Hello,

How come some clubs are already over 40pts in 4 games?
Am I missing something?

Yes, we got points for the D1 title...

Drosko: Bonjour,

Comment ça se fait que des clubs soient déja a + de 40pts en 4 matchs?
J'ai raté qqchose??

I missed the same info ptdr

Drosko: Bonjour,

Comment ça se fait que des clubs soient déja a + de 40pts en 4 matchs?
J'ai raté qqchose??

It's due to the points offered by winning competitions
It's all very well to offer points but for the ranking... :3

it's a shame they're not posted during the title season. but it's good that they're posted at some point.

The +100 for the LDC comes into play this season, but when?

Ahhh yeah all the same ^^
Personally, I don't play in the top flight, but that's not going to encourage managers to sign up with mid-table teams.
Giving points in relation to last season distorts everything, especially as it's a collective performance if I've understood correctly ....
Those at the top of the table will be even higher up. Really bizarre logic....
Well done LR, CP, NXS, RTG (I don't know how many agreements are involved), you're going to be in the top 100 ^^

D1 championship title @Drosko

OK, I'd skimmed the news...
But I don't agree. There's absolutely no logic to it.
You finish first in Ligue 1...hop 20 bonus points and if you're as good as OM in 1993, hop 40 pts.... It doesn't make any sense ^^

It gives you points on a ranking that ultimately means very little.
It doesn't give you a bonus for your league or your cup.
This was in response to the legend circles and to allow clubs to earn more points per season

It's clearly not very logical... we might as well do away with this direct ranking, as already said, the winner of the ldc will be 1st 100% of the time

All you have to do for the Circle of Legends is lower the entry level to 8 or 9,000 pts and the matter's settled.
Deck, you say it doesn't matter, but anyone who wants to play the season standings (it's a personal choice of the manager), well he'd better find something else now ^^
These points should have been included in the manager's total tally, not in the tally for the current season^^
Some people like to have a little extra line on the prize list....

Deck: Ça donne des points sur un classement qui n'a finalement que très peu d'importance.
Ça ne donne pas de bonus pour ton championnat ou ta coupe.
C'était pour réagir aux cercles de légendes et permettre aux clubs de gagner plus de points par saison

The points could be added to the clubs without being taken into account for the ranking

I didn't say I was for it 😅
We agree that anyone who wants to try for a top 10 finish will now have to win both the cup and the league or/and the LDC

Deck: J'ai pas dit que j'étais pour 😅
On est d'accord que celui qui veut tenter un top 10 devra dorénavant passer par le doublé coupe + championnat ou/et LDC

And we'll still have to catch the winner of the LdC, who will certainly not be a beginner...good luck to the contenders^^

We need to propose a small improvement project.
To see if it can be implemented

Socrate,
As I've said in previous posts...anything but points on the current season or lowering the caption threshold.

Or take away the season's standings. It doesn't make any sense any more.

But I'm not going to write it. 😝
It was so that it would resonate more with the right people.
In a post like that, I'm not sure it will resonate strongly enough.
Mais en vrai qui sait ..
But I understand the opinion and share it.

estac: Les points pourraient être ajouter aux clubs sans qu'ils soient pris en compte pour le classement

Totally logical!
The extra points were only added for the total points tally, they're not supposed to affect the season standings. That would solve that problem and there would be no more debate.

Humour

What surprises me is that this ranking is so important after all, when it should have been reshaped all along.

Alexandre67310: C’est clairement pas très logique.. autant supprimer ce classement direct, comme déjà dis le vainqueur de la ldc sera 1er 100% du temps

I'm not shocked by the fact that the winner of the LDC is awarded a large number of points, but only if the points are awarded in a pyramid like this:
100 pts to the winner but then 80 pts to the runner-up 65 pts to the semi-finalists, 50 pts to the quarter-finalists 30 pts to the 1/8-finalists and 20 pts to the 1/16-finalists and 10 pts to the 1/32-finalists
And the same goes for the VFFA CUp, with, for example, half the points for the LDC depending on the stage of the competition.

Otherwise, it's clear that 100 pts for the LDC winner and 0 pts for all the others will mean that all the clubs (except one!) will have to do no more than try to get second place :) :)

Or, given that it serves no purpose at all (or there's something I've missed), we'll do away with the season rankings. Frankly, it's already based largely on arranged friendlies, so is it really worth the headache?

İ love you fans

Demi-cerveau: Ou alors, vu qu'il ne sert finalement à rien du tout (ou alors y'a un truc qui m'a échappé), on fait disparaitre le classement de la saison. Franchement, déjà que c'est un classement basé en très grande partie sur des matchs amicaux arrangés, est ce que ça vaut bien le coup de se prendre la tête sur ce truc ?

Seen from this angle, we can also say that the overall VF ranking is, by hypothesis, useless, since it is the sum of the last 3 rankings of the season, which would themselves be useless, according to you.

But what about the ranking

• training centres #ranking?type=juniors based on futsal tournaments arranged by certain players
• #ranking?type=championnat championships totally influenced by the number of registered clubs
• scorers #ranking?type=buteurs based on the random posting of a scorer's name, drawn during a match
• trainers #ranking?type=formation based on what has become of the players in your CDF that 90% of the time you haven't even trained
• transfers #ranking?type=transferts based on who will be geekier than the neighbour by making 10 transfers a day
  etc, etc,

In short, what's the point of rankings in this game? And in the end, what's the point of playing VF and trying to compare yourself to the others if you don't sign up for any leagues and just play friendly matches against inactive players all season long?

Frankly, I'm not sure what you're criticising about the season rankings, which can certainly be improved on (but like everything else in this world) but still represent something (I'm talking, of course, about those who play VF in search of a milligram of adrenaline to try and win a match).

If you ask 100 people who sail, you'll always find a certain number who will say that there's no point in taking part in regattas where the ranking is ridiculous because it will depend on the quality of the opponent's equipment or any other criterion, and that they prefer to sail to get a breath of fresh air and that they don't give a damn about optimising their sail trim.

Damn, I've gone from 1st in the transfer rankings to geekier than my neighbour 😢 it's a long way down...
Well, I guess my plan to boost my ego by adding the top seller to the list isn't going to go down too well. Shame, I also wanted to play the game of who has the longest track record 😂

myforsans: Vu sous cet angle on peut alors également dire que le classement général VF ne sert par hypothèse à rien, puisqu'il est l'addition des 3 derniers classements de la saison qui eux mêmes ne serviraient, selon toi, à rien.

Mais alors que dis-tu du classement

• des centres de formation #ranking?type=juniors basé sur des tournois futsal arrangés par certains
• des championnats #ranking?type=championnat totalement influencé par le nombre de clu...

And no, the general ranking is used to calculate the index, which has a direct impact on the club's finances, so it does serve a purpose. I think it's great that the clubs that have won a competition in the last 3 seasons are now rewarded in this ranking, and can compete with the champions of arranged friendly matches. I think we could be quite happy with this ranking, without needing the season's ranking as well.

After that, all the other rankings you mentioned, if you want my profound opinion on the matter ... I don't see what point they serve today either. So if you want to launch an improvement project calling for them to be abolished, because I've seen that you have some excellent arguments, you have my full support.

I don't agree with the "uselessness" of the rankings, quite simply because we play each other for the competition and there is no competition without results and rankings. Well, for me always.
I ignored the rankings for a long time, but that doesn't make them any less interesting for those who play them. The top players in this ranking are not managers who play one easy friendly after another. They do, but they're not the majority (20% of Skyz's points -1st - last season).

A string of friendlies will get you a top 15/20 finish, at most. But after that, you need to hit the biggest index, and the big indexes are only available in official competition, so you need to play and win D1 and LdC matches. Reading the top 10 proves that every season.

So yes, if you don't have what it takes to make the top 10/15, doesn't that mean the ranking is useless? And if it amuses some managers, like the other rankings for that matter, doesn't that make it de facto useful?

On the other hand, where I agree with Demi, it's normal that the competitions won are represented in this ranking. It validates a manager's good season. And it's logical that the winner of the LdC should appear as "Club of the season" if, in addition to the LdC, he's performed well enough. It should appear on the season won, though.
Is it technically as obvious as that for Aymeric? And how can it be displayed since points are only awarded at the end of the season? Maybe that's why A45 decided to apply it to the following season.

Cup points are allocated in the middle of the season, as soon as the cup is over (i.e. when all the clubs have the "Cup: Final" notification). So for the LdC and national cups, I don't think there's any point
For the championships, they are finalised at the time of the "Championship: Competition bonus" notification or something like that, for the winners eligible for bonuses. They are therefore finalised in the first few hours of season S+1. The points are allocated at that point. Admittedly, it's not great, but that doesn't mean they're lost. It's good for season S+1, but... Yes, it could be improved, but I don't think it's that bad.

As for the season rankings, I think Pierabou has said it all. It has its rules, and it's up to us to play it as it is. Nobody's being forced. What's more, I'd invite those who disparage (and I say this without any animosity) this ranking to play it for a season, to see if it's that simple. As for the friendlies, last season I played 18 of them, over 56 days... But anyone can replace them with unofficial cups! If that's the case, you can even get more than 3 points maximum (to be checked). Otherwise, to get the maximum number of points, you need to play the LdC/VFFA, the national cup, have a strong championship with big indices, play event cups, and play 10 IE to maximise the chances of getting points (but with the risks that go with that).
Frankly, it's far from easy. The friendlies are blocked at 3 points. I think you'll find it hard to make a TOP10 with just friendlies... But you can play whenever you want! You can even get your youngsters to play and work on your affinities by collecting 3 points. Management, then?
In short, nobody is forced to play anything. It's all about having fun. Of course, this is a very biased opinion, as I'm not too badly ranked at the moment.
Let's just have fun

I've read your arguments. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me in concrete terms what the season's ranking allows you to play for more than the general ranking, which in turn doesn't really care which season the championship or cup bonus is awarded in, since it's smoothed out over 3 seasons. I'm not stopping anyone from playing the league table, that's up to you. I'm just saying that there's one too many of the two, in my opinion, as they reward exactly the same thing, consistency of performance. It's true that it'll make for a few less long-winded prize lists, but I think that the twenty or so clubs that feel concerned should be able to make do with the line rewarding the overall ranking. At least, I hope so.

Otherwise, the question about the LDC is a legitimate one, since the club that won it last season has never received a single point, either this season or the last.

Exactly for Gauthier.
He didn't get the points for the game.
I've done it manually and it looks good in his club, but not in the season's standings.
I went back to A45.
I'm waiting to hear back.
I'll wait and get back to Gauthier in due course.

Demi-cerveau: J'ai bien lu vos arguments. J'attends toujours que quelqu'un me dise concrètement ce que le classement de la saison permet de jouer de plus que le classement général, sur lequel du coup on se fout pas mal de savoir en quelle saison est attribuée la prime de championnat ou de coupe, puisque c'est lissé sur 3 saisons. Je n'empêche personne de jouer le classement, libre à vous. Je dis juste que sur les deux il y en a un de trop, à mon avis, puisqu'ils récompensent exactement la même chose, la ré...

it's a success, even if the other 3 seasons were not.
A D1 champion who is not used to being one and who has also made a good cup, good IE and good friendlies

Pierabou: il valorise une saison réussie même si les 3 autres saisons ont été ratées.
Un champion de D1 qui n'a pas l'habitude de l'être et qui a coté a fait une bonne coupe, de bons IE et de bons amicaux ; qui le voit donc valoriser par une ligne au palmarès sur le classement de la saison.

They already have me league title in their trophy cabinet, if we take your example
And then you say add a line so you have to claim the top 3, and for a "normal" club that's just having a very good season, dsl but I doubt it'll go for anything but the top 10 of the season's standings 🤭😉

so, read again, I didn't stop at the D1 title

Demi-cerveau: Ou alors, vu qu'il ne sert finalement à rien du tout (ou alors y'a un truc qui m'a échappé), on fait disparaitre le classement de la saison. Franchement, déjà que c'est un classement basé en très grande partie sur des matchs amicaux arrangés, est ce que ça vaut bien le coup de se prendre la tête sur ce truc ?

I'm of the same opinion. And it's not the only useless classification. After that, everyone sees a game as they see it and enjoys it differently. So I understand that, for some people, this ranking is gratifying and that they want it.

I like the season's standings and I'd like them to be clean, that's all.
Not points awarded at the start of the season based on past performance
Sorry, but that's rubbish....

Drosko: Moi j'aime bien le classement de la saison et j'aimerai qu'il soit clean, c'est tout.
Pas des pts attribués en début de saison sur une performance passée
Désolé, mais c'est nul....

In fact, I think that the awarding of championship victory points is the result of a programme that is integrated into the chain of programmes that are launched at the change of season.

Seen from the outside, it seems simple to do things differently, but perhaps that's not the case because we don't have the technical constraints of programming the game.

So the question is: couldn't the programme that generates the 30 points for winning the league be triggered a day earlier, given that the last league matches take place on the Thursday of the last week and that on Friday the league standings no longer change?

Drosko: Moi j'aime bien le classement de la saison et j'aimerai qu'il soit clean, c'est tout.
Pas des pts attribués en début de saison sur une performance passée
Désolé, mais c'est nul....

We can also talk about arranged friendlies in this case 😉

In absolute terms, I wouldn't find it illogical to take into account only matches in official competitions (leave out friendlies and even organised cups), even if the points scale had to be readjusted.

Drezzo35: On peut parler des amicaux arrangés aussi dans ce cas là 😉

Arranged friendlies are 3 pts max....after Aymeric can't fight against everything^^
Personally, I don't like arranged friendlies ...

I have 100% inactives in friendlies

Drosko: Les amicaux arrangés, c'est 3 pts maxi....après Aymeric ne peut pas lutter contre tout^^
Moi perso pas d'ami aux arrangés ...

3 pts max that you multiply by 3 per friend ...
Knowing that in a friendly it's the most you can get, it's still a nice non-negotiable advantage, especially if you have a good address book 😁😉
Just in case, I'm not aiming at you, my drosko 😘

Drezzo35: 3 pts max que tu multiplie par 3 par copain ...
Sachant qu'en amical c'est le max que tu puisses avoir , ça reste un belle avantage non négociable surtout si t'as un bon carnet d'adresse 😁😉
Je précise au cas où je te vise aucunement mon drosko 😘

No worries Drezzo.
The forum is first and foremost a place for exchanging ideas, even if all too often things get out of hand.
I agree with you, but it's complicated to control everything.