Totti10 |
01/09/2024Hello, I noticed that my players have a progression lower than the coefficient: Example, I have a player with a coefficient of 34.4, who progresses on average by 115% per day. That is 6440% per season, which gives a gain in NG of 32.2. He will therefore be behind by 2.2ng at the end of the season. So he must play 20 matches to hope to catch up... (for information the assistant coach is at 80)
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Morten34 |
01/09/2024Can you give the player's link? It would be easier, thanks.
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Brutus |
01/09/2024Hi, For info, I have a player with a coefficient of 40.47 who takes an average of 137% in each training session. EA 81 This does not seem illogical to me.
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Zeus |
01/09/2024But you forget the xp gains in matches... Progression is not only collective training unless I become stupid ^^
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Madara |
01/09/2024Individual training has nothing to do with collective training. For a few seasons now, the gain from collective training has decreased and it is also varied if you notice the percentages are still not identical (since the maturity ranges I think?)
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Brutus |
01/09/2024Not wrong, 0.24XP/match... basically a little more than 25%/match...
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Zeus |
01/09/2024I know well but he talks about delay without taking into account individual training.
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Brutus |
01/09/2024Then the collective training varies by a few %, you have to look at the average... like the XP of the matches, last season between the beginning and the end, there was a lot of difference for the same coefficient! But, I think, that it's the same for everyone!
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michbou |
01/09/2024Ah yes but for non-mathematicians it would be necessary to explain in a simple sentence 🤔👍
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Brutus |
01/09/2024I think it's him #joueur?jid=564962&progression Afterwards, you have to see the comparison with #joueur?jid=544832&progression, #joueur?jid=556604&progression and #joueur?jid=565809&progression
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Totti10 |
01/09/2024Same for the others. Same scheduled delay. A player with a coefficient of 34/35 who only takes a 1 lead at the most, with 28 matches in a season and training every day with a coach with a NG 80… it seems really weak to me compared to previous seasons.
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Totti10 |
01/09/2024Yes, that's the one. But taking into account match experience, it takes 20 matches at 90 minutes to catch up on the collective training delay. So there are a maximum of 8 matches left in the season to get ahead.
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Brutus |
01/09/2024I had a quick look, they are not that late! Some came out of the CDF late... and little coefficient before, they played an average number of matches (no more), I think that if there are no injuries, if you play a sufficient number of matches, they will arrive at the end of training without delay! Afterwards, I could be wrong!
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Totti10 |
01/09/2024I made an Excel with their potential and the lead. Having kept my XP aside, I can clearly see that the lead is melting away.
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Brutus |
01/09/2024You keep your XP aside!, so you don't take them into account for the advance!? Randomly, out of the 4, I took him S. Lagraoui At 19, he was at +8 (you must have put in a bit of endurance)... without XP... at 20 +2, at 21 +1... There, the stats are poorly proportioned but if you distribute them, he arrives at 51NG or +3... you add your XP (if you have stored any) and I think you'll be good! Honestly for a 72pot, without endurance, if you get to at least 75NG (I think), that's already good ;)
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Morten34 |
01/09/2024Your player is not late. He will be at least NG83/84 at the end of training…
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Morten34 |
01/09/2024If we take a closer look at your player, this is what it looks like: L. Mothupa He currently has 117 acquired characteristic points, or a NG of 58.5. You have 40 training sessions left with a daily progression of 1.1545 pts per training session, or: 40 x 1.1545 = 46.18 pts Add to this the xp. Over 40 days, if he plays 20 matches, he will take: 20 x 0.21 = 4.2 pts TOTAL: 117 + 46 + 4 = 167 pts / 2 = 83.5 NG For a potential of 80, you are within the current norm.
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Totti10 |
01/09/2024Oh yes yes it is not late and well within the norm. I'm just saying that it seems to me that compared to previous seasons, it progresses less 😂 And that it is necessary to compensate more with XP than usual. In itself, it seems to me to be of implacable logic.
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Drezzo35 |
01/09/2024Previous seasons with a 5 month account, thank you for teaching us VF thank you gentlemen 🤔🤭👏
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Morten34 |
01/09/2024I repeat, your player is not late. Here is another example to compare: T. Pellegrino He is currently NG 67 His current margin of progression is 20.101% and his potential is 80: 20.101% x 80 = 16.08 NG still to be taken. That is: 67 + 16 = NG 83 As I have 2 xp aside for this player, he will be NG 84. So you see that your player is not late.
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Demi-cerveau |
01/09/2024On the other hand, fortunately a player needs to play in order not to fall behind in his training. The collective training gain + XP gain slider moves regularly. Two years ago, players in training who trained every day and played every other day fell behind each season. A year ago, in the same conditions, they were way ahead. Today, they are getting a little ahead. As the retiree rightly said, it's the same for everyone, at time T. If Aymeric sees that there are too many 99ng players who continue to be trained, he will continue to lower the slider. If he sees that there are not enough of them, he will raise it a little.
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Morten34 |
01/09/2024You have another, even simpler way to know what his NG will be at the end of his training: You take his current margin of progression which is 30.975%. You do: 30.975% x 80 (His potential) = 24.78 NG still to be taken. That is 58.5 (His current NG) + 24.78 = 83.28 NG
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Totti10 |
01/09/2024I know he's not late. I agreed with you in the previous message. I'm just saying that with one training session per day, taking into account an average %, he won't take the 34.4 ng announced by his coefficient, but only 32.2 ng. And I need 20 90-minute matches for him to reach his full potential. It seems to me that in previous seasons it wasn't as "big" a gap. I just wanted to know if other managers have a similar feeling or not at all.
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Socrate |
01/09/2024Yes you are right Toto Compared to the training of 3-4 seasons ago, the advantages drawn are less. Currently the surplus of NG compared to the potential at the end of training is less important. A good training will still bring something coherent and acceptable but in view of the young players of 90 NG + on the game. It is better to try to buy them than to train them 👍🏾
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Drezzo35 |
01/09/2024This also confirms the importance of endurance, we agree? 😇
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Socrate |
01/09/2024I don't know, endurance is a particular subject that I don't master at all, I have a hard time talking about something that I don't know 🤭
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Drezzo35 |
01/09/2024El_Sombrero |
01/09/2024In any case, the cursor should not decrease too much, because only the "exceptional" potentials (85 and +) will have a chance of finishing at 99 NG at the end of training (and again, with good knowledge in the field and without hazards)
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