Hi everyone
What I said a few seasons ago has proved me right

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The division is becoming tough for both upward and downward mobility, with 14 teams at around 100pts
I'll come back to that but it's the fact that div 2 is full of 2 and 3 agreements
For the competition, it's good to have 3 competitive divisions but for the small agreements it's becoming unplayable unfortunately

And what would you suggest?

For several seasons now it has not been possible to have 2 sister agreements in D1, only 1 agreement can be represented in D1

If Aymeric decided to block only one agreement per division, what would become of the sister agreements and what would be their interest? Since in this case there would be no more competition or rather interest in playing the ranking of agreements in each division

93 to 178 points, you're wide on your 14 agreements at around 100 points xD

There's far too much "c'était mieux avant" on VF. What's in the past stays in the past. What has been done has been done for rather good reasons each time. Even if the form isn't there sometimes, the substance is.

The only solution would be for agreements 2 or 3 of the large agreements to be closed.
A single group and a single agreement
So no agreement 2
That way everyone can move up or down

As I say once again, if the big clubs manage to reach such a high level, maybe it's because they have the means to do so?
It's easy to knock us, but it's a lot of work to have so many good teams in an agreement. it's a lot of work.
We're talking about 4 5 sister associations here, because not all of them are at the top every season.
A championship for 5 teams?
A bit ridiculous.

Every season or so, the same debate, the same arguments.
There is no perfect model.
There are bound to be some unhappy people where there are happy ones...

ESTAC
the pt clubs are not disgusted, they hardly play ie or very little
here are the figures
i start only from the d2 and d3

here is the 1st of the d2

all the rest is 0match ...
here is the 1st of the d3

dans les autres div je montre pas mais tu avez des anciens qui ont largement de quoi rivaliser avec la d1 sans soucis sauf qu'ils sont attaches à leurs ententes sans vouloir être des mercenaires tout simplement .
you see, Estac, the problem lies elsewhere, but the elites want to keep it that way so that they don't get screwed in matches by the mdm.
that's the problem, quite simply ie, competition at all costs to the detriment of the values at the start of an agreement ....
ap you are also right on 1 point, on the disgust because the members are but not by 1 ranking by the path that the game has taken on the ranking of agreements.
attention ce n'est pas 1critique car la d1 se batte pour ce titre mais vous se battez uniquement entre elites ... au detriment du reste et la je rejoins papy dx dans ce qu'il dis .

MY QUESTION, which I put here
Why can only clubs with stats make ie because this classification with divisions has created this
Vf is 1 game for everyone, not just elites on vf, no?
RELANCER LE JEUX c'est pas compliquer supprimer les divisions et ca tournera a nouv correctement ou tout le monde pourra jouer contre tout le monde avec certainement des belles surprises a la clef j'en doute pas

I don't think, my dear redbull, that removing the divisions would change anything, as Estac said above, it seems to me that the reason there are divisions is to avoid the ie arranger
Moi la base de ce topic s était pour que la division 2 soit plus lisible, je serais même prêt à autoriser à nouveau les ententes 2 en d1 mais il faut faire quelque chose pour la division 2 pour ça soit les 3 premiers qui montent point
I'm working on the principle that, like the pros in league 1, the reserves can't be at less than 2 levels, so in national 2 it would be d4 for the 2 teams
Reminder at the base the sister agreements were for the trainers or young level now the 2 are practically as strong as the one, it is not jealousy to say the truth I do not care as long as it is fair for everyone
And I laughed at the comment about questioning yourself because every season I question myself and try to save the furniture as best I can, but firstly I'm not Cresus, so I don't take on members just for the money, and secondly I loan out between 7 and 12 players a season to the detriment of my team, I help members with training, tactics and so on, but I have to admit that I don't have a miracle solution for getting back into Division 1 in the short term
So there's no need to question yourself, but after a while the big clubs will have to understand the small ones, because we're not the only ones who need to question ourselves
Humour: I'm going to recruit from my LR friends 😁😁😁

It just goes on and on and on, it's crazy ..... There comes a time when you set your sights on a goal and you give yourself the means to achieve it, that's all. Now you don't have what you want and you're talking about the end of your career on VF again.

it's good that you're asking this question, so when you train you leave your league, right?
That's the 1 question I'm asking you, no you're going to train and accept to go down, that's the game, that's how it is
since divisions have existed it's been the same thing, that's all you've heard and seen
you might as well do away with the divisions, no?

that alone is not normal, because you can't ban 1club from playing ie matches just because it's too weak, and that should be stipulated in the vf rules

Hello,
At the moment, by default, a club cannot play IEs; the president must authorise it to do so.
So, we can consider that by default it is forbidden for a club to play before being authorised to do so.

PS: we're in the D5, it's chill and relaxing... come on in!

Whatever happens, this game is losing its beauty more and more and if you often hear me say that I'm going to stop, it's because after 127 seasons I've experienced quite a few things. I've always had to adapt to everything and I'm getting more and more tired of it all as I'm sick

We don't ban fights, but a normal person with a team of 20 NGs wouldn't want to spend 90 minutes being killed by a 90 ng .... ban or not
If you like boxing but have 0 level, would you want to fight Mike Tyson?
In the end, what bothers you is that your projects aren't moving forward. And that's not the fault of the big cartels or the sister cartels.
What's more, we were generally rather opposed to nexus, but when we got together with sv we created a 2.
Why did we do this? Because not everyone wants to play in competition mode, so in 2 we have clubs that are quite strong but are in training, clubs that are taking a break from competition, up-and-coming clubs and others with more experience, but at least on discord we're all together and we forget about the notion of 1 or 2.
What should we have done? Sack all the clubs that weren't destined to play in D1? We preferred to do it that way, and I think that's also the case with the historic agreements ....
And will some clubs continue to leave for sister agreements rather than other 1 agreements, and why?
Because in this type of agreement there are clubs that are very experienced in tactics and club management and the small or medium-sized clubs can learn from this.
In the end, what you want is a race to the bottom ...

That's why Redbull has sister companies. So that everyone can test themselves by programming IEs.
If we abolish sister agreements, we'll be forced to block teams. We won't be able to afford to have one of our Level 1, 2 or 3 members schedule an IE in D1.

No one has forbidden us from having a sense of humour, and yet we're finding that there's quite a bit of it missing...

And the 4th division 🥲😆

Personally, I think the current system with fewer clubs and blocked 2 agreements is the best. The only thing I would change would be to limit the number of ascents to 2 instead of 3 in D1 so that some people have time to settle in

Personally, I'd prefer a championship system with fewer clubs in D1