Kevin-7130 |

25/01/2025

Hello community,
Everyone's talking about it at the moment.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to (finally!) reduce the length of matches?
I don't think I'm the only one who finds it very long...
It also puts off a lot of new players!
As for the right length, I'm not sure, but at least half would be good.

What do the Vfian community think? :)


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Jallow |

25/01/2025

Totally against


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Fafa30 |

27/01/2025

I'm an old hand at the game. Staying 1h30 in front of a match with the IRL doesn't interest me anymore. So I play without really playing.


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Clamsii |

25/01/2025

For me, though, it's still the DNA of the game, even if it annoys me in some matches.

After that, would reducing the playing time make it more attractive if the mdm stays the same? With less time to react in case of a problem?


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Adrimax |

25/01/2025

Yes yes and yes my Kevin! 😘


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Zenze10 |

26/01/2025

On the other hand, I think it's the charm of the game


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sora02 |

26/01/2025

New players are certainly not put off by the length of the matches


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Kevin-7130 |

26/01/2025

Not sure the new generation are fans of spending 1h30 behind a screen :).


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Marcus Aurelius |

26/01/2025

The new generation is very often about everything, right away. It's not really the same as spending 1h30 in front of the screen for so little, that's for sure.

Totally for the idea.


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sora02 |

26/01/2025

Imagine that the problem is the length of the matches when a new player has to tap :

  • A phoney team for several months, taking 5-0 after 5-0
  • A disgusting points system that prevents you from progressing at a decent pace and therefore at the same level as those who were able to play during the easy-to-play level 10 period
  • Ultra-rigid transfers and buy-sell, even more so with affinity
  • Training that's not even remotely fun, consisting of launching one EC per day

I agree with you, the new generation is all about everything, right now, but that means unrestricted access to resources for those who want to get involved

On the other hand, an interesting idea would be to avoid matches on 2 occasions for 1h30 because one of the two managers has decided to put on the bus


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Sikora |

26/01/2025

But that's precisely the charm of this game.
A player is under no obligation to follow the whole game.
The advantage of a1h30 is also that you have more time to adjust your tactics. Let's imagine a 30-minute match. If you're not available, you're dead in the water.


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spoupou |

26/01/2025

no one is obliged to stay in front of a full match, those who don't want to can connect once the match is over


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Jallow |

26/01/2025

Or even follow their 30 minutes of availability then get out there's no nicer than that 😆


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Blagoje Vidinic |

26/01/2025

Nevertheless, without altering the nature of the game or removing the 'tactical' aspect, reducing the duration of matches to 45 or even 30 minutes could be a plus in terms of appealing to the new generation in a hurry, while not frustrating the tacticians and relieving the carrot lovers who won't have wasted 'too much' of their time.

I say this all the more freely because I have long been, and always have been, an advocate of real-time matches.


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Fidel BBTG |

26/01/2025

When you're winning against a tough opponent... Your only prayer is that the match ends quickly... But I'm totally against it, and if we had to add extra time at each half-time it would be great..


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guantanamera |

26/01/2025

i'm not new to the game and my opponents know it = after 20 minutes (especially given the very limited tactics) I'm fed up with wiping the floor and I give up. Shorter matches would suit me. I'm sure that new players would appreciate it too, but it's tricky to say because the reason why they chose not to play VF remains unknown. Of course, many people will say that it's part of the charm of the game, but that's the opinion of those who play it. What would be great would be to hear the opinions of those who don't play... or no longer do!

PS: aymeric should send an email to the players who have given up to find out their opinion


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Marcus Aurelius |

26/01/2025

We're not saying that it's THE reason to flee, but that it should contribute to it.


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Djaiss |

26/01/2025

When I was playing as a teenager, no worries, but now I'm 35, with a job, a family and obligations, it's no longer possible 🤷🏻‍♂️ There's no need to list everything that's involved 🥵 Spending 1hr30 on a game, and I stress the word, is completely ridiculous! Imagine your wife, your kids seeing you fussing over your smartphone all that time while you're driving home from work, bathing the kids, cooking, spending time with the family.

I thought about quitting for a long time because it didn't fit in with my life any more, but I'm still attached to it because building a team takes time and you don't want to throw everything away. At the moment, I'm no longer able to allocate all that time to attacking on the left and defending on the right, and so I'm suffering defeats because in the top flight, that's unforgiving, but at the same time I don't want to stop.

Reducing the length of the match would allow me to stick to this game and I don't think that adapting to our fans, who have also evolved, would be detrimental to this game, quite the contrary in fact. The 90-minute diehards will get used to it 😉😘


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Djaiss |

26/01/2025

A little poll 🙂


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kiki-sainté |

26/01/2025

Against, we would have to add the time for the changes, the injuries and the power cuts (humour, eh?) but against all the same


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Azby |

26/01/2025

Cons. Real-time matches are an added bonus compared to the bland and quickly forgotten matches in rival games.

The new generation argument is a good one when people in their thirties, forties and over are asking for shorter matches. ^^

If your aim is to retain new players, it's more towards the points mentioned by sora that you should be looking.


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Lebaygue |

26/01/2025

I find the affinity system, as it is, far more damaging to enjoyment and stickiness than match time... In addition to the tactical panel which, as Guanta points out, wipes the slate clean every minute, it's as interesting as playing rattle at 15, the stylish players who make no sense, in short to discourage old and new players, if there was only game time, VF would have been first on the stores for a decade.
Game time is only for the regulars and the prize winners... the others are content to live most of the time (yeah, they're not winners, shame on them, that's for sure)
VF will be celebrating its 20th anniversary next year (we'll probably get 1M as a gift on this occasion, yippee ^^), if this game was going to break through, it would have done so already.
That said, I'm not against this proposal, knowing that whatever new features are introduced, whether I like them or not, I don't give a shit anymore, so my credibility is doubled.


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Adrimax |

26/01/2025

45-minute match... remove taxes and affinity and let's have some fun!


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Kevin-7130 |

26/01/2025

Personally, I'm not hiding behind the newcomers' excuse because yes, that would suit me just as well.
For the reasons outlined by Djaiss, I'm in the same situation!
After that, whether it's accepted or not isn't up to me, but seeing the pros and cons, the debate is open and that's the main thing.

As lebaygue says, it won't change my life either whether it's 1hr30mins or 45mins for a VF match :)

But I'm convinced that few people are attracted to following a "match" behind a screen for 1h30 and doing left right centre at every news item. So yes, you don't have to follow it for 1hr30mins, but if you do, it's impossible to play properly (see djaiss's post).

From my point of view, I'd rather play for 45 minutes against another active manager, than play for 1.5 hours against an AFK guy, or one who co's every 20 minutes.

Everyone has their own vision and I respect those who absolutely want a 1h30 match, no worries about that!


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Plarchios |

26/01/2025

Rather favourably, you could very well reduce it to 30 minutes with an update every minute. That would be more or less the same.
With less time wasted by managers, and more people attending matches.


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hazard14 |

26/01/2025

The news is already every minute.


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Plarchios |

26/01/2025

Yes, but back then it was every 3. Now it's every 1, so maybe even if we reduce the match time by determining 1 real minute = 3 match minutes. With possibly several actions in that minute.

It would be shorter and there would be more people present. In short, I'm in favour.


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kiki-sainté |

26/01/2025

So I'm still against it, but a little clarification: at a time when everyone is complaining about the mdm, shortening game time won't do you any good because you won't be able to manage anything, it's a management game. By shortening time, you also reduce the possibility of solving your team's problems during the match


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Kevin-7130 |

27/01/2025

Except that if match time were to be reduced, the MDM would also have to be adapted. Sounds logical....


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Kevin-7130 Sauf que si le temps de match venait à être réduit, il y aurait également une adaptation du MDM. Ça paraît logique....

kiki-sainté |

27/01/2025

Yes, it's logical, but if the mdm isn't fully validated in 1 hour 30 minutes, how can it be validated in 30 minutes?


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kiki-sainté Oui logique mais si déjà le mdm n est pas totalement valide en 1h30 comment veux tu qu il le soit en 30mn ???

Kevin-7130 |

27/01/2025

That's a question of programming. Whether Aymeric sets his MDM for 30 minutes or 1h30 or even 3 hours won't change a thing.
The effective time would correlate with the faster actuations and opportunities.
You could very well have 10 opportunities over the 30 minutes, as you currently have over the 90 minutes.


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Kevin-7130 Ça c'est une question de programmation. Que Aymeric règle son MDM sur 30min ou 1h30 même 3h ne changera rien. Le temps effectif serait en corrélation avec les …

kiki-sainté |

27/01/2025

You'll never make me believe that I could manage a match the same way in 30 minutes as I could in 1h30
As you say, there are 10 chances in 30 minutes, so stamina won't be of any use any more
All that to make you understand that it's a lot of work for Aymeric to reduce match times, Aymeric has a life outside the game
If you reduce game time, there's all the after-effects, and I'm not even talking about the bugs it'll generate


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MrHoman |

26/01/2025

Also against!


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26/01/2025

Özel turnuva ve etkinlikte denenirse kısa süreli maçlar beğenilebilir.


Kevin-7130 |

27/01/2025

You're the one who doesn't want to understand that everything is correlated. The physical aspect, as you say, would remain the same with a loss. You just change the effective time of a match.

If that's work, I don't know, I'm not a programmer.


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kiki-sainté |

27/01/2025

Well, you said it all in the end
On that note, I've said what I had to say. Have a nice day


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Pierabou |

27/01/2025

i'm pretty much against it, but I'm starting to think why not. 😅


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Lulo |

29/01/2025

A new poll? Hahah
Personally it's complicated 90min in front of your laptop almost every day. I understand 90min matches on important matches (final, IS and why not IE) but 90min div5 championship matches ... maybe bring a bit of logic on the matches


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Flo58 |

30/01/2025

On the other hand, I think we should look at affinity, which I don't think is very useful, and especially style players. Having players with 1 NG shouldn't be that advantageous, it's pointless, there's no consistency.


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Toumas |

30/01/2025

Scoring players have 1 ng and yet they are useful it's totally stupid to remove them and it takes away strategy from the game ( with your idea the best ng gains no interest ). You'd either have to increase their ng which would be logical but more difficult for the transfer market or you'd have to get used to it 😁 it's no worse and it still allows the manager with less ng to counter teams with 90 ng who have brought out the CB or are much more established. Consequently it leaves the game in place otherwise no point in playing the matches.


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Toumas Les joueurs de marquage ont 1 de ng et pourtant ils sont utiles c'est totalement débile de les retirer et ça enlève de la stratégie au jeu ( avec ton idée la m…

Flo58 |

30/01/2025

Everyone has their own point of view, you can argue as you like, I don't see the logic in this type of player. Playing styles are important, 15 years ago it was pointless. Today it's a good thing to be able to train these players according to a style, but players with 1 NG shouldn't be similar to 99 NGs, for example.


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Flo58 Chacun son point de vue, tu peu argumenter comme tu veux, je ne vois pas la logique sur ce genre de joueurs. les styles de jeu sont important , il y a 15 ans c…

Toumas |

30/01/2025

So you didn't read the message but it doesn't matter, I'll explain it again, but only once.
Players with 1 ng are similar to players with 99 ng except that for VF they're not included in the criteria so they're counted as 1 but if you don't know that you must know very little about the game so it's normal for you to have a biased opinion and 15 years ago it was 2010 today it's 2025 so yes the game has changed, normal I'd like to say otherwise it's weird isn't it? So you also have to learn to adapt to the game rather than asking the game to adapt to you, that seems logical to me in any case 🤷.


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Toumas Donc tu as pas lu le message mais ce n'est pas grave je vais te réexpliquer mais qu'une fois. Les joueurs avec 1 de ng sont similaires à des joueurs à 99 sauf …

Flo58 |

30/01/2025

Look, you're cute but I don't care about your explanations, I gave my point of view and that's it. I don't want to turn this into a debate because it's not the basic subject. There's already a thread about it, you can continue there if you like


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Flo58 Écoute, tu es mignon mais je me fiche de tes explications, j'ai donner mon point de vue et c'est tout. Je ne veux pas en faire un débat car ce n'est pas le suj…

Toumas |

30/01/2025

So don't post if you're not open to debate and don't care what other people think. Debate is what this place is all about, so there's no point in posting if you don't want to take part. I'm sorry if I think otherwise, but the aim is to convince the other person, not to refuse debate, otherwise, once again, this place is literally useless if people think like you.


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Toumas Évite de poster alors si tu n'es pas ouvert au débat et que tu te fiches de l'avis des autres. Le débat c'est le principe de cet endroit donc aucune utilité de…

Flo58 |

30/01/2025

So you didn't read the message but that's OK, I'll explain it again, but just once.
I'm not in any way closing myself off to debate, I'm just saying that this isn't the basic subject, I was just expressing my opinion. There's already a post about creating ng1s where there are some interesting proposals for replacing this type of player without it impacting on playing styles, you can go and defend your steak and without wanting to play the teacher would be preferable.


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kiki-sainté |

30/01/2025

Guys, since you've been playing, you've all been sitting in front of your laptop for 1.5 hours, and if it goes to 1 hour or 30 minutes, you'll be the same
Following your match for 1h30 is part of the charm of the game, not many management games allow you to follow your match in its entirety, and then for me shortening the time of the game will serve no purpose if you want to stop whether it's 30mn or 1h30 it will serve no purpose you'll stop the same
If it's to connect to make the team and 2 minutes later you have the result frankly there are plenty of games like that


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Lulo |

30/01/2025

Nobody is talking about 2 minutes. But at the moment we have 90 minutes with 1 minute for the game to update the stats... so in the end, you're potentially changing tactics every minute. The idea is to speed that up a bit. It could be an update every 30 seconds, and a 45-minute match. You'd have the same number of tactical possibilities, except that you'd have to be quicker
I think that saying no won't change anything, I think that's wrong, today there are a lot of 30-40 year olds in the game (the majority) and who can't spend 1h30 in front of the laptop (I'm one of them) and I think that the game can also evolve. It's not a regression, it's simply an evolution in relation to the players of the game. And also perhaps to reach out to younger players (it would be cool to get a few more young people to join in, for the good of the game)


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Sikora |

30/01/2025

You don't need to understand the mdm to change tactics every few minutes...


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iMcCarthy77 |

30/01/2025

Overhaul of the match engine... reduction in game time... soon we'll also be asking you to change the name... It's another game you want, maybe we should create one in your image..


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Zeus |

30/01/2025

It's clear


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Jallow |

30/01/2025

It won't even take long to change the game's interface 😂 . ( it's getting crazy now the forum )


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Marcus Aurelius |

30/01/2025

Magnificent!

To endure is to evolve, to refuse to evolve is to perish!

3/4 years ago I would have said no, blah blah the charm of vf


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Marcus Aurelius Magnifique ! Perdurer c’est évoluer, refuser d’évoluer c’est péricliter ! Il y a 3/4 ans j’aurais dit non, bla bla le charme de vf ; mon avis a évolué. Et quan…

Jallow |

30/01/2025

Evolving does not mean destroying the essence of the game. Reducing matches to 30 minutes is a bad idea. It would undermine strategy and make matches too random. VF is a management game, not a fast-paced game with no depth. 1h30 matches are not a problem because you don't have to watch every minute. Changing just for the sake of changing would risk destroying what makes the game interesting.


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Djaiss |

30/01/2025

An admin to launch a poll? 😁


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Socrate |

30/01/2025

The forum was fine without polls


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Socrate Le forum vivait très bien sans sondage

kiki-sainté |

31/01/2025

Now it is poll upon poll you could do a poll for the change of turf and another for it to be girls in the staff and another to see the 4th referee make the changes and another to see the players take their showers and another to see them arrive at the stadium ....... we walk on the head


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Socrate Le forum vivait très bien sans sondage

junior |

31/01/2025

Yeah, except that it's always the same people who decide, not the majority without a poll
We saw it with the mdm where more than 60% of people think it's rubbish or needs to be revised ...., whereas if you listen to it only two or three people are unhappy with it...


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Jallow |

30/01/2025

Reducing the playing time from 90 to 30 minutes on Virtua Foot would be a huge mistake. It would destroy the realism, tactical management and intensity of the matches. No more turnarounds, no more stamina to manage, and strategic adjustments would become pointless. Worse still, the match engine, designed for 90 minutes, would become totally unstable, with distorted stats, random results and inconsistencies galore. In the end, it would be a game without depth, without suspense and full of bugs. A false good idea that would ruin the gaming experience.
And let's not forget the plans for improvements that this will provoke xD.


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Demi-cerveau |

30/01/2025

And let's not forget the rain of locusts!


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Demi-cerveau Sans oublier la pluie de sauterelles !

OMstar83 |

30/01/2025

AI always does too much 😁


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Sikora |

31/01/2025

image


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MrHoman |

31/01/2025

Opening up a polling opportunity means opening up all requests for change to a vote


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Socrate |

31/01/2025

Only Aymeric 45 decides. With or without a poll


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bluethunders26 |

31/01/2025

Personally, as a manager with over 17 years' experience of the game, I've often wondered about playing time, and from the IRL's point of view it's understandable and logically fair.

But in terms of management and especially training, I'm against it because reducing match time also means reducing the amount of xp players gain during matches, which also means extending player training time (which is already long when you're trying to do your best to get the best, most resilient players possible).

In addition, it should not be forgotten that with each change, when there is a positive side, there is also a negative side for the balance and fairness of all. For the old clubs, the seasons are short, but for the young clubs, they are long when there is no official competition


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Lulo |

31/01/2025

I think what people are asking for is for nothing to change, for a match that lasts 90 minutes to still be displayed as 90 minutes but for the actual time to be 45 minutes, for example.
It's like having a button (x2) but nothing else changes, xp, number of actions,... just that the impact of a match isn't calculated every minute but every 30seconds for example.
So a 90min match but the time in front of our screen is for example 45min (time goes twice as fast)

But like everything else, there will always be those for and against. But I think the initial topic is relevant in its presentation and so are the opinions against. It would be interesting to hear Aymeric's opinion (in the next audio, perhaps)


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Lulo Je crois ce que les gens demandent c’est que rien change, que un match qui dure 90min soit toujours affiché 90min mais que le temps effectif soit de 45min par …

Jallow |

31/01/2025

Reducing the time displayed to 45 minutes while keeping exactly the same mechanics (XP, number of actions, etc.) is impossible. The game doesn't just display an arbitrary time, it simulates each action according to the real time of the match. Speeding up the display distorts tactical management, immersion and, above all, the balance between XP gain and training. A 'x2 button' is not viable, because VirtuaFoot is based on a complete simulation, not just a visual display. Either we keep the 90-minute format, or we have to rethink the whole gameplay.


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Kevin-7130 |

31/01/2025

The subject is 2nd in the list of improvement projects. Aymeric will have a chance to see it and we'll see (or not) what he thinks of it.


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