Taudecci |

30/12/2024

Hi, I couldn't find the post about why you can't line up a 5-5-0?
Or is it just an IS rule?
Without a striker means the bus behind and total domination of the midfield.
So without a defender a 0-5-5 should have the same consequences, right?


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Lebaygue |

30/12/2024

It's just a VF Cup rule.


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Taudecci |

30/12/2024

So it's not really sporting


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MrHoman |

30/12/2024

0-5-5 is not as anti-game as 5-5-0


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Ancelloti |

30/12/2024

But how can the game accept a 5-5-0 when it refuses to


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mick3829 |

30/12/2024

For me the 2 are anti game from the moment he plays this tactic all the match and not to keep or try to score to equalize or win at the end. I've been on the receiving end of 0-5-5 tonight and I've lost on penalties, so win or lose that's not the problem. The problem is that the match engine doesn't punish a team that plays without a defender, it's crazy. The 5-5-0 is something else again because you can play a whole match like that against a stronger team. To hold a 0-0. Après pour moi le 0-5-5 est une faille dy jeux et c'est flippant voyant que sa fonctionne tout le monde vas y mettre imagine vf comme sa. In short, I'm personally shocked by it. And if I'd won tonight I'd have said the same thing. I've talked about it with Socrate, and yes, it's not easy, you have to adapt, etc., but really, 0-5-5 is the first time I've had to deal with it, and it's very sad


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31/12/2024

5 5 0 or 0 5 5 doesn't change much... you can use any system you want. You can't stop a guy from being defensive or too attack-minded.
You systematically see abuse where there isn't any. You didn't get a point, move on to the next game. In my experience, the guy who does anything pays for it on VF. In one match you can get away with it, but if you're good in front of 5 5 0 or 0 5 5 it doesn't worry you at all.


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mick3829 |

31/12/2024

I don't think I've been too bad at the tab, I've managed to adapt, but I'll say it, it's not the result that makes me say that, after all, you're right, but once I've understood how to play it, I'd be surprised if it did the same thing again. I'm only talking in terms of my own principles. If I'm the only one who doesn't think it's normal, then yes, I need to move on and get ready to play more and more against this kind of tactic. It just doesn't suit me


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31/12/2024

The problem that makes me react is that everyone wants to make their rules according to their morals or their way of seeing things. There are already too many rules in this game.
5 5 0 can be legitimate and the opposite too.
There are guys who play with 600 in the middle and that's no more an abuse than anything else.


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mick3829 |

31/12/2024

Yes, that's why I'm saying it's my opinion. Then what rule are you talking about? I'm not necessarily talking about setting rules, I'm talking about the engine of a match that shits playing without a defender, I really don't understand. After that, as I said, I'll adapt, but I'm very concerned about it


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31/12/2024

The match engine doesn't see match compositions. It just takes into account the statistics, your opponent has played on the imbalance and the mdm has been kind to him. You should have adjusted your defence or midfield quickly. If you'd had an extra midfielder instead of a striker, you'd surely have blown them away. The game doesn't see the players, it sees the game as a whole 😉


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OMstar83 |

31/12/2024

Especially as 5-5-0 is no guarantee of keeping a score. I've always conceded quicker that way than when not playing 5-5-0 ^^


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myforsans |

31/12/2024

It's all a false debate: the 5-5-0 approach to concreting or the 0-5-5 approach to attacking at full stretch no longer means much these days with the collective and individual instructions.
We can easily go over 400 in defence with 0 defenders and over 400 in attack with 0 attackers.
To put it plainly, the supposed prohibitions that could be imposed (or that still persist for the rules of IS matches) no longer make any sense today.


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mick3829 |

31/12/2024

I admit that the bans don't make any sense, but it's very, very strange.


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guantanamera |

31/12/2024

If that makes sense, because I seem to remember that the reason why these combinations were banned was because they unbalanced the match engine. It's worth checking, because my memory isn't what it used to be


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mick3829 |

31/12/2024

Unbalanced is a weak word in my opinion lol


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Demi-cerveau |

31/12/2024

What also begs the question is the fact that, basically, you can't line up a 0-5-5 team directly in the tactics tab. You have to line up a player in midfield or defence and then change his position to allow you to line up 5 strikers.


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31/12/2024

No debate, nothing in the rules prohibits it.
Let's leave it at that.
It adds nothing, or at worst makes the result more than random, but there's nothing new under the sun


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Demi-cerveau |

31/12/2024

I didn't say anything about a rule. I'm saying that the game, factually, prevents such a composition from being lined up in the first place. So it just needs to be more consistent:

  • either you can line up 5 strikers in the tactical tab from the start. Personally, I have nothing against that.
  • or you can't field 5 strikers at any time, in the same way that it's already impossible to field more than 5 midfielders or 5 defenders via the changes.

But I don't think that should remain an insider's 'secret'.


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mick3829 |

31/12/2024

I totally agree, because maybe I'm wrong, but if you do it the way they do it, personally I'd call that a flaw. It should be possible to do it directly from the tactics or not at all.


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mick3829 Totalement d’accord car peu être que je me trompe mais en faisant comme ils font moi personnellement j’appelle sa une faille. Il faudrait qu’on puisse le faire…

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31/12/2024

This is where you make a mistake. The way the game works is decided by the MDJ, not by you. The game allows for things that are surely not anticipated by the GM, but that doesn't make it a flaw.

What's to say that this mechanic isn't intended by the GM and that the bug is the blocking of 5 offensive players?
The problem is that we always want the rules to suit us.


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mick3829 |

01/01/2025

Yes, of course, but personally it's not that it suits me or not, I can do the same, it's just my point of view with regard to the fact that it's basically football. But after that, yes, why not, I'm not suggesting a ban, after that we adapt and that's that


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Colombpal85 |

02/01/2025

Expert opinion hihi


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lolo |

01/01/2025

everyone plays with their weapons it's just a game why favour the big teams all for the win the law of the strongest is not always the best


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lolo |

01/01/2025

already, when we play against abandoned clubs, the stats are higher than my team. I'm forced to use the normal set point, but no matter how many times I change the set point, the abandoned club is superior


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