why not block for three/four days, or even 7 days the returns from loans (when the club has 32 players in the current squad) by sending them to a fitness center (like CDF).? of course, for that Aymeric would have to create a "fitness center" here is my idea which I think would avoid the surplus of players beyond 32 ahahahlalala my god, I had an idea :p

There is a simpler thing to set up. If upon returning from loan, you exceed 32 players, the player is automatically sent to the auction at 0. That would solve a lot of problems and no one could take advantage of the bug to have more than 32 players. Besides, isn't it written in the rules that it is forbidden to take advantage of a bug?

estac: Il y a une chose plus simple à mettre en place.

Si au retour de prêt, tu dépasses les 32 joueurs, le joueur est envoyé automatiquement au enchère à 0.
Ca réglerait pas mal de problème et plus personne pourrait profiter du bug pour avoir plus de 32 joueurs.

D'ailleurs, il n'est pas écrit dans le règlement qu'il est interdit de profiter d'un bug ?

It's a bit excessive to send to auction, just block its return if necessary, but I don't see why that bothers you.....

I tend to agree with sending it to auction, it's harsh, but loan returns need to be prepared, or they need to be prolonged.

junior: C'est un peu abusé de envoyer au enchère ,juste bloqué son retour a la rigueur,mais je voie pas où ça vous dérange.....

There are 32 players per club. We are on a management game, each player has to manage their club with the possibilities offered. Taking advantage of a bug to manage your club, doesn't that bother you?

I'm not sure it's a bug because it's 32+12 And I've always known about this principle and it's never been hidden Aymeric is aware of it as are the admins But I understand that if we take this for a flaw then yes it's not normal

junior: Je suis pas sûr que se sois un bug car c'est 32+12
Et que se principe je les toujours connu et ça a jamais était caché
Aymeric est au courant tout comme les admins
Mais je comprends que si on prend ça pour une faille alors oui c'est pas normal

Yes you can have 32 players in your club and 12 on loan. The only ways to have more than 32 players are to have a loan return or to buy a player during a selection (federation or is). The game does not allow you to do this deliberately by buying a player when you have 32 players. If the game does not allow you to do it by doing a simple action, it means that there is the use of a bug or a flaw as you say.

Before loan returns were not possible when you had 32 players, it was automatically extended. It was a good solution.

Nitnelav: Avant les retours de prêt n'étaient pas possible quand tu avais 32 joueurs, c'était automatiquement prolongé. C'était une bonne solution.

It is probably still the simplest to implement.

Nitnelav: Avant les retours de prêt n'étaient pas possible quand tu avais 32 joueurs, c'était automatiquement prolongé. C'était une bonne solution.

There were those who abused and did not recover their players and for the receiving clubs it was part of the management of the club, if they wished to receive other loans..

estac: Il est prévu 32 joueurs par club.
Nous sommes sur un jeu de gestion, à chacun de gérer son club avec les possibilités offertes.

Profiter d'un bug pour gérer son club, ça ne te dérange pas ?

That's not a solution, it's really disgusting to lose a player like that. It's really extreme. I had to get 2 players back urgently 3 days before the end because the guy was absent for a while. I had 29 players, so 31 plus 3 who were coming back at the end of the season. I managed with difficulty not to exceed the quota. Afterwards, I also had trouble selling players, even though the prices were in the price range, so what you're proposing, friend, is not really for you, especially when you have young players on loan.

kiki-sainté: C est pas une solution ça, c est même vraiment dégueulasse de perdre un joueur de cette façon
C est vraiment extrême
Moi j ai du récupéré 2 joueurs en urgence à 3 jours de la fin car le mec est absent pendant un moment j avais 29 joueurs donc 31 plus 3 qui revenait en fin de saison j ai réussi difficilement à ne pas dépassé le quota
Après j ai eu ausssi du mal à vendre des joueurs pourtant les prix étaient dans les prix du tableau donc ce que tu proposes l ami estac pas trop p

We are on a management game. You have the possibility to extend the loans or to sell before their return. I do not find the constraint insurmountable

estac: Nous sommes sur un jeu de gestion.
Tu as la possibilité de prolonger les prêts ou de vendre avant leur retour. Je ne trouve pas la contrainte insurmontable

To sell before their return uhhhh sell other players yes but it is harder and harder to sell, we sell at a loss given the drop in prices a player who was worth 70M is worth more than 22M5 and I even have a player who doesn't even have an estimate But that's another subject, if you want to sell the player you loaned you have to wait for his return and if you already have 32 players and everything is useful to you it's annoying after I didn't say it's not feasible but quite complicated in certain situations

If from the beginning we could not have more than 32 players and the loans were automatically extended the debate would not even have taken place. The "flaw" or bug in question brings a comfort that you have become accustomed to, as estac says it is a management game, so let's manage. But let's not circumvent the rules.

Fougch: Si dès le début on ne pouvait pas avoir plus de 32 joueurs et que les prêts étaient prolongés d’office le débat n’aurait même pas eu lieu.
La « faille » ou le bug en question apporte un confort dont vous vous êtes habitué, comme dit estac c’est un jeu de gestion, alors gérons. Mais ne contournons pas les règles.

Extending a loan may be a solution for the lender, but the borrower may no longer want these players, so we penalize the borrower....

I said this for the sake of example, but you're right, and it breaks another rule: the club that receives the player must accept the extension. If they don't accept, player at auction at 0?

The best solution (and the simplest and most effective) is to leave the player in the borrowing club as long as the lending club is at the maximum. - It remains to be determined whether 32 is the right number, because that too can change - It also remains to be determined whether this blockage would only concern long-term loans or also IS loans because suddenly it is the coach who can end up with too many players... without his full consent 😀 Another solution would be that there are no limits and that everyone is free because contrary to what some say there are not only advantages to having a lot of players: salaries to pay, less playing time per player, less acquisition of affinity etc.. and above all a player losing value as he ages, there is no point in keeping him if he hardly ever plays. If it is a management game, knowing how to optimize your squad is also good management If there is no limit, in my opinion no club will have 40 players. That's why claiming, as some do, that having 33 or 34 players instead of 32 is an advantage that makes you switch to cheating, to the fault or whatever else, is blindness.

An auction would be more effective and managers will be more careful, as many point out we are in a management game this obviously involves loan returns, an auto loan extension is not appropriate this can penalize the borrowing club but it is the lending club and only it which must be,

An auction sale sorry but it's disgusting to do that, we will pay the sale fees when we didn't ask for anything The only solution is to leave 1 week to regularize after ok on sale if you want but not to do it automatically, many do not come to the vforum so the bug part will be overloaded by leaving 1 week with a warning be careful you have 32 players and players are coming back soon to your team (or else make this message 1 week before the end of the season)

kiki-sainté: Une mise en vente aux encheres désolé mais c est dégueulasse de faire ça, on va payé les frais de vente alors que l on n à rien demander
La seul solution est de laisser 1 semaine pour se régulariser après ok en vente si vous voulez mais pas le faire d office, beaucoup ne viennent pas sur le vforum donc la partie bug va être surchargé en laissant 1 semaine avec un avertissement attention vous avez 32 joueurs et des joueurs reviennent bientôt dans votre équipe (ou alors faire ce messa

It's not disgusting like you say. Loans last 56 days, you have 56 days to anticipate their return. Why add an extra week? Why should the biggest borrower suffer your mismanagement?

estac: Ce n'est pas dégueulasse comme tu dis. Les prêts durent 56j, tu as 56j pour anticiper leur retour. Pourquoi ajouter une semaine supplémentaire ?
Pourquoi le plus emprunteur devrait subir ta mauvaise gestion ?

I didn't say 1 more week in the borrowing club I said 1 week to regularize, I had 3 teams at one time 12 loans including 10 young people hard to quickly make room but I succeeded this season really it was just

myforsans: La meilleure solution (et la plus simple et efficace) reste de laisser le joueur dans le club emprunteur tant que le club prêteur est au maximum.

• Reste à déterminer si 32 est le bon chiffre, Car ça aussi ça peut évoluer
• Reste à déterminer égalemebt si ce blocage ne concernerait que les prêts longue durée ou aussi les prêts IS car du coup c'est le sélectionneur qui peut se retrouver avec trop de joueurs...à l'insu de son plein gré 😀

Une autre solution serait qu'il n'y ait

We can no longer delete part of the quote. I wanted to answer this part "If it's a management game, knowing how to optimize your squad is also good management" When talking about optimizing your squad, are you talking about making sure to exceed 32 players? Naturalizations for federations bothered you even though they were authorized and there was no need to circumvent the rule to do them. To have a squad greater than 32 (limit displayed on our clubs), you have to circumvent the rule and that doesn't bother you. You even find it "normal".

myforsans: La meilleure solution (et la plus simple et efficace) reste de laisser le joueur dans le club emprunteur tant que le club prêteur est au maximum.

• Reste à déterminer si 32 est le bon chiffre, Car ça aussi ça peut évoluer
• Reste à déterminer égalemebt si ce blocage ne concernerait que les prêts longue durée ou aussi les prêts IS car du coup c'est le sélectionneur qui peut se retrouver avec trop de joueurs...à l'insu de son plein gré 😀

Une autre solution serait qu'il n'y ait

I think it's a shame to minimize the players' overshoot so much. Having 4 extra players for example, is potentially offering 4 additional tactical solutions (for example 4 players 99 marking + a different style to adapt to each opponent). There are certainly not only advantages but there are advantages that are quite problematic and beyond that, I don't see why most clubs would make choices and sacrifices to respect this limit when others exceed this limit by far and for quite long periods.

Group and individual training sessions could also be cancelled as long as a team has more than 32 players in its squad. If an overcrowded team can no longer train its players, there is no doubt that the manager concerned will not be slow to comply.

Which proves that Lebaygue doesn't just talk nonsense :D

estac: Ce n'est pas dégueulasse comme tu dis. Les prêts durent 56j, tu as 56j pour anticiper leur retour. Pourquoi ajouter une semaine supplémentaire ?
Pourquoi le plus emprunteur devrait subir ta mauvaise gestion ?

If you want to sell the player you loaned you have to sell another one so that he can sell the loan again, that's a bit of a shame, isn't it?

Why not a sort of buffer zone, a sort of list of unregistered players where players would be automatically put in the cases mentioned above. The players would be unusable, in training as much as in matches, as long as a place does not become available. A sort of compromise.

Galywat: Pourquoi pas une sorte de zone tampon, une sorte de liste de joueurs non inscrits où les joueurs seraient automatiquement mis dans les cas cites ci au dessus. Les joueurs seraient inutilisables, aux entraînements autant qu'en match, tant qu'une place ne se libère pas ou que le joueur n'est pas vendu.

Une sorte de compromis.

If these are players who are no longer progressing, the negative impact will therefore be non-existent.

Yes Buffer zone as I said At the beginning (fitness center), players blocked At least 5 to 7 days This gives time to make room in the club, Or increase the workforce to 33 players 🤔

It's still funny, instead of punishing cheaters, we want to find a solution to avoid abuse. It's a left-wing policy in fact xD

spoupou: Si c'est des joueurs qui ne progressent plus l'impact négatif sera inexistant du coup

Why necessarily a negative impact? As said above, it is not always an advantage. Here it would be neutral. The player would be unusable.

Putting players aside is already a negative impact 😁

We need to create a loft to put the players 😁😁😁

The problem seems to have been resolved.

FYI, loans will now be automatically extended if the squad is full. Another point: It will no longer be possible to buy a player or remove a player from the CDF when a player from the squad is called up to IS/Federation. Problem: some borrowing clubs will find themselves stuck with players they no longer want. So, I propose the following solution: When a borrowing club finds itself in this situation, it reports it to an admin who will then contact the lending club. It will give them 7 days to regularize, failing which the player will be put back in their squad and placed on the auction list at €0 for a period of 12 hours.

I want this to be put in the rules please 😀

hazard14: Je veux que sa soit mis dans le règlement svp 😀

If this point is validated, it will actually be added to the regulations 👍

In this case there will be more problems 😀 thank you

Morten34: Pour info, les prêts seront maintenant automatiquement prolongés si l'effectif est complet.
Autre point: Il ne sera plus possible d’acheter un joueur ou de sortir un joueur du CDF quand un joueur de l’effectif sera convoqué en IS/Fédération.

Problème: certains clubs emprunteurs vont se retrouver coincés avec des joueurs dont ils ne veulent plus. Aussi, je vous propose la solution suivante:
Lorsqu’un club emprunteur se retrouve dans ce cas de figure, il le signale à un admin qui e

It's still a huge job for the admins (you in this case). But ok. The rules become unbearable with long rules. Given the phenomena that scratch the slightest thing as soon as it is not written, I completely understand these new lines, but it is so unpleasant, it is enough to get lost for those who do not follow too much.

A monster job, not sure because it is a fairly marginal situation in the end. On the other hand, I quite agree with you about the rules, but how else to do it?

If the loans are extended, for how long? Is it for the whole new season or for x days, x being the time for the loaner's squad to fall back to 31 (which would suppose that every day a program runs through all the players on loan to check which ones can return to the loaner).

Morten34: Un boulot monstre, pas sûr car c’est une situation assez marginale en fin de compte. Par contre, assez d'accord avec toi pour le règlement, mais comment faire sinon?

All clubs that currently have more than 32 players between their loans and the players in their squad are potentially concerned. You yourself are potentially concerned. This is in no way marginal.

So great now you have 32 players in your squad to be at least competitive and 12 ready to prepare the next generation. If tomorrow your partner decides to stop training for you, you either lose your youngster or you are forced to sell a player that you potentially use... I don't really understand, it's not realistic but hey... Why not do like La Liga? Prevent the player who came back 33rd, 34th etc from being fielded... especially since for my part, they systematically (or almost) start again on J1...

Those with 33 players and more to date. In 7 days is there a player who jumps or not?

See with your agreement it is they who submitted the idea 😉

hazard14: Vois avec ton entente c'est eux qui ont soumis l'idée 😉

That's why I have to agree with them...

Hmmmm too bad not to have mentioned the subject, and to propose retained avenues, before making such a problematic update. I think like Demi' that the modification is far from negligible. For me, it was enough simply to legislate, nothing more. A simple inscription on the Regulations that the limit was 32/32 and that an excess led to a sanction (and possibly possible to include a tolerance of a few days at the beginning of the season, why not). Thus, you could resolve the problem without significant consequences. And the regulation avoided any problem. Because there, it is obvious that the problems will be numerous for the teams currently having 12 players on loan. Apart from releasing 12 players at auction (no choice for it to go, the market having been destroyed since the changes of 6 seasons ago, initiating the NG99 en masse), and causing the ruin of some, I do not see any other solution, to absorb this sudden change..... and without reflection, once again (despite Aymeric's approval during the audio to think things over UPSTREAM with the community) With the increased fatigue, it is totally impossible to play with a team every day. Unless we had "guessed" Aymeric's desire for change. So we need 2 squads. 21 players. If you have to deal with loan returns at the end of the season, and therefore leave let's say 6 places vacant (well yeah, if you want to be sure not to have your surpluses at auction!) that barely gives you 5 substitutes to ensure the season... With injuries, cards, and well, bringing in fresh blood, without even daring to talk about tactics with varied profiles. I think that this measure is far from being insignificant. While a simple regulatory regulation was adequate

So the idea of an extra week was retained, that's cool, thank you, by dint of denouncing everything and anything, new rules are imposed and it's logical. I just hope that for the future everyone will look at their club and avoid this kind of story in the future, we are on a game to have fun, cheaters have no place here, that's just my opinion.

Morten34: Pour info, les prêts seront maintenant automatiquement prolongés si l'effectif est complet.
Autre point: Il ne sera plus possible d’acheter un joueur ou de sortir un joueur du CDF quand un joueur de l’effectif sera convoqué en IS/Fédération.

Problème: certains clubs emprunteurs vont se retrouver coincés avec des joueurs dont ils ne veulent plus. Aussi, je vous propose la solution suivante:
Lorsqu’un club emprunteur se retrouve dans ce cas de figure, il le signale à un admin qui e

Perhaps we could include some kind of buttons to indicate whether or not we want to extend the collaboration, so the lender could more easily see which player is likely to have to be replaced elsewhere or vice versa.

Sun's: Peux être que l'on pourrait inclure une sorte de boutons afin de signifier si l'on souhaite prolonger où non la collaboration, ainsi le prêteur pourrait voir plus facilement quel joueur est susceptible de devoir être replacer ailleur ou inversement.

Or extend the loan by a few days to allow more flexibility. Like, 1, 2 or 3 days.