Hello everyone,

Great news, I've won the lottery, I've bought a château... and of course I'm going to share it with my family, I'm going to put them all up! (yes, my heart's in the right place)

There'll be my mum, my dad, my brothers (2) and my sisters (2)... ohoh, it'll be bliss!!!

My 2 brothers, one of my sisters and my mum love VF... and they want to sign up, so I'll have a few questions :

• Where can we register our joint IP? (in fact, we'll have 3 IPs in all because we have 3 computers)... (that's how it works, isn't it?)

Hang on to your hats:

• 1 of my brothers (brother A) and my sister, who wants to play, have the same computer. Yes, we're very sharing in the family
• My other brother (brother B, called Œdipe) will lend his computer to my mother (we've never understood why, he lends her everything).
• I'll have my computer (I'm not lending it because it's OK, I'm already lending them my castle)

So, my other question:

• If my brother A sells a player to my brother B, who sells him to my sister (who's playing, the other one isn't) and my sister sells him to my mother (remember, we're very sharing in our family), given that we won't have the same IP between each transfer, that won't be considered fraud!

I hope you'll have the answers to my questions, as they'll be moving in by Tuesday ;)

edit: I'll take the liberty of coming back to ask questions (or them, as they'll probably have an account depending on the answers given) on this subject... for the time being, I'm going to buy a few beers to give them the best possible welcome!

edit2: it's not a fake, it's dead serious!

For me it's provocation

Hi Mich,
Please don't confuse "provocation" with "questioning"!

But I can see that you don't have the answers to my questions...

michbou: Pour ma c'est de la provocation

Not for me in the end
The provocation was done by removing the work of the admins.
Personally, I've got my brother's cousin's cousin living with me and using my phone, who's going to set up a club and train my youngsters, who'll be able to play every day, and I'll be playing in the competition.... Nothing illegal, but I might as well take advantage of the corrupt system.

No more limit of 32 players. Club A for competition, Club B, C... for training. Transfer between clubs A, B, C at 1k, so no tax.

jul068: Plus de limite des 32 joueurs. Club A pour la compétition, Club B, C... pour la formation. Transfert entre les club A, B, C à 1k, du coup pas de taxe.

And no training allowance...yes yes stingy .com 🤣🤣

No one to answer my questions?
If you say nothing, you consent!

Brutus
From the moment You make a Common IP declaration
If there are transfers between you whether it is the sister/brother or the dog
TU sera En infraction
Does this answer your question 🦧

Thank you Mich for your feedback... but the questions were more precise than your answers! ... I'm not saying that you're not precise... but I'd like an answer on the subtle details!

Could an admin (or even the boss) please give me an answer?

Brutus: Bonjour à tous,

Grande nouvelle, j'ai gagné au loto, j'ai acheté un château... et bien sûr, je vais en faire profiter ma famille, je vais tous les héberger ! (oui, j'ai le cœur sur la main)

Il y aura ma mère, mon père, mes frères (2) et mes sœurs (2)... ohoh, ce sera le bonheur !!!

Mes 2 frères, une de mes sœurs et ma mère adorent VF... et ils veulent s'inscrire, donc j'aurai quelques questions :

• Où peut-on faire la déclaration d'IP commune ? (en fait, nous aurons 3 IP en tout car nous ...

Can't wait to meet your lovely little family!

As a former Galy admin, I was expecting a more official response (if one came from you) ;)

To declare a Common IP, all you have to do is contact an Anti-cheating administrator AND give him all the necessary information
📋

Brutus: Etant ancien admin Galy, je m'attendais (si une réponse venant de toi), à une réponse plus officielle ;)

You don't have to make any declarations. Just don't make any transfers between yourselves.

Galywat: Hâte de rencontrer ta sympathique petite famille !

I wouldn't recommend it, he's a serial killer with a passion for taxidermy...And as I have a weakness for straw wine, we're planning to join forces to set up a start-up company!

Lebaygue: J te le déconseille,c est un tueur en série passionné de taxidernie...Et comme j ai une attirance pour le vin de paille,on compte s associer pour monter une start up^

Isn't he putting you up in his castle?

I know, Galy, it's super simple ;)

But what I want to confirm... is that if you have 3 computers (or mobiles) at home... you must have 3 different IPs... so there's nothing illegal about VF!?

In fact, we're like Split (film) on Vf ^^

Galywat: Il t'héberge pas dans son château ?

Shh,I'm hiding in a suit of armour...Brutus,it's La Boiserie in fact^^only meaner!!!!

Galywat: Il t'héberge pas dans son château ?

Sisi, that's my multi number 3... of course!

Seriously Galy? you haven't touched the pebbles yet?

Brutus: Je sais Galy, c'est super simple ;)

Mais, ce que je veux faire confirmer... c'est que si tu as 3 ordi (ou mobiles) chez toi... tu dois avoir 3 IP différentes... donc rien d'illégal par rapport à VF !?

En fait, nous sommes comme dans Split (film) sur Vf ^^

It seems to me that the network IP is common and it's the one communicated on VF.

For me, an IP is attached to a device!
So if you've got a WiFi network... and 5 devices on it, you've got 5 different IPs!

Galywat: Tu n'as plus à faire quelconque déclaration. Il suffit juste de pas faire de transferts entre vous.

Oh, since when is a shared ip no longer reportable?

It's been a long time. As long as there's no transfer, it's fine. After that, everyone is free to declare it.

michbou: Pour ma c'est de la provocation

We're more concerned with irony

Brutus: Bonjour à tous,

Grande nouvelle, j'ai gagné au loto, j'ai acheté un château... et bien sûr, je vais en faire profiter ma famille, je vais tous les héberger ! (oui, j'ai le cœur sur la main)

Il y aura ma mère, mon père, mes frères (2) et mes sœurs (2)... ohoh, ce sera le bonheur !!!

Mes 2 frères, une de mes sœurs et ma mère adorent VF... et ils veulent s'inscrire, donc j'aurai quelques questions :

• Où peut-on faire la déclaration d'IP commune ? (en fait, nous aurons 3 IP en tout car nous ...

When I read your request, I wonder if you are as much a partargeur as the multi of LPA presidents who were blocked?

I'm not saying that your request is serious or not, but the way it's phrased it sounds like an ironic request.

In any case, to give you a simple answer, the rules haven't changed on the subject of shared IPs.

Brutus: Pour moi une IP est rattachée à un appareil !
Donc, si tu as un réseau WiFi... et 5 appareils dessus, tu as 5 IP différentes !

But your wifi has its ip.

I think that's what's displayed. I may be wrong.

bluethunders26: Ah bon depuis quand une ip commune n est plus à déclarer ??

Since 4g perhaps...and the advent of vpn and other proxies...or the declaration is useless as from the ip point of view, you can't see anything with certainty.

bluethunders26: Quand je lis ta demande , je me demande si vous êtes autant partargeur que le multi des présidents LPA qui ont étaient bloqué ??

Je dis pas que ta demande est sérieuse ou pas mais la façon dont c est tourner ça ressemble à une demande ironique

En tout cas pour faire une réponse simple le règlement a pas changer au sujet des ip communes

But nowhere does the regulation mention that you have to declare a common ip.

Lebaygue: Depuis la 4g peut être...et l avènement des vpn et autres proxys...ou la déclaration ne sert à rien vu que du point de vue des ip, vous ne pouvez rien y voir avec certitude.

Exactly. That's why it makes me laugh out loud when I read that there are ways of seeing multi-accounts other than through transfers. You only see the less experienced ones.

It's still preferable to avoid any misinterpretation 😁

Galywat: Exactement. C'est pour ça que ça me fait doucement rire quand je lis qu'il y a des moyens de voir les multicomptes autrement que par les transferts. On voit uniquement les moins dégourdis.

Knowing that Opera has a vpn as standard, that Firefox is also coming soon and that, even so, extensions are doing the job very well in the meantime, I'm actually having a laugh about IPs... it's not 2006 any more.

michbou: C'est quand même préférable pour éviter toute mauvaise interprétation 😁

I agree. But that's up to each individual. Until that night at the change of season, there were tools in the rules that allowed you to find a few multi-accounts.

Galywat: Depuis longtemps. Tant qu'il y a pas de transfert (et certains matchs) c'est bon. Après libre à chacun de le déclarer. D'ailleurs il n'est nulle part fait mention de déclaration d'ip commune dans le règlement. Pour cause : je l'ai supprimé il y a plusieurs années et ça n'a pas été rajouté depuis.

Transfer or not the declaration is logical given that the multi is prohibited and that it is tolerated under certain conditions [ real family (something that can be seen even if it is not on the spot), place of work ect ... ] and has certain conditions (such as no transfer intra ip or maximum number of matches for example).

Lebaygue: Sachant qu opéra a un vpn d office, que firefox sous peu également et que quand bien même,des extensions font très bien le taf en attendant, effectivement,j me marre avec les IP...on est plus en 2006.

Well yes, that's why I made sure that the IP wasn't the only criterion for detection in the multicount. That is, until yesterday.

bluethunders26: Transfert ou pas la déclaration est logique étant donner que le multi est interdit et qu on le tolère sous certaines conditions [ véritable famille ( chose qui peut se voir même si c est pas sur le coup ) , lieu de travail ect … ] et a certaines conditions ( comme pas de transfert intra ip ou nombre de matchs maximum par exemple )

Yes, but it is absolutely not compulsory.

And that's normal, because it will be completely obsolete by 2025.

Galywat: Oui mais il n'est absolument pas obligatoire.

Et c'est normal car c'est complètement obsolète en 2025.

If you want, you don't have to do it, but you don't have to tolerate it and let it play or unblock.

bluethunders26: Si tu veux c est pas obligatoire de le faire , mais il est pas obligatoire qu on le tolère et le laissons jouer ou débloquons

Well yes, until proven otherwise.

The only things forbidden :

• special matches between teams sharing an IP
• intra-ip transfers
• transfers between multi, designated as such according to criteria that no longer exist as of last night

So yes, basically what I wanted to know was:

• You can have a personal smartphone
• You can have a pro smartphone
• You can have a personal computer connected to your box
• You can have a professional laptop connected to the city WiFi
• and so on
• Etc

So basically, no one will know unless an in-depth study is carried out!

Oh, so just removing a limit removes all the multi criteria?

These are the conditions when they are tolerated, as the rules state from the outset that multiple entries are forbidden.

As you said, the points you mention are just linked to the tolerance that has always existed in this area.

The only difference is that vfo doesn't have as many parties as it used to (when it wasn't linked to vf), but that's due to the change in admin teams, before there were more people on the staff for both vf and vfo, the last team dates back to before the app, then afterwards it was mainly small teams (you know that, you were alone for a while like morten), aymeric agreed to recreate a team where there were several admins not long ago.

bluethunders26: Quand je lis ta demande , je me demande si vous êtes autant partargeur que le multi des présidents LPA qui ont étaient bloqué ??

Je dis pas que ta demande est sérieuse ou pas mais la façon dont c est tourner ça ressemble à une demande ironique

En tout cas pour faire une réponse simple le règlement a pas changer au sujet des ip communes

Yes, I'm the president of the LPA! Seriously, Blue, have a bit of decency!
Yes, my request was ironic, but you don't have to have been born yesterday to know that, or you really do have to be a bit of an idiot!

I don't know, but do you realise what this means for the training of young people?

It's one of the few aspects of VF that was preserved... now, with the opening up of the 'free' markets and the fact that it's possible to do more than one endu course (so a course with +1 endu each season)... it's going to become nimp!

If nobody regulates multis (because IPs will never be common) and the fact that a player can take 2 to 4 (or even more) endu pts per season... it's the death of VF and training (or vice versa)!

It's a single IP per home, per box to be precise,
You can have 12 computers in your home and it will still be the same IP, if you have the misfortune to go to McDonald's for example I'll quote Quick and burger king to avoid problems.
And if you're playing vf and someone else is playing too, you're buying a player and by bad luck it's the guy at Mac Donald's you're on the same ip logically.
On the other hand, if you have 3 boxes, i.e. 3 different IPs, the IP is in the boxes but you can change it, but that's illegal.

Brutus: Oui c'est moi le président de la LPA ! sérieux Blue un peu de décence !
Oui, c'était ironique ma demande, mais faut pas être né de la dernière pluie pour le savoir ou vraiment faut être un peu con !

Je ne sais pas mais vous vous rendez compte du soucis que cela implique pour la formation des jeunes !?

C'est l'un des seuls aspects de VF qui était préservé... là, avec l'ouverture des marchés "libres" et le fait qu'il soit possible de faire + d'un stage d'endu (donc un stage à +1 d'endu chaque...

Aymeric wanted it this way, let's wait a little, as well as when he sees how it goes he will give more indication on the vision of mutual aid between managers (because that's why he said free walk during the last vocal), what tells us that in his vocal project he will not decide to put back a regulation system.

He may well have decided to do this to see how the market develops for a programme that he is putting in place.

There are lots of possible suppositions about this choice in his decision, but only he knows more for the moment and even we don't know more, we're adapting and trying to respond or react to the concerns that come back to us or that we see.

If that's allowed, I've got a few seasons to make up for.
As we've often said to our national Teddy, if you play to the limit you'll pay for it.

The problem isn't the "free market"... it's a consequence!

I wanted to come back to the fact that it's possible to do several physical preparation courses.

They're possible after loans and now they're archi-possible with transfers at 100k/player!

For my part, I couldn't care less if club X or Y helped club A or B by selling a player at a low or high price to help them out!

But the fact that the training system is skewed by excessive sales (or loans), just to increase the endu... that's what upsets me...

Training (for me) is the bes of VF, without training, there are no good and big players, and training is a whole.... endu, style and the "basic" by position ...

Seriously, if the fact that training is biased by potential sales or loans in order to improve said training, then we're touching the basis of training and it will destroy everything!

But that's just my opinion, and seriously, putting in a code (or a line of code) so that only one endu point per player is taken each season... it's feasible and I hope it's done, because if it isn't, the door is wide open... and that's likely to demotivate more than one player.

bluethunders26: Ah bon donc juste enlever une limite enlever tous les critères de multi ??

Ça c est les conditions quand on les tolères car le règlement le dit dès le départ que les multi sont interdit

Comme dit les points que tu cites sont juste lier à la tolérance qu il y a toujours eu la dessus

La seule différence c est que le vfo n as plus autant de parti qu avant ( quand il était pas lier a vf ) , mais cela est dû au changement qu il y a eu sur les équipes d admin , avant ils y avaient plus de mon...

You don't understand:

• you'll no longer have any way of determining whether so-and-so is a multi or not (yes, you might get a couple of loonies caught on the same ip, but that's the end of it). You won't be able to use transfers like before. That's precisely when there was a framework governing them. Now you can do pretty much what you want.

You've been an admin for some time now, so I absolutely don't understand how you can miss out on this.

Looking forward to hearing Aymeric's opinion on the subject! (especially on this famous physical preparation course, possible to do several times / players)
Have a good weekend ++!

bluethunders26: Aymeric a voulu ainsi , attendons un peu , aussi bien quand il vera comment ça se passe il donnera plus d indication sur la vision d entraide entre manager ( car c est pour cela qu il a dit marche libre lors du dernier vocal ) , qu est ce qui nous dit qu à son projet vocal il ne décidera pas de remettre un système de régule .

Aussi bien il a décider cela pour voir comment le marché ce déroule pour un programme qu il met en place

Il y a plein de possible supposition sur ce choix dans sa dé...

If Aymeric wants something, he should have the decency to come and announce it to us, explicitly, on the vforum, and not send you to the scrapheap in his place after a message of maybe 10 seconds on a Tuesday night on Discord, heard by two shaved heads.

You saw the reactions of Galy, Morten, Socrate and Jeff, who we don't see any more. Anyone who's ever been involved in anti-cheating knows that he's just removed the safeguard with this insane measure. People are reacting strongly, and they're reacting fast, because every day that goes by with this absence of rules, situations are being created that will take years to regulate.

What will be interesting to see over time, if nothing changes, will be the big cars that are crying foul today but which will get up to speed to remain competitive.