Hi all, I know that you are all having a big sleep at this time but I just spend a little time playing the game to try out even more cultured my knowledge fell by this Forum #forum?topic=160487
It's not if I will be punished for having spoken about the decisions of the administrators but I read and authorized myself but I note that the sanctions are really heavy, there are only deletions of the clubs I find it a bit unfair to delete a club that has embezzled more than 600M but that has done more than 5 years in the game and I am not only talking about the time but also the embezzlement of the Like, things to expect when you're an admin, I think that these are sanctions that can be taken if the mistake is made repeatedly.
A manager who has embezzled finances and a manager who throws incorrect words at the other who deserves a great sanction.
Good night to all

It is very clearly stated in the rules that the use of multiple accounts will be sanctioned by a permanent block...

Metre: Salut tous je sais que vous faites tous un gros dodo à cette heure ci mais moi je passer juste un peu du temps au jeu pour essayer des cultivés encore plus mes connaissances suis tombé par ce Forum #forum?topic=160487
C'est pas si je serai puni d'avoir parler sur les décisions des administrateurs mais je lut et se autorisée mais je constatée que les sanctions sont vraiment lourdes il n'y a que des suppressions des clubs je trouve ça un peu injuste de supprimer un cl...

Do you think it's fair to delete a club that embezzled 600million?? Hot

Remember the A series where a big % of the team was relegated and financially sanctioned
For match-fixing and betting it seems to me.
There are rules, 600M is a hell of a lot of money on the game.
Managers who have been there since the beginning of the game have not or even never had this amount in the bank.
Many agree not even this amount.
So I approve of this sanction

Looked at the definitive removal of a club as a life sentence in criminal matters and I don't think that a misappropriation leads to a life sentence I believe that Barcelona fans can explain this because they have lived without forgetting that this money is imaginary while there are clubs suppress that put real money at stake I think they should have been offered a second chance there is better to make that the definitive suppression of a sudden the act is discovered

Perhaps compared to what is comparable would be a good start in the acceptance of the regulation and the sanctions that result from it.

A second chance?
And what do you think will happen the second time?
We all make mistakes and mistakes deserve a second chance, but cheating is a deliberate act that the perpetrator knows full well will result in a sanction if it is discovered. If the sanction is not a deterrent, the desire to cheat will always be stronger.

600M is equivalent to a bank 😁 robbery

lens59: 600M quand même c'est équivalent à un braquage de banque 😁

Even diverting her 600M of imaginary money when you have 5 or 3 years at gambling and every month you put your 20 to 30€ at gambling is how much during all its 30×12×5 years.
Afterwards I permanently deleted from the game for having embezzled imaginary money while I invested my money and my time in it another first mistake during my time spent at the game.
So if we made a vote who can want us to pay 600M to his club and who can also want us to give him 30×12×5€.
I'm not saying that this doesn't deserve a severe sanction, it is deserved, but there are many other sanctions that can be applied by putting aside the permanent deletion which will only apply in case of repetition

Metre: Même la détourner 600M de l'argent imaginaire alors que t'a 5 ou 3 ans au jeu et que chaque mois tu met tes 20 à 30€ au jeu ça fait combien durant toute ses années 30×12×5 .
Par après mes supprimés définitivement au jeu pour avoir détourner de l'argent imaginaire pendant que j'y ai investi mon argent et mon temps encore une première erreur pendant mon temps passé au jeu.
Alors si on faisait un vote qui peut vouloir qu'on versé 600M à son club et qui peut aussi vouloir qu'on lui donne 30×12×5€...

Putting money into the game doesn't allow you to do anything though, I don't think it's that complicated to play without cheating or breaking the rules

It's all the more stupid to cheat and embezzle fictitious money if you throw real money into the game with a risk of getting blocked. If people could play without exploiting flaws, cheating or whatever, it wouldn't be too bad.

Metre: Même la détourner 600M de l'argent imaginaire alors que t'a 5 ou 3 ans au jeu et que chaque mois tu met tes 20 à 30€ au jeu ça fait combien durant toute ses années 30×12×5 .
Par après mes supprimés définitivement au jeu pour avoir détourner de l'argent imaginaire pendant que j'y ai investi mon argent et mon temps encore une première erreur pendant mon temps passé au jeu.
Alors si on faisait un vote qui peut vouloir qu'on versé 600M à son club et qui peut aussi vouloir qu'on lui donne 30×12×5€...

That you put money in doesn't give you permission to bend the rules: playing VF implies respecting the rules put in place for it, and not ignoring the points that don't suit you.
If you make a one-time and accidental mistake, your account will certainly not be deleted: this last point will happen in the case of voluntary cheating.

Everything is said. 😊

You hadn't understood me yet the problems are not there cheating but the sanction I think that everyone has an amount that they spend on their games each month let's take the same example I do 3 years in the game and that I put 30€ in the game each month that's 1800€ guys enough to pay for a PS 5 with all the versions updated then blocked my account because of my first mistake at the game if the rules are put in place because we know that they are bypassed.
My problem is on this rather severe sanction but there are other sanctions if he embezzled 600M why not bring it back to 0 instead of breaking everything.

It would be a little too realistic if we could escape sanctions based on our wallet. :o)

Even 40 years of play is 600M if I am president of an association or other, even 40 years and I embezzle money, do we give a second chance?
I was seized all house, car, bank account ect...

No, but I think we're all idiots, we don't understand. So let's continue to understand nothing and to play as cleanly as possible.

After that, just right, not all sanctions are so "harsh". It all depends on the degree of the fault, the fault itself, whether it is a recurrence or not, and a whole lot of other things.
In the case you raise, it seems that it is a scheme with several clubs, multis, etc. This is little more than a "small mistake". It's something that is intentional, that lasts over time, surely, on a large scale.

Metre: Vous m'aviez encore pas compris les problèmes n'est pas là triche mais la sanction je pense que chacun à un montant qu'il dépense à ses jeux chaque mois prennons la même exemple je fais 3 ans au jeu et que je met 30€ au jeu chaque mois ça fait 1800€ les gars de quoi se payer une PS 5 avec toutes les versions actualisé puis bloqué mon compte à cause de ma première erreur au jeu si le règlement sont mis en place se parceque nous savons qu'ils sont contourner.
Mon problème est sur cette sanction...

That would be far too easy.

Bringing a bank to zero would be useless. Of the 600M embezzled, he may have already spent 500 and have launched his club by cheating.

For me, there is no second chance possible in a case like this.

Le vrai stéphanois: Tu trouves un juste de supprimer un club qui a détourné 600millions?? Chaud

I want to say, just don't cheat, no risk of sanction or club cancellation. You accept the risk if you want to try your luck. If you don't want to risk anything, well you don't try to cheat.

The problem is that the 600M are imaginary but the money we invest in the game and time is not imaginary is real.
I'm not saying not to sanction but to bring the bank back to 0 the infrastructures to level 1 cancelling the recent transfers would already be a good way to sanction cheating when you know how long it takes to evolve its infrastructures more than 2 years by the way this is the most discouraging sanction of all for me

Metre: Vous m'aviez encore pas compris les problèmes n'est pas là triche mais la sanction je pense que chacun à un montant qu'il dépense à ses jeux chaque mois prennons la même exemple je fais 3 ans au jeu et que je met 30€ au jeu chaque mois ça fait 1800€ les gars de quoi se payer une PS 5 avec toutes les versions actualisé puis bloqué mon compte à cause de ma première erreur au jeu si le règlement sont mis en place se parceque nous savons qu'ils sont contourner.
Mon problème est sur cette sanction...

What I don't understand is why you often put forward the example of a person who has put money on the game and whose account would be permanently blocked.
It's as if you wanted to say that putting "enough to buy a PS5 with all the updated versions" on VF should avoid being punished like the others in case of cheating.
If a manager finds himself with his account blocked, it is because he has reached a level where he cheats knowingly and brings him a very significant profit: we are not talking about two new players who would have made a sale below the prices of the trading table due to ignorance.

Anyway it's the bumps that decide the sanction
So there is no debate

Yes, that's what I think for me the permanent deletion is not a good measure when I think that bringing the bank back to 0 and the level 1 infrastructures and cancelling the recent transfers would still be a crueler sanction than the permanent deletion of the account

Don't cheat and there will be 0 account resets, be reassured 😉

600M next to my 80MM is not much, let's see.

I have the impression that I am reading a debate on refusals to comply where the problem never comes from the one who makes a mistake but from the one who catches him in the act.

It's crazy news, but 100% of people who don't cheat are not punished.

In a TV news today he explained that a tobacconist received a letter with a €50 note
This letter explained that when he was a child he stole candy and that now as an adult he regrets and pays his debt 😁.

There are some who want to stick to the IRL. So I say in February 2024, a guy was sentenced to 3 years in prison, including 1 year in prison for embezzling money from a departmental council. Let's apply the same thing here. A ban for the duration of the prison term.
Knowing that on VF, it's 600 M that was diverted and in irl it was 400,000
I take out my little abacus:
60M / 400,000 = 1,500 so let's ban the cheater for 1500 years. His club will not be dissolved.
With that, I take my place again at the zinc. Waiter, I can have a 22nd pint

Being in poker with a moderator it's wrong in the comma he banned a player 9,000000 years 😁

Se why the sanction of definitive deletion is bad thought to modify it a little the barcelonner knew their history but I never heard a club remove itself not even real

Just like VF which is not real.

Metre: Le problème est que se 600M sont imaginaire mais l'argent que nous investissons au jeu et le temps c'est pas imaginaire se réel.
Je ne dit pas de ne pas sanctionné mais ramener la banque à 0 les infrastructures au niveau 1 annuler les transferts récent ça serait déjà une bonne manière des sanctionné la tricherie quand on connaît combien de temps ça prend pour faire évoluer ses infrastructures plus de 2 ans d'ailleurs ce la sanction la plus décourageante de tous pour moi

I think I'm dreaming when I read you... So I'll tell you one thing: putting money in the store is your business. But that doesn't give you the right or a blank check to cheat. It would be shameful of us to make a difference between managers when it comes to sanctioning. So, according to you, we shouldn't block a club that has put money IRL, but we can do it for a manager who hasn't put a radish in the game. I'll tell you right away: your argument is unacceptable. Justice is the same for everyone, period.

Le vrai stéphanois: Tu trouves un juste de supprimer un club qui a détourné 600millions?? Chaud

I'm leaving 😅

lens59: 600M quand même c'est équivalent à un braquage de banque 😁

600M the sum of the bank of all the level 1 clubs on VF I think and mm 2

lens59: 600M quand même c'est équivalent à un braquage de banque 😁

How do you know it's this amount? 🤔🔎

I received 50% 🤣
well it's written everywhere and even in the admin news

Blagoje Vidinic: Une deuxième chance ?
Et que crois-tu qu'il se passera la deuxième fois ?
On fait tous des erreurs et les erreurs méritent une seconde chance, mais la triche est un acte délibéré dont l'auteur sait pertinemment que sa découverte entraînera une sanction. Si la sanction n'est pas dissuasive, l'envie de tricher sera toujours plus forte.

I'm sure you first suggested sending you to the gulag but the other admins reasoned with you, admit the Blagoje! Admit! 🤣😘

lens59: J'ai touché 50% 🤣
ben c'est écris partout et même dans les news administrateur

No, but I was talking in the bank's safes, how do you know that 600M 👀🙈 ago

I have the plans and the account 😉 books

As a recent player on the game (8 months), I spend a lot of time on a daily basis and invest a lot in it, like certainly many other players. Whether he is a 5-month-old, 5-month-old or 10-year-old player, the sanction must be the same. Otherwise, what is the message conveyed to other players, especially to recent players?! I understand that some have been on the game for a very long time, but if we want the game to last and continue to develop, the voices of newer players must also be heard (except when it's to read huge nonsense!, but the older ones say a lot too! :p).
And then, if for some, 600M is not big, for "rookies" like me, it's huge and it remains a completely utopian sum today.

Colombpal85: Je suis sur que tu as suggéré en premier lieu un envoi au goulag mais que les autres admins t'ont raisonné, reconnais le Blagoje ! Avoue ! 🤣😘

So there the gulag and the whippings are a bibi so don't touch it! Each of these methods 🤭😘

Drezzo35: Alors là le goulag et les coups de fouets c'est a bibi donc pas touche ! Chacun ces méthodes 🤭😘

How do you take advantage of the method..? It's for a friend (adrimax if you pass by....)

Drezzo35: Alors là le goulag et les coups de fouets c'est a bibi donc pas touche ! Chacun ces méthodes 🤭😘

Hello kamarad Drezzo... I am outraged by your appropriation of the use of the Gulag as a "therapy" aimed at political re-education.
On the other hand, I have no doubt about your use of whipping in the context of collective punishment, even if you tend to divert this use for more masochistic pleasures... perverse!

Metre: Salut tous je sais que vous faites tous un gros dodo à cette heure ci mais moi je passer juste un peu du temps au jeu pour essayer des cultivés encore plus mes connaissances suis tombé par ce Forum #forum?topic=160487
C'est pas si je serai puni d'avoir parler sur les décisions des administrateurs mais je lut et se autorisée mais je constatée que les sanctions sont vraiment lourdes il n'y a que des suppressions des clubs je trouve ça un peu injuste de supprimer un cl...

600M??
I understand better the sentence "Everything you say will turn against you"

King: 600M ??
Je comprends mieux la phrase « Tout ce que vous direz, se retournera contre-vous »

You don't understand what I'm talking about.
I'm not saying that those who embezzle money shouldn't be punished, but I'm talking about how they should apply the punishments if we reset the Sum in the bank to zero and the infrastructure to level 1 won't it already be a sanction as severe as the abolition of the clubs when we all know the trouble to rebuild its infrastructure and finances

Don't cheat and you won't have to ask yourself the question 👌

OncleOink: Bonjour kamarad Drezzo... je m'insurge de ton appropriation de utilisation goulag en tant que "thérapie" visant à rééducation politique.
En revanche, je n'ai aucun doute sur ton utilisation fouet dans cadre de punitions collectives, même si tu as tendance à détourner cet usage pour des plaisirs plus masochistes... pervers !

I keep what worked excellently when I was at the head of the magnificent Hungarian selection in the free world cup my dear kamarad. I could have very well talked about foam parties too, but I would have had the ecologists who would have come to in the bronchi 🤭

The sanctions are very good.

Already having 600 m on VF is like a dream for me.
Diverting 600 m is huge, and the only sanction that can have is a ban.

So the admin team is right.