que je ne touchais plus à rien car je m’étais rendu compte de mon erreur.

Ça sert à rien de commencer à insinuer que les admins vont protéger ou autre parce que je suis LR.

Bordel de merde, on est sur un jeu, on dirait que vous jouez votre vie tous, je comprends que certains en aient ras le bol de cette mentalité.

Oh no, it was me who sent you a message afterwards to tell you about your 6th change and you replied: "Oh, sorry, I don't know what happened, I made 6 changes without realising anything... I hadn't seen it so I'm not touching anything else Except that, at the time, you were in the middle of a right-sided attack. But you went straight away to make a full attack down the middle and your 3rd attack had an impact. Let's tell the facts as they are 😉 admins can check if they like

Jeffus tuchuss: Il l’a pas récupéré c’est l’autre manager qui l’a renvoyer après son ie … un test qui fera évoluer le jeu sans doute !

So, in the meantime, before Aymeric's return, can we do the same or is that forbidden? That was the question. Thank you

Lahi: Ah non, c'est moi qui t'ai envoyé un message dans la foulée pour te signaler ton 6e changement et tu réponds : "Oh, désolé, je ne sais pas ce qu'il s'est passé, j'ai fait 6 changements sans rien capter... je n'avais pas vu donc je ne touche plus à rien." Sauf qu'à ce moment-là, tu étais en pleine attaque côté droit. Mais tu es allé sur le champ faire une pleine attaque dans l'axe et ta 3e attaque a eu un impact. Disons les faits tels qu'ils sont 😉 les admins peuvent vérifier s'i

I hope there are seconds because our messages crossed by 1/2 second... and the change had been made at the same time as the replacement... once the message was made, I went straight to bug and sent a message on the LR Discord to warn you of my blunder so please..

Lahi: Ah non, c'est moi qui t'ai envoyé un message dans la foulée pour te signaler ton 6e changement et tu réponds : "Oh, désolé, je ne sais pas ce qu'il s'est passé, j'ai fait 6 changements sans rien capter... je n'avais pas vu donc je ne touche plus à rien." Sauf qu'à ce moment-là, tu étais en pleine attaque côté droit. Mais tu es allé sur le champ faire une pleine attaque dans l'axe et ta 3e attaque a eu un impact. Disons les faits tels qu'ils sont 😉 les admins peuvent vérifier s'i

What's more, take a look at my stats at the end of the match... you'll see that I didn't attack at all where I could have hurt, I just stood still..

Lahi: Donc, en attendant, avant le retour de Aymeric on peut faire pareil aussi ou c'est interdit ? C'était ça la question . Merci

I confirm, I'm going to get a loan placement marker for our match in that case! 😋

Aguado: J’espère bien qu’il peut y avoir les secondes car nos messages se sont croisés de 1/2 seconde… et le changement avait été fait en même temps que le remplacement… une fois le message fait, je suis aller dans bug directement et j’ai envoyé un message sur le Discord de la LR pour prévenir de ma bourde donc s’il te plaît… ;)

Agreed

Aguado: De plus regarde mes stats de fin de match… tu verras que je n’attaque absolument pas là où je pourrais faire mal, je suis resté immobile…

You're right.

Tazz26: Je confirme, je vais me faire prêter un marqueur placement pour notre match dans ce cas ! 😋

A good way to counter any style in a match: for example, I play a full crea team, I ask a member who has technical MDCs ( mdc provoke) to lend me some and at the end of the match, I press the "cancel transfer" button so they go back to their club.
let's hope for an answer before the start of the match, so you can have the placement marking, even if I know you're bluffing 😀

For the history of the fast loan of player currently nothing is prohibited nor auccune rule appears in the rules being able to sanction this practice.
I've asked Aymeric via the admin channel to sort out this practice and make sure it's no longer possible, or improve it - he'll decide.
For the 6th replacement, he must also intervene so that it's no longer possible.

The decision taken for this match is to add +2 to the AFU and -1 to the LR.
Remember that it's easier to mp an admin than to post on the vforum..

Well done Jeff... a good decision
And I think that settles it.
Good luck to all managers

Tazz26: Je confirme, je vais me faire prêter un marqueur placement pour notre match dans ce cas ! 😋

Don't hesitate to ask me for my tazz 😘

micka63: N’hésite surtout pas à me demander mon tazz 😘

I'll PM you at 3.55pm! 😂

Tazz26: Je te MP a 15h55 ! 😂

not just having placement marking to get by. You'll have to ask Teddy🤣.
Good game!
To close, thank you.