Hello,
Everyone has been talking for months and years about the end of NG99 & Co. We're not there yet, but we're getting there, slowly and surely.

But A45, have you prepared the new generation gap that will last for the next xx years?

The youngsters coming out of our CDFs have fewer points ahead of them and less stamina. The 87-90s versus the 78-82s? 🫠

I was hoping for a small increase in the coefficient so that we could try to do 90ng 20 25 endu, but I should have kept my mouth shut....
We've had a drop and, on top of that, a drop in the number of young people coming through the cdf.
It's getting very complicated, to say the least....

There's a bright side though. Those who complained about cheat players can continue to do so for a while, it passes the time and entertains :D

The players who are currently coming out of the cdf have indeed dropped slightly, but there will be less of a gap between the '99 generation and the players who were there a few seasons ago.

grissais's man: Les joueurs qui sortent actuellement du cdf ont effectivement une petite baisse , mais l'écart sera moins grand entre la génération des ng 99 et les joueurs qui sont il y a quelques saisons

That we agree on

grissais's man: Les joueurs qui sortent actuellement du cdf ont effectivement une petite baisse , mais l'écart sera moins grand entre la génération des ng 99 et les joueurs qui sont il y a quelques saisons

Not really grey, we're on the same pattern

grissais's man: Les joueurs qui sortent actuellement du cdf ont effectivement une petite baisse , mais l'écart sera moins grand entre la génération des ng 99 et les joueurs qui sont il y a quelques saisons

Yes, there's a lot less difference in proportion. In the previous generation, we still had quite a few 99 players who were boosted in one or more styles.

There's probably around a 5% difference now, which obviously counts, but it's a bit less brutal, so to speak.

Galywat: Oui beaucoup moins d'écart en proportion. La génération précédente on avait quand même pas mal de joueurs 99 et boostés sur un ou plusieurs styles.

Là on doit avoir pas loin de 5% d'écart, ça compte évidemment mais c'est un peu moins brutal on va dire.

A gap of 20 points over a generation separated by 4 seasons is the same delta as the 33 vs. 30 years of the present.

The 23s are 210 at the top.
The 17-18s coming up will be at 190.

We're on a 10%+ spread, and I'll be doing a recap of the successive changes over the last 18 months later this afternoon.

But as things stand, what's most alarming is the level of trained players vs. store players/creation spot of aymeric (antique player/reallocated).

sora02: Un écart de 20 points sur une génération séparée par 4 saisons c’est le même delta que les 33 vs les 30 ans actuels .

Les 23 c’est 210 au top.
Les 17-18 qui sortent seront à 190.

On est sur 10%+ d’écart, je ferai un recap des changements successifs sur les 18 derniers mois dans l’après midi.

Mais en l’état, ce qui est le plus alarmant c’est le niveau des joueurs formés vs joueurs store/création spot d’aymeric (joueur antique/a reattribué)

Yeah, in fact I was comparing it more with the penultimate generation, which has now disappeared.

On the other hand, I agree with you that the most problematic thing is the gap with the VF store, but maybe that's deliberate :/.

Galywat: Ouais en fait je comparais plus avec l'avant dernière génération aujourd'hui disparue (avec les 99+).

Par contre je te rejoins le plus problématique est l'écart avec le VF store, mais c'est peut-être voulu :/

Not all gone....
The big ldc clubs still have a lot of them....

hazard14: Disparu pas totalement....
Les gros club en ldc en ont encore beaucoup....

Yeah, after that they're already slightly weaker players than before. But yeah, there are still some 99+.

Galywat: Ouais , après ce sont déjà des joueurs un peu moins forts qu'auparavant. Mais ouais il y en a encore quelques 99+

S. Ciscar
Even at 39, he'll still be way ahead of everyone else....
Unfortunately we still have at least 4 5 seasons to struggle for small and medium-sized clubs.

In 10 seasons we'll be playing with 73ng 5 endu at this rate. 😂

That's what VF is all about, and that's the way it's managed by its creator: adding another problem to the previous one rather than solving the problem itself.

And every time, the "fucked" count yourselves!

In fact, it wasn't the level of the old NG 99s coming out of the CDF that turned them into monsters, it was only the training efficiency coefficients that boosted them. And it took half a dozen seasons for these coefficients to be corrected.

And their superiority is further amplified by the fact that the weekly regressions have become symbolic, whereas a few seasons ago it was at least 2 every week. Until they die, they will remain far superior to players who are 5 or 7 years younger.

In short, you can never manage in the long term: it's always a case of shifting the bar to the left to correct an excess, then shifting it to the right because the correction for the excess was excessive, and so on... And that's not even counting the changes made to correct the loopholes that the clever ones jump into as soon as an incompletely tested new feature is put online.

You have to make the best of it, because that's the way it's always been, and accept the game as it is.

Skyz: Dans 10 saisons on jouera avec des 73ng 5 endu à ce rythme. 😂

Grave 😅

So, I'm going to take a look at the current state of training and the level of the players, as the recent updates mean that we've reached a turning point. The idea is that everyone should be able to make up their own minds.
The conclusion will be that, as things stand, we've never been so close to a 'pay to win' situation.

Warning, Caesar's pavé. And no, Avé, I see you Romans!

To start with, I'm going to put things into context, and present each generation on the current game, which will be our point of comparison.

I'm going to talk about points, and the number of points is the total accumulated by a player, all stats included. The number mentioned corresponds to very good players of their age around 24 (end of training).

• In the second half of 2023 (at the end of the year itself) Aymeric opens the floodgates on training gains, a big generation is getting ready, and it's a race for youngsters. Coupled with the fact that high potentials (over 87) are accessible to the training centre, whether it's a recruiter or detection.

At the end of their training, players reach a total of 250-260 points for the top of the range. This generation is known as the '99NG'.

This generation is now 32-33 years old, and is unrivalled. Some turbo cracks can even reach 300 points+ (style players + endu + 99NG).
The blind players are a notch below, whatever the pot.

• June 2024: Aymeric realises that the opening of the floodgates has created monsters, the first significant drop of 10%+ on training winnings. There has also been a drop in the number of high potentials, and the 90+ in training centres are no longer possible, or only in very rare cases.
  This generation remains very solid, the best 29/30 year olds in the world today. The 99NG are not tough, or the 90NG are tough. We're on 235 points for the end of training.

• August 2024: Another drop in training, slightly above 5%, with gains still slightly above the theoretical gain (commonly known as the coef).
  But there's also a drop in the maximum potential of the training centre, from 87 to 85 for the biggest pot obtainable, notably via the recruiter. There will be a wave of U17s with 89s in the autumn, but this is marginal. It seems clear that getting 99s at the end of training will no longer be possible this time, or only in rare cases.
  We'll be looking at around 215-20 points at the end of the course. These are the current 25-28 year-olds.

• From August 2024 to August 2025, Aymeric will keep a low profile, with changes to XP, but he will lower the maximum potential in the training centre in January 2025.
  From 85 via scouts, we're down to 82. 83 points in detection and 84 points in U17 tournaments.
  The U17 tournament means a scarcity of 'big profiles'.
  The 24-year-olds will score around 210 points.

• August 2025: Another change in training, and a drop in XP too. Under-22s get a bit of a slap in the face. Some training gains on the big coef are lower than the theoretical gain.
  We're talking about 200 points (90 NG 13) for this generation.

• December 2025: A small change in the level of players when they leave the training centre, with between 1 and 2 less stamina depending on their age (17-19). The calculation indicates that they should be around 192-5 points at the end of their training for top prospects (84 of potential who are becoming very rare).

• February 2026: Aymeric changes the output level of young players again. A drop of 1 point, again, and above all 3 to 4 points less than the previous season.
  The best 84s are calculated at 190... The average level is around 185 points.

A number of problems have arisen:

• First of all, there was a huge delta between the 99 generation and the 25-28 generation. Mathematically, we're going to feel the same thing between the 23+ generation and today's young people. This will generate even more frustration, and rightly so.

• Increased management difficulties: Changes have always been on the decline over the last 2 years. That's not going to last forever, and some people are really going to feel aggrieved if entire generations have to be thrown out.

• Finally, the last problem I've noticed:
  Aymeric has often mentioned the balance between Store and trained players. I'm not one of those people who rejects the possibility of buying players via CB, and I thought the balance was pretty good up until now, even if there are still things to be criticised. The top prospects in the store are currently on a par with the best trained players in the game.

However, there are some things that I don't think our MDJ has seen:

• The 16-17-18 year olds in the store, apart from their huge potential, are mostly very average. Where the young people in the centre leave with a head start that allows them to have a good level NG, those in the blind leave at +1-+2. With the same potential, a youngster from the blind is bound to be inferior to a youngster who has been trained.

• The 23+ players have a significant endu, so at potential 85+86 a player from the blind has around 200-204 points. For example: O. Kökçü
  For the moment, the balance has been struck, with good 24-year-old store players at the average level of current 24-year-olds.

Problem: Today's youngsters will cap at 185 points.
If these 185-point players, trained for 6-8 months, find themselves up against 200-point Store players (the level of 84 potential players, very easily accessible on the Store), how can we justify a balance? Is Aymeric aware of this?

Voila, sorry for the pavlard and the probable spelling mistakes around.

Thank you, to those who have read. If Aymeric happens to drop by, I'll be happy to have a chat. But as it stands, we've reached a breaking point in the balance that you've managed to maintain for so long, in my opinion.

Thanks Sora. I even read the whole thing.
I add (another topic) that I had opened, it is added to a new drop in players that can be detected that you cited in your post. I finally found 1x 82. No 81. and 2x 80, that's not much.
In short, we'll adapt, I'm not too affected in the end, given my participation in this game's major competitions.

We should speed up the regression of the 99NG generation

Crab: On devrait accélérer la régression de la génération 99NG

It's easy to say that when you're not riding the wave ^^.

So those who bought older players at a certain price, how do you explain to them that tomorrow they'll have 15 points (for example) less?

Crab: On devrait accélérer la régression de la génération 99NG

Basically, you want to kill off the 99NG generation because you've rebuilt a team of 24-25 year olds who will never reach that level?

I guess you wouldn't mind a -15 points on all your players in 5 seasons when the new generation won't be up to the level of yours either... 🙂

As Pithiviers in the 7th company would say, don't touch that ( Ng 99 ) p'tit.... ^^

You have to know how to preach for your parish!

There's only one solution: regression

sora02: Bon du coup, je vais faire état des lieux de la formation et du niveau des joueurs à l'instant T, les récentes MAJ font que nous arrivons à un tournant. L'idée est que chacun puisse se faire son propre avis.
La conclusion nous aménera sur le fait qu'en l'état, nous avons jamais été aussi proche d'un "Pay to win".

Attention, Pavé césar. Et non Avé, je vous vois les romains!

Pour débuter, je vais contextualiser, et présenter chaque génération sur le jeu actuelle, ce qui sera notre point de...

You had me at "Pavé César" 👏
Detailed and argued analysis, it feels good!

aymeric45: J'ai refait l'analyse sur des données récentes en comparant cette saison de Ligue 1 avec les matchs de championnat de VF des 30 derniers jours, et effectivement il y a quelques petites différences, mais qui restent mesurées. Des ajustements mineurs seront probablement faits dans le futur. J'ai fait la même chose sur les grand championnats européens mais les enseignements restent les mêmes.

Sur les buts par match on est à 2.65 sur VF contre 2.83 en Ligue 1.

Concernant la variance des buts pa...

An RTG first? Well done champion! That's our boy for sure!

The difference is that Ligue 1 isn't 14 games ....nous every mistake costs the title ....on would be on the same format as the real Ligue 1 it's always possible to make up for losing 2 games against the run of play, whereas on VF two defeats is the end of the season.