It seems to me that the tournaments of understandings bring as many points as the official tournaments open to all. In my opinion, this should not be the case because the competition is not the same. In addition, it is not accessible to everyone.

I agree, especially when you register cdf4 to ensure you win 🤡

I denounce the anti-competitive practices of the following organizations/managers: Is(-o-)m(-o-)rphismes FC Tartempion -H- #formation?team&matchs&id=2817334&s=227364 Final against a lvl4 who allows you to win easily => Futsal agreement tournaments should not give points for the JUNIOR ranking @aymeric45

#formation?team&matchs&id=2820672&s=227364 stats 303/0/1 LOL..............

Far be it from me not to correct certain defects in the module, but what is the point of arguing over a very anecdotal CDF record in the sense that we have almost no control over the matches apart from fielding our best youngsters and being lucky?

P.Rodrigues: #formation?team&matchs&id=2820672&s=227364

stats 303/0/1 MDR..............

Please leave your accusations aside..I tried to play for a draw against Tartem and play for the win on penalties by playing very defensively..unfortunately it didn't work out..

iMcCarthy77: Merci de laisser tes accusations de côté ..J'ai tente de jouer le match nul contre Tartem et jouer la gagne aux penaltys en jouant très défensif .. malheureusement c'est pas passe ..

That's also why you did it in the previous match (irony)

Galywat: Loin de moi l'idée de ne pas corriger certains défauts du module, mais où est l'intérêt de s'écharper pour un palmarès des CDF très anecdotique dans le sens où on n'a quasiment aucun contrôle sur les matchs à part aligner nos meilleurs jeunes et avoir de la chance ?

Everyone plays the ranking that attracts them. This is potentially distorted by the unhealthy practices of the cartels. What's more, it's not certain that this was intended at the base (that the cartels' futsal contribute to the ranking).

Not cool your message in view of everyone.

Galywat: Loin de moi l'idée de ne pas corriger certains défauts du module, mais où est l'intérêt de s'écharper pour un palmarès des CDF très anecdotique dans le sens où on n'a quasiment aucun contrôle sur les matchs à part aligner nos meilleurs jeunes et avoir de la chance ?

Yes it's clear! It's minor ^^

Why denigrate this ranking? It exists and there are a few of us who play it. The problem comes from the fact that certain practices and some bugs "distort" this ranking. Of course, Rodrigues' request is clumsily presented because it is biased, but it is nonetheless legitimate: futsal tournaments should not be taken into account for the ranking because they allow for arrangements.

P.Rodrigues: Je dénonce les pratiques anti-concurrentiels des organisations/managers suivants :
#entente?eid=2447

Is(-o-)m(-o-)rphismes
FC Tartempion -H-

#formation?team&matchs&id=2817334&s=227364
Finale contre un lvl4 qui permet de gagner facilement

=> Les tournois d'entente de futsal ne doivent pas

Just a little reminder:

Blagoje Vidinic: Pourquoi dénigrer ce classement ?
Il existe et nous sommes quelques-uns à le jouer.

Le problème vient du fait que certaines pratiques et quelques bugs viennent "fausser" ce classement.

Certes la demande de Rodrigues est maladroitement présentée car à charge mais elle n'en demeure pas moins légitime : les tournois futsal d'entente ne devraient pas être pris compte pour le classement car ils permettent des arrangements.

+1 I also have fun (sometimes) playing this ranking which is a bit of Russian roulette because if some complain about the MDM of senior matches the MDM of matches or rather of results (since we do not manage anything) is even more random. The fact remains that even if this ranking is quite futile and does not represent much, what is denounced here is legitimate (in substance, even if perhaps a little less in the form used). By the way I note that it is quite incredible and almost laughable that for this ranking just for fun some use means not very "Catholic" and totally disproportionate with the real stakes.

Does the championship bring in any financial benefit?

Zeus: Ça rapporte quelque chose financièrement le championnat ?

No, only one line in the top 10

Oh yes, okay!

Winning futsal tournaments brings money, and a lot of it I would say.

Fougch: Gagner des tournois futsal rapporte de l’argent, et beaucoup je dirais

2/3 of the total registration fee for the winner and 1/3 for the runner-up. Which makes 1.05 million and 550k€ for a 16-a-side futsal with 100k€ registration fee. I won a few million when tournaments cost 1 million to create and there were only a handful of us playing them. ^^

Blagoje Vidinic: 2/3 du total des frais d'inscription pour le vainqueur et 1/3 pour le finaliste.
Ce qui fait 1,05 million et 550 k€ pour un futsal à 16 avec 100k€ de frais d'inscription.

J'ai gagné quelques millions quand les tournois coûtaient 1 million à la création et qu'on n'était qu'une poignée à les jouer. ^^

Didn't they take back the millions from you when there was this flaw?? Finally, it ended up telling us that it was one..

I've only been playing futsal tournaments for about ten seasons, the flaw you mention dates back to the very beginning of futsal when it was a free-for-all. I'm talking about four or five seasons ago when tournaments still cost the organizer 1 million (you had to want it!) instead of 100k€, or 250k€ like now, and there were only two or three per week (you had to be on the lookout!).

Blagoje Vidinic: Je ne joue les tournois futsal que depuis une dizaine de saisons, la faille que tu évoques date du tout début des futsal où c'était la foire à la saucisse.

Je parle d'il y a quatre ou cinq saisons quand les tournois coûtaient encore 1 million à l'organisateur (fallait avoir envie !) au lieu de 100k€, ou 250 k€ comme maintenant, et qu'il n'y en avait que deux ou trois par semaine (fallait être à l'affût !).

My bad, I misunderstood! This is the flaw that struck me the most on the CDF! Another era all that 🤣🤣 And yes indeed these tournaments had to be on the lookout when it cost so much!

Dino_: Juste un petit rappel:

On the last 6 pages (=113 finals therefore 226 compositions) of futsal tournaments: NEVER has anyone made stats of 300/0/0 in composition even the lowest levels except level 10, likely to know the system less, have never done that The facts are essentially concrete and stubborn The futsal of the targeted agreement only have the vocation to give points as easily as possible to the targeted club which plays the JUNIORS classification Some like to make the number/figuration

Hello, In a society like VF, freedom of expression is a fundamental right... certainly, but it is important to know the limits of this freedom, particularly with regard to defamation and slander. P. Rodrigues intends to denounce "the anti-competitive practices" of the Hooligans cartel and two of its members because internal futsal tournaments are allegedly organized to allow the FC Tartempion club to easily gain points in the junior rankings. Since P. Rodrigues seems to be able to defame and slander without the rules being applied to him, I would like to clarify the following facts: - since the creation of the internal futsal tournaments, the Hooligans cartel has only organized 5 tournaments in total; - out of the 5 internal futsal tournaments organized this season, my club has won 3; - these 3 victories therefore earned me 30 points; - my club, currently 1st in the junior rankings, has a total of 219 points; - Sporting Clube Portugal, the club of the manager who is undermining the honour of the Hooligans cartel and the reputation of iMc and myself, is currently in 3rd place with 168 points. Arithmetically, it is therefore demonstrated that the current junior rankings are not truncated since they would be the same without the 30 points acquired by my club during internal futsal tournaments. Many clubs belonging to cartels have benefited, in previous seasons and during the current season, from points acquired via these cartel futsal tournaments. This did not seem to bother anyone and certainly not our defaming friend. Nor does it shock Mr. Rodrigues that the public 8-a-side futsal tournaments (which he is particularly fond of) allow you to obtain 10 points in the event of a victory... as many points as a 16-a-side tournament. Although I think that a 16-a-side futsal tournament should earn more points than an 8-a-side tournament, I do not accuse Mr. Rodrigues of anti-competitive practices. The Hooligans cartel does not have to be slandered. Each cartel is free to create the futsal tournaments it wants. Everyone is free to field the team composition they want in futsal. iMc has little experience in futsal and does not have to endure Mr. Rodrigues' slander. If Aymeric (who liked one of P. Rodrigues' posts) is considering changing the way futsal points are awarded, he should do so. If an administrator is considering enforcing the rules on defamation, he should do so too. On that note, good luck to all the clubs competing in the junior rankings.

holla! young people; if you have any denunciations to make, please do so in private, thank you because it is punishable if it is in public but, you have to stay cool :) michbou it's just a reminder of the rules

Dino_: Juste un petit rappel:

LAST REMINDER BEFORE SANCTION (and as he said michbou, if accusation, MP Morten or michbou). Thank you

It's quicker to say that it didn't bother anyone when it was seen by PM to managers regarding this practice.

Don't twist my words... I said that it didn't seem to bother anyone... not that it didn't bother anyone. Not being aware of the PMs sent to admins by third parties on the subject, I would be careful not to assert anything. In past seasons, some clubs have taken full advantage of these points awarded during intra-alliance futsal tournaments to rank well in the junior rankings. The Hooligans alliance had never organized a single one before this season. I am therefore surprised that it, like two of its members, is being targeted by P. Gonzales in such a clumsy way. Only Aymeric can act on the youth module... it's up to him to modify it if he deems it necessary.

• P. Rodrigues

Hello everyone, I allow myself to intervene, with an outside eye, to remove the H from my club name... but, I like to observe when accusations are made! P.Rodrigues, I understand your dismay... you who play this ranking to the full! But at one point you talk about the 300 in defense, 0 in the middle and 1 in attack... ok! But if you look at the other IMC matches during the other futsal tournaments... some at random: - #formation?team&matches&id=2815939&s=227364 - #formation?team&matches&id=2817106&s=227364 - #formation?team&matches&id=2818884&s=227364 You will see that: - He has exactly the same players - The stats are completely different - We cannot control the stats of the youth team matches - As a result, the final match that you are presenting (especially the stats)... is not at the good will of anyone... except the MDM of the CDF... QED - So IMC has always played with said players...

Sorry for the double post! My bad, I was set a trap! When you change the futsal team, it also changes in the old matches (forget my message above). Okay, I'm going out... there's an aperitif ;)

Arazosv: C'est plus rapide à dire que cela n'a gêné personne quand ça a été vu par mp envers les managers concernant cette pratique

It's cheating, so if I understand correctly? If he has arrangements?

I don't understand how we can manage to win or lose a match that we don't manage. I've already played with 2 defenders, 3 midfielders, 3 attackers, it's according to the needs of my players who are not 100% in training. For me, futsal tournaments are just for that. The ranking, yeah, I don't worry about it. I saw that I was in the top 100 anyway, that's already something.

junior: C'est une triche ,du coup si je comprends bien ? Si il as arrangements ?

That's what it implied, and a friend who also practiced two seasons ago stopped afterwards as well.

kiki-sainté: Je ne comprends pas comment on peux s arranger pour gagner ou perdre un match qu on ne gère pas
J ai déjà joué à 2 défenseurs à 3 milieux à 3 attaquants c est selon les besoins de mes joueurs qui ne sont pas à 100% de la formation,pour moi les tournois futsal c est juste pour ça
Le classement mouais bof je m en occupe pas j ai vu que j étais dans le top 100 quand même c est déjà ça

When you play without a striker or a midfielder, you can't win.

Arazosv: Quand tu joues sans attaquant ou sans milieu, tu ne peux pas gagner. De plus commr l'exemple du post, t'inscris des niveaux 4 etc'est gagné d'avance

Yeah but not sure if I'll cash it either, it's a lottery

It's not a lottery in these conditions ;) Positive point for the ranking, the president cannot change the selector to duplicate the daily futsals

Tartempion: * P. Rodrigues

#formation?team&matches&id=2823126&s=415029 We settled our differences on the pitch. The logic was respected

What a joke!

The most impressive thing about this match is to see that there is still a club that keeps all its best players in its training center to win futsal, and that alongside that releases players with potential between 5 and 7 points below.

What impresses me is that Pedro Gonzalez managed to get 5 potential 85 and above players from his junior recruiter... You have to play the lottery here!

And if to close this debate which is taking on extravagant proportions given the futility of the problem we were to remove from the inclusion in the prize list this ranking which, in the state of development of the Cdf matches module, has no meaning. From there, the 2 protagonists who are tearing each other apart here with great lyrical flights would surely calm down very quickly. I speak about it all the more freely because for a few seasons I have been trying to participate for fun in this ranking where the only effort to make is to look every day in a list of match proposals, for easy or supposedly easy prey, given the importance of the randomness in the results, all coupled with ridiculous schemes with fake intra-alliance futisal tournaments.... I also speak about it all the more freely because I have never participated in a single intra-alliance tournament which clearly does not prevent me from being quite well ranked. .....All this to also say that it would be good if the Cdf module was a little more sophisticated both in the training options aspect and (very) incidentally in the management aspect of Cdf matches because if we compare with the extreme sophistication of the tactical options of "senior" matches, there really is a gulf.

myforsans: Et si pour clore ce débat qui prend des proportions extravagantes eu égard à la futilité du problème on supprimait de l'inclusion au palmarès ce classement qui, en l'état du développement du module des matchs de Cdf, n'a aucune signification.

A partir de là, les 2 protagonistes qui s'écharpent ici à coups de grandes envolées lyriques se calmeraient sûrement très rapidement.

J'en parle d'autant plus librement que depuis quelques saisons j'essaie de participer pour le fun à ce cla

That's what "impresses" me the most personally. It's that this totally random thing brings the same line to the prize list as a victory in D1 or a Champions League. We're reaching a big level of WTF there.

I think that most of them don't really do it for the prize list because we have no influence on the game but the financial side which brings in a lot of money.

iMcCarthy77: Je pense que la plupart le font pas vraiment pour le palmarès car on a aucune influence sur le jeu mais le côté financier qui rapporte énormément d'argent

Oh really, I didn't know that intra-alliance futsal tournaments brought in money because I think the daily matches are only 10k per win and the "normal" futsals given the entry fees it's not even easy to balance with the rare times you win. Here's my financial report, I play the matches "as a tourist" even if my rankings are pretty good finishing around 10th place each season behind the 3 or 4 diehards in this ranking! image Since the beginning, the CDF has cost me 130M and brought in 83M: it's not really lucrative :( and at the moment with 3 or 4 futsal tournaments won each season it costs me about as much as it brings me in. But hey it's sure that if the fake intra-alliance futsal tournaments bring in money it's something else but hey, not having any never done I am not aware of it. No I rather think that this ranking is mainly played by clubs lacking a track record with real titles. :) :)

For a more accurate analysis, perhaps you should add to the income of your cdf the selling price and/or the value of your young people from the cdf?

José Mouridiot: Pour une analyse plus juste, peut-être devrais-tu ajouter aux recettes de ton cdf le prix de vente et/ou la valeur de tes jeunes issus du cdf ?

You're going astray, that's absolutely not the point. On the club's financial board to which we have access, that's not what is taken into account.

This table is only the functioning of the CDF so on the expense side: sending the recruiter and registering for futsal tournaments and the cost of weekly maintenance of the CDF
And on the revenue side: the winnings from daily youth matches and futsal tournaments.

What I was saying was to compare with the finances of those who play the bogus intra-entente futsal tournaments of which I don't know if they bring in but if they do they bring in that's where it would bother me a little rather than the question of the derisory points of this rather futile ranking.

But you must have the answer since (it seems) you are accused of multiplying the participations in these bogus tournaments.
So it's up to you to tell all of us (well those who, like me, have never played this type of tournament) if 1°) it costs to register and 2°) if it pays off in case of victory. In short, if there is a financial interest in playing this type of tournament.

Because if so, then indeed it would be a bit embarrassing, much more than the points in the CDF ranking, which no one cares about at all, except for 3 or 4 relentless

We organize internal futsal tournaments every day and it costs nothing to the members and it doesn't bring in anything either. It just allows the youngsters to play and therefore to accelerate their progress in addition to being able to sleep lol

@Myforsan
How could José Moudriot participate in futsal tournaments "bogus" knowing that he has not belonged to any agreement for X seasons?

No, I don't think I'm going astray by saying that you say that your cdf is not lucrative. You come to this conclusion by considering the income/expenditure table of the cdf. I'm simply saying that this table doesn't take into account the revenue from the sales of young people from the CDF or the value of the young people from the CDF that you keep in your squad. In my opinion, the CDF is the most lucrative infrastructure.

Not being part of any agreement, I wonder if you are awake...

The clubs that play in this ranking (and of which I am a member) all have titles (league and/or league cup). Denigrating the junior ranking won't get you anywhere.

And since we're talking about rankings, what do you think of the bogus friendly matches regularly organized between clubs of the same agreement to be well placed in the VF rankings?

This post will at least have had the advantage of making me discover that we could go and see the financial history of the CDF. And above all, that if you take care of it properly, there are ways to save a lot of money!

Thank you for that.

For the rest, it's a bit sad, you should stop there.