Hi everyone
What I said a few seasons ago has proved me right

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The division is becoming tough for both upward and downward mobility, with 14 teams at around 100pts
I'll come back to that but it's the fact that div 2 is full of 2 and 3 agreements
For the competition, it's good to have 3 competitive divisions but for the small agreements it's becoming unplayable unfortunately

And what would you suggest?

For several seasons now it has not been possible to have 2 sister agreements in D1, only 1 agreement can be represented in D1

If Aymeric decided to block only one agreement per division, what would become of the sister agreements and what would be their interest? Since in this case there would be no more competition or rather interest in playing the ranking of agreements in each division

93 to 178 points, you're wide on your 14 agreements at around 100 points xD

bluethunders26: Et tu proposerais quoi ??

Depuis déjà quelques saisons il ne peut plus y avoir 2 ententes sœur en D1 , seul 1 entente peut être représenter en D1

Si Aymeric décider de bloquer qu une entente par division , que deviendrais les ententes sœur et quels seraient leur intérêt ?? Puisque dans ce cas il n y aurait plus de compétition ou plutôt d intérêt de jouer le classement des ententes dans chaque division

Create a separate league with only sister associations. A sort of d1 u19

Pep Kiguwa: Faire un championnat à part avec uniquement des ententes sœur. La d1 u19 en quelque sorte

It's an idea I've always supported. Shorten the number of agreements per division still further (10) to have two divisions with an interesting level and create a second championship for sister agreements with a line in the prize list for the winners. That would be pretty cool.

OMstar83: 93 à 178 points, tu es large sur ton 14 ententes à peu près à 100 points xD

I was saying more or less for the last agreement which does not have 100 points but the level has increased

bluethunders26: Et tu proposerais quoi ??

Depuis déjà quelques saisons il ne peut plus y avoir 2 ententes sœur en D1 , seul 1 entente peut être représenter en D1

Si Aymeric décider de bloquer qu une entente par division , que deviendrais les ententes sœur et quels seraient leur intérêt ?? Puisque dans ce cas il n y aurait plus de compétition ou plutôt d intérêt de jouer le classement des ententes dans chaque division

To redo divisions 2, 3 and 4 and move the agreements 2 down to d4
What is the point of a 2 or 3 agreement being 1st in d2 today? Apart from taking easy points
Or to make a division or 2 for sister teams
Last season it was said that this would raise the level of the other agreements, but this season this is clearly no longer the case as the best agreement 1s who were in d2 are in d3
For me, the introduction of sister divisions is the best solution

kiki-sainté: De refaire les divisions 2 , 3 , 4 descendre les ententes 2 en d4
Aujourd'hui qu elle est l intérêt d une entente 2 ou 3 d être 1 er de la d2 ?? A part prendre des points facile
Ou de faire une division ou 2 pour les ententes soeurs
La saison dernière on disait que ça relevait le niveau des autres ententes, cette saison c est clairement plus le cas vu que les meilleurs ententes 1 qui étaient en d2 sont en d3
La mise en place des divisions soeurs pour moi c est la meilleure solution

hi grandpa

deja je ne comprends pas pk avoir mis des divisions sur les ententes du jeu ( enfin si j'ai compris c'est quand des speudos elites sont venus pleurer ce qui a encore cre 1fosse plus grand ) in the old days there was no such thing as a division in the game.
In the old days, there were no divisions and there were a lot more people playing and it worked very well.
let me explain
Aymeric's aim is to bring players up to their potential, so there's no point in having divisions any more, we'll all have the same players
bonne journee a toutes et tous

redbull77: salut papy

deja je ne comprends pas pk avoir mis des divisions sur les ententes du jeux( enfin si j ai compris c est quand des speudos elites sont venus pleurer ce qui a encore cree 1fosse plus grand ) , toutes les ententes ont des iud differents et celles ci devraient pouvoir s affronter sur des matchs , peux importe le niv de l une ou l autre .
Autrefois il n y avait pas de division avec bcp plus de monde sur le jeux et ca marchait tres bien .
je m explique
L objectif de aymeric est de ram

The introduction of divisions has made it possible to put an end to arranged bets.
Without divisions, it would be easy to organise matches against fictitious clubs.

estac: La mise en place de division a permis l'arrêt des ie arrangés.
Sans les divisions, il serait facile d'organiser des ie contre des clubs fictifs.

yes, so the community is still paying for the elites (the same elites who came crying out for 1 poor line on the prize list)
the ie arranged have since been rectified since you can no longer make a direct proposal, so the divisions are no longer of any use.

There's far too much "c'était mieux avant" on VF. What's in the past stays in the past. What has been done has been done for rather good reasons each time. Even if the form isn't there sometimes, the substance is.

OMstar83: Y'a beaucoup trop de "c'était mieux avant" sur VF. Ce qui appartient au passé y reste. Ce qui a été fait l'a été pour des raisons plutôt bonnes à chaque fois. Même si la forme n'y est parfois pas, le fond y est.

the past is there to ensure that the mistakes of the past are not repeated in the present ......

redbull77: le passe est la pour que les erreurs du passe ne soient pas refaites dans le present ......

So, if you don't want to repeat the mistakes of the past in the present, it's a good idea to move on and not regret the past too much. Anyway, it's a logic that seems to make sense ^^

The divisions aren't bad at all, they just need a bit of polishing up. That's what's missing on VF, getting to the end of the story.

redbull77: oui donc la communautee paye encore pour les elites !( ces memes elites qui sont venus pleures pour 1pauvre ligne sur le palmares )
les ie arranges ont ete rectifies depuis puisque tu ne peux plus en faire en propo direct donc les divisions n ont plus aucunes utilitees sur le fond .

You can always offer and accept an ie.
Cheating doesn't necessarily come from the elite and you know that very well.

What's more, I think it's more interesting to play the d3 or d4 ranking than to play for fiftieth place in a ranking.

estac: La mise en place de division a permis l'arrêt des ie arrangés.
Sans les divisions, il serait facile d'organiser des ie contre des clubs fictifs.

estac
bcp d'anciens ne jouent pas dans des grosses ententes car ils sont attachés à celles et ils aurraient largement les moyens de rivaliser avec les grosses ententes, c'est 1 fait tu le sais aussi ca.
Doing away with the divisions won't change anything about the way the clubs operate, although it might be more complicated to win titles, but it's an extra challenge, isn't it?

The only solution would be for agreements 2 or 3 of the large agreements to be closed.
A single group and a single agreement
So no agreement 2
That way everyone can move up or down

redbull77: estac
bcp d anciens ne jouent pas dans des grosses ententes car ils sont attachees a celles ci et ils aurraient largement les moyens de rivaliser avec les grosses ententes , c est 1fait tu le sais aussi ca .
Supprimer les divisions ne changera rien au mode des ententes , si ca serra peut etre plus compliquer de gagner des titres mais c est 1challenge en plus non?

As far as I'm concerned, there would be no change to the rankings except for some of the Entente 2s, who could easily break into the top 15.

The championship would be easier for the big clubs. They would have a much better chance of meeting weaker teams than at present.
On the other hand, the teams at the bottom of the standings would lose the desire to play ies.
Who wants to lose to 95-99ng teams when your team is barely above 80ng?

As I say once again, if the big clubs manage to reach such a high level, maybe it's because they have the means to do so?
It's easy to knock us, but it's a lot of work to have so many good teams in an agreement. it's a lot of work.
We're talking about 4 5 sister associations here, because not all of them are at the top every season.
A championship for 5 teams?
A bit ridiculous.

hazard14: Comme je le dis encore une fois si les grosses ententes arrivent à un tel niveau c'est peut être parce que elles s en donnent les moyens ?
C'est facile de nous taper dessus mais arriver à avoir autant de belle équipes dans une entente. , c'est beaucoup de boulot.
On parle la de 4 5 ententes sœurs car toutes ne sont pas au sommet chaque saisons.
Faire un championnat pour 5 ententes?
Un peu ridicule .

Not 5 all agreements 2 and 3 or put these agreements in d5 directly so that it doesn't distort the other agreements
At some point, you have to put yourself in the shoes of the small groups. Yes, it's hard work to have active members and great teams, but you're already taking a lot of members away from the small groups, which means you have to keep reinventing yourself
If you lose one or 2 members in a large association, they are quickly replaced
We'll never be able to compete with the small clubs, or we'll have to merge, but frankly I've already done that and it wasn't very good
We need to find a happy medium and it's not by leaving them in d2 or d3 that it will help things
Already limit to 1 sister agreement for example maximum
Disappear the 3 agreements
Then move the 2 groups down to d3 and then d4 and move the 1 groups up to d2 at least to have 3 clear divisions without a 2 group
Because at the moment we're going to look for the 6th, 7th and 8th associations, for example, to see who's going up

kiki-sainté: Non pas 5 toutes les ententes 2 et 3 ou alors mettre ces ententes en d5 directement histoire que ça ne fausse pas les autres ententes
A un moment donné il faut se mettre à la place des petites ententes oui c est du boulot d avoir des membres actifs et avec de belles équipes mais vous prenez déjà pas mal de membres aux petites ententes ce qui fait que forcément on doit se réinventer sans arrêt
Les grosses ententes si vous perdez un ou 2 membres ils sont vite remplacé
Chose que les pe

With all due respect, you're talking nonsense ....
I can tell you that when you look at the big agreements they all have almost the same number of players and if there are new players most of them have already come from another big agreement.
So you want to put all the 2 3 and div 5 or apart?
That means they'll have to pay for the smaller teams, most of whom, excuse me, aren't making much effort to develop.
I have another solution for you. Why do you think we're taking up all the space, and why don't you create a division especially for small agreements for those who want it?

hazard14: Avec tout mon respect tu dis un peu n apporte quoi ....
Je peux te dire que quand on regarde les grosses ententes ils ont quasi tous le même effectifs et si il y a des nouveaux la plupart viennent déjà d'une autre grosse entente.
Donc tu veux mettre toute les 2 3 et en div 5 ou à part?
Ça veut dire alors que eux vont payer pour les petites ententes qui pour la plupart excuse moi ne font pas beaucoup d effort pour se développer.
Moi j'ai une autre solution pour vous . Pourquoi vous que vou

So for you it's the small deals that are the problem? And then I'm the one talking nonsense 😁😁😁
A la base s'était une division spéciale pour les 2 et 3 m'as ça ne convient pas vous les mettre en d3 d4 ou d5 ça ne convient pas vous
We'll never make progress on this issue if no one makes concessions
The reputation of the big agreements is well established
I challenge you to make an agreement from scratch and to set up an agreement like in d1, it's totally impossible, there aren't enough members without an agreement and as said above, mergers aren't really for me and my members, I voted for them all
If I leave the presidency of the nwo, it's simply because I no longer have a solution to get the agreement up to a higher level, unfortunately I can't help everyone

kiki-sainté: Donc pour toi c est les petites ententes le souci ? Et après c est moi qui dit n importe quoi 😁😁😁
A la base s était une division spéciale pour les 2 et 3 m'as ça ne vous convient pas les mettre en d3 d4 ou d5 ça ne vous convient pas
On n avancera jamais dans ce dossier si personne fait des concessions
La réputation des grosses ententes n est plus à faire
Je te met au défi de faire une entente à zéro et de monter une entente comme en d1 ,c est totalement impossible,il n y a

NXS did it. SV did it. LGM did it...

At some point you might have to question yourself or your project?
Maybe it just doesn't interest managers with ambition, or who need to learn in certain areas, or financially, or maybe they don't trust you, or what?
Even so, if your only way of getting into D2 is to get rid of the 'sister' clubs, that's bound to leave you wondering. These agreements are obviously more competitive than your current project...
Ask yourself why these managers prefer these sister agreements to projects that are obviously not very convincing (in their eyes, I don't wish to judge).

If you fail, it's not necessarily the fault of others.
Once again, I've mentioned 3 agreements that have managed to climb steadily up to D1, and stay there... And yet there's this INSURMOUNTABLE obstacle of sister associations, unbelievable isn't it?

Magpie: NXS l'a fait. SV l'a fait. LGM l'a fait...

A un moment faut peut-être aussi te remettre en cause ou ton projet ?
Peut-être qu'il n'intéresse tout simplement pas les managers avec de l'ambition, ou qui ont des besoins d'apprendre dans certains domaines, ou financièrement, ou bien qu'ils ne te font pas confiance, que sais-je ?
Quand bien même, si, pour rejoindre la D2, ton seul moyen est de degager les ententes "soeurs", forcément ça laisse songeur. Ces ententes qui, visiblement, sont de

But I don't want to join the d2 this season and we're a long way from having the level
And as for the agreements you mentioned, they're all members of the big agreements that have made their own agreement, so they had quite a bit of knowledge about the game
At the start, my agreement was not to be there just for the money and to help those who wanted to stop playing to give them back a taste for the game
But the more it goes on, the more I want to stop, the more nothing goes right in my club, the more nothing satisfies me
I'm closer to the end of my vf career than the beginning, I've already done 127 seasons with my 2 accounts combined

Every season or so, the same debate, the same arguments.
There is no perfect model.
There are bound to be some unhappy people where there are happy ones...

ESTAC
the pt clubs are not disgusted, they hardly play ie or very little
here are the figures
i start only from the d2 and d3

here is the 1st of the d2

all the rest is 0match ...
here is the 1st of the d3

dans les autres div je montre pas mais tu avez des anciens qui ont largement de quoi rivaliser avec la d1 sans soucis sauf qu'ils sont attaches à leurs ententes sans vouloir être des mercenaires tout simplement .
you see, Estac, the problem lies elsewhere, but the elites want to keep it that way so that they don't get screwed in matches by the mdm.
that's the problem, quite simply ie, competition at all costs to the detriment of the values at the start of an agreement ....
ap you are also right on 1 point, on the disgust because the members are but not by 1 ranking by the path that the game has taken on the ranking of agreements.
attention ce n'est pas 1critique car la d1 se batte pour ce titre mais vous se battez uniquement entre elites ... au detriment du reste et la je rejoins papy dx dans ce qu'il dis .

MY QUESTION, which I put here
Why can only clubs with stats make ie because this classification with divisions has created this
Vf is 1 game for everyone, not just elites on vf, no?
RELANCER LE JEUX c'est pas compliquer supprimer les divisions et ca tournera a nouv correctement ou tout le monde pourra jouer contre tout le monde avec certainement des belles surprises a la clef j'en doute pas

I don't think, my dear redbull, that removing the divisions would change anything, as Estac said above, it seems to me that the reason there are divisions is to avoid the ie arranger
Moi la base de ce topic s était pour que la division 2 soit plus lisible, je serais même prêt à autoriser à nouveau les ententes 2 en d1 mais il faut faire quelque chose pour la division 2 pour ça soit les 3 premiers qui montent point
I'm working on the principle that, like the pros in league 1, the reserves can't be at less than 2 levels, so in national 2 it would be d4 for the 2 teams
Reminder at the base the sister agreements were for the trainers or young level now the 2 are practically as strong as the one, it is not jealousy to say the truth I do not care as long as it is fair for everyone
And I laughed at the comment about questioning yourself because every season I question myself and try to save the furniture as best I can, but firstly I'm not Cresus, so I don't take on members just for the money, and secondly I loan out between 7 and 12 players a season to the detriment of my team, I help members with training, tactics and so on, but I have to admit that I don't have a miracle solution for getting back into Division 1 in the short term
So there's no need to question yourself, but after a while the big clubs will have to understand the small ones, because we're not the only ones who need to question ourselves
Humour: I'm going to recruit from my LR friends 😁😁😁

It just goes on and on and on, it's crazy ..... There comes a time when you set your sights on a goal and you give yourself the means to achieve it, that's all. Now you don't have what you want and you're talking about the end of your career on VF again.

villa: Ça pleure encore et encore c est fou ….. y a un moment si tu vises un objectif tu t en donnes les moyens c est tout . La t as pas ce que tu veux tu parles a nouveau d une fin de carrière sur VF .

I fully agree
In D2 it's going to be the 7th, 8th and 9th teams that go up and yet the sister agreements don't have incredible ratios but they're ALL ahead...
at some point you're going to have to think about the way you operate, whether it's in terms of training, recruitment or management
Because it's very clear that those who are going up will be the bottom three in D1, they don't have the level and it's in no way the fault of the sister associations
As magpie said, some recently created agreements have managed to do this without complaining, take inspiration from them, play your 100ie and then you will magically see that sister agreements are not a problem in themselves (and on the contrary I even think that they help in D2 to prepare well for D1 but that's just my opinion) 😘😉

redbull77: ESTAC
les pt clubs ne sont pas degoute , ils ne jouent quasi pas les ie ou tres peux
en voici les chiffres
je pars uniquement de la d2 et d3

voici le 1er de la d2

tout le reste c est 0match ...
voici le 1er de la d3

dans les autres div je montre pas mais tu as des anciens qui ont largement de quoi rivaliser avec la d1 sans soucis sauf qu ils sont attaches a leurs

So what should we do? Have clubs in training play with 20 NGs? They're going to love taking 8-0 losses against 90 NGs ...

it's good that you're asking this question, so when you train you leave your league, right?
That's the 1 question I'm asking you, no you're going to train and accept to go down, that's the game, that's how it is
since divisions have existed it's been the same thing, that's all you've heard and seen
you might as well do away with the divisions, no?

that alone is not normal, because you can't ban 1club from playing ie matches just because it's too weak, and that should be stipulated in the vf rules

redbull77: rien que la c est deja pas normal car tu peux pas interdir a 1club de faire des matchs ie sous pretexte qu il est trops faible , d ailleurs ca devrait etre stipule dans le reglement de vf

in itself there is no prohibition.
A manager decides for himself whether he does IE or not.
If you've got 20 NGs, it's logical to say you won't do any

villa: en soi y'a aucune interdiction .
Un manager décide de lui-même si il fait des IE ou pas .
Si t'as 20 de NG , c'est logique que tu dises que t'en fasses pas

so 1 member who has 20 ng in his field is kicked out of the field?

Hello,
At the moment, by default, a club cannot play IEs; the president must authorise it to do so.
So, we can consider that by default it is forbidden for a club to play before being authorised to do so.

PS: we're in the D5, it's chill and relaxing... come on in!

Whatever happens, this game is losing its beauty more and more and if you often hear me say that I'm going to stop, it's because after 127 seasons I've experienced quite a few things. I've always had to adapt to everything and I'm getting more and more tired of it all as I'm sick

redbull77: donc 1 membre qui a 20 de ng dans son champ il est vire du champ ?

But you're already comparing 2 different competitions. But nobody's forcing you to play a championship and nobody's forcing you to play IE .... At some point you have to stop looking for the small beast in everything.

zenden: La seule solution serait que les ententes 2 ou 3 des grosses ententes soient fermées.
Un seul groupe et une seule entente
Du coup pas d entente 2
Comme ça tout le monde peut monter ou descendre

Totally against it.

The aim of the LV (an example I know well) is to get as many members as possible to play IE.

LV1 in D1 to play for the podium with our best performing members.
LV2 in D2 either to prepare our future nuggets for D1 in a championship with a very high level, or for those who prefer to play cooler IEs.
LV3 in D3 for our "building" members, who need to be able to play IE to learn the tactical basics of the game and the discipline required in IE.

In short, if we abolish the sister agreements to form a single agreement with more than 100 members, we'll be forced to ban IE programming for a large number of our members. And our entire model will disappear.

villa: Mais déjà tu compares 2 compétitions différentes . Mais en soi personne t obliges à jouer un championnat et personne t obliges à jouer des IE …. Y a un moment faut arrêter de chercher la petite bête sur tout .

comment tu peux interdir a 1 membre de jouer a des matchs, tu es conscients de quoi on parle là? C'EST 1JEUX ou t'es là pour t'amuser , voila pk il faut dégager les divisions et toutes ses interdictions de matchs , j'en ai deja parlé il y a 1moment de ca et plus le temps avance et plus le goufre s'agrandis .
tu ne peut pas interdir a 1 membre de jouer c'est 1 fait

redbull77: comment tu peux interdir a 1 membre de jouer a des matchs , tu es conscients de quoi on parle la? C EST 1JEUX ou t es la pour t amuser , voila pk il faut degager les divisions et toutes ses interdictions de matchs , j en ai deja parle il y a 1moment de ca et plus le temps avance et plus le goufre s agrandis .
tu peux pas interdir a 1 membre de jouer c est 1 fait

Did your agreement ban you from IE and the championships for you to block like that? In the end, you're the only one talking about a ban. Don't forget that this is a game, as you so rightly say

villa: Ton entente t as interdit d IE et de championnat pour que tu bloques comme ça ? Au final t es le seul a parler d interdiction . Oublie pas que c est un jeu comme tu le dis si bien

no, I've just seen 1aberration simply by looking at 1 bit of these famous divisions

We don't ban fights, but a normal person with a team of 20 NGs wouldn't want to spend 90 minutes being killed by a 90 ng .... ban or not
If you like boxing but have 0 level, would you want to fight Mike Tyson?
In the end, what bothers you is that your projects aren't moving forward. And that's not the fault of the big cartels or the sister cartels.
What's more, we were generally rather opposed to nexus, but when we got together with sv we created a 2.
Why did we do this? Because not everyone wants to play in competition mode, so in 2 we have clubs that are quite strong but are in training, clubs that are taking a break from competition, up-and-coming clubs and others with more experience, but at least on discord we're all together and we forget about the notion of 1 or 2.
What should we have done? Sack all the clubs that weren't destined to play in D1? We preferred to do it that way, and I think that's also the case with the historic agreements ....
And will some clubs continue to leave for sister agreements rather than other 1 agreements, and why?
Because in this type of agreement there are clubs that are very experienced in tactics and club management and the small or medium-sized clubs can learn from this.
In the end, what you want is a race to the bottom ...

thomas33980: Chez nous on interdit pas mais une personne normalement constitué qui a une équipe de 20 NG n'a pas envie de passer 90 minutes à se faire tuer par un 90 ng .... interdiction ou pas
Si tu aimes la boxe mais que tu as 0 niveau tu aurais envie de te taper contre Mike Tyson ?
Au final ce qui vous dérangent cest que vos projets n'avancent pas . Et ca cest pas la faute des grosses ententes ni des ententes sœurs.
D'ailleurs on était d'une manière général plutôt contre a la nexus mais qua

it's coherent what you say thomas, but you can't block people from playing matches, tomorrow you have 1 guy who has 400 statts and who wants to test himself on vf you can't block him, vf must remain free on this subject, the worry clearly is that it's only d1 which is constantly taking precedence with this division formula

redbull77: rien que la c est deja pas normal car tu peux pas interdir a 1club de faire des matchs ie sous pretexte qu il est trops faible , d ailleurs ca devrait etre stipule dans le reglement de vf

If you can't play d'ie because you have 20 de ng , don't look for an error in the rules or a blockage by the game, because that's not the case at all

The only one who can prevent you from playing an ie is your president, otherwise even with 20 ng you can programme one

So instead of looking for an error in the game, check with your agreement chairman

That's why Redbull has sister companies. So that everyone can test themselves by programming IEs.
If we abolish sister agreements, we'll be forced to block teams. We won't be able to afford to have one of our Level 1, 2 or 3 members schedule an IE in D1.

bluethunders26: Si tu peux pas jouer d ie car tu as 20 de ng , ne cherche pas une erreur dans le règlement ou un blocage par le jeu car ce n est pas du tout le cas

Le seul qui peut t empêcher de jouer un ie c est ton président sinon même avec 20 de ng tu peux en programmer

Donc au lieu de chercher une erreur du jeu renseigne toi déjà auprès de ton président d entente

1question gilles
le président il choisit aussi ta tactique quand tu joues des ie , non mais on marche sur la tete la serieux
je comprends mieux quand je vois les classement sur les ententes maintenant
je vais stop la car c'est 1aberration franchement avec ce que je viens de voir .
bonne soirée

redbull77: comment tu peux interdir a 1 membre de jouer a des matchs , tu es conscients de quoi on parle la? C EST 1JEUX ou t es la pour t amuser , voila pk il faut degager les divisions et toutes ses interdictions de matchs , j en ai deja parle il y a 1moment de ca et plus le temps avance et plus le goufre s agrandis .
tu peux pas interdir a 1 membre de jouer c est 1 fait

And can we ban Vforum messages?

maxence97300: Et est ce que l'on peut interdire les messages Vforum ?

now he's going to give you a 10-page novel

redbull77: 1question
le president il choisit aussi ta tactique quand tu joues des ie , non mais on marche sur la tete la serieux
je comprends mieux quand je vois les classements sur les ententes maintenant
je vais stop la car c est 1aberration franchement avec ce que je viens de voir .
bonne soiree

Yes, you do need to understand that the staff who manage an agreement have to do a lot of work to ensure that the agreement performs well.
Tactical advice, scheduling quotas, match monitoring... there's a lot of know-how behind all that. A high-performance agreement is not just a group of members who play IE when they want and how they want

redbull77: 1question
le president il choisit aussi ta tactique quand tu joues des ie , non mais on marche sur la tete la serieux
je comprends mieux quand je vois les classements sur les ententes maintenant
je vais stop la car c est 1aberration franchement avec ce que je viens de voir .
bonne soiree

A chairman can't choose your tactics, but he can block your access to ie programming via his panel