Nicolas-2008 |

18/08/2024

Hello, I no longer see the movement of the Xg, in a match, in the Statistics tab under the possession line. Is this a change or a bug? Thank you Nicolas


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Fontenit85 |

18/08/2024

I was told that now it's only after the match


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Aguado |

18/08/2024

Only at the end of the game now :)


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Hydilik |

18/08/2024

Personally, I think it's a good compromise to display it at the end of the match.


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Nicolas-2008 |

18/08/2024

For me, it was a good indication to know if my tactics were good or not. For me, who am not a great VF tactician, it is a regression. It is an important clue that will handicap me even more... Too bad


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Aguado |

18/08/2024

Having an opportunity tells you the same thing so in the end, it doesn't change much ;)


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Mide |

18/08/2024

The problem is that some people don’t know the difference between expected goal and actual goals. So they come to blow up the forum when something dosent go their way. It is a good compromise

Aguado Avoir une occasion t’indique la même chose donc au final, ça ne change pas grand chose ;)

Sikora |

18/08/2024

Not quite, a 0.12 xg opportunity does not provide the same information as a 0.40 xg opportunity.


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Aguado |

18/08/2024

From the moment it is displayed, whether it is 0.01 or 0.40, it can end up at the bottom


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Sikora |

19/08/2024

She has a better chance of finishing at the bottom with 0.40 chances than 0.01 chances.


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MOUSSDRIX |

18/08/2024

Good evening I liked having this indication...


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Sikora |

19/08/2024

This is why the indicator was interesting.


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El_Sombrero |

22/08/2024

I also discovered today that you can have an opportunity without XG (visible at least, I imagine that the precise number must be 0.001 but not displayed) #match?mid=5854877 PS: Aymeric, put the XG back, it's super useful to understand the dynamics of the match


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22/08/2024

xG are the result of a probability. It doesn't give you the direction of the wind 😄. You can have 2 xp and lose 1-0 against an opponent who has 0.25. Xg should not influence your set-up if you think your system is good.


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Les xG sont le résultat d'une probabilité. Ça donne pas le sens du vent 😄. Tu peux avoir 2 xp et perdre 1-0 contre un adversaire qui as 0.25. Les Xg doivent p…

El_Sombrero |

22/08/2024

The evolution of xG still allows us to understand if your tactic works or not. But if you feel like factually demonstrating the opposite, please do.


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El_Sombrero L'évolution des xG permet tout de même de comprendre si ta tactique marche ou pas. Mais si tu te sens de me démontrer factuellement le contraire, je t'en prie.

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22/08/2024

You can have a great position and not have any luck, that's all. You have a lot of matches or you dominate and you don't have any xg for all that. If you change your vision because of the xg, you risk simply hitting the wall. It's an indicator, but it doesn't mean you're going to win or score. It can be interesting or not relevant. After that, it's up to you to see the game as you wish.


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aymeric45 |

22/08/2024

Indeed, your opponent's XG is not equal to 0, since the game was able to calculate score probabilities. In this case, for this match this value is 0.000217325.


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Blagoje Vidinic |

22/08/2024

2 chances in 1,000,000, that's not much... ^^ Basically, it's just a long clearance from the goalkeeper that was on target.


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Deck |

22/08/2024

I don't want to restart the debate, I finally understood the logic of XGs that are unlocked on fouls, because the "opportunities" or situations that create xgs are too weak to be displayed by themselves. But the "opportunity" event can be displayed with 0xg (0.0001xg) and conversely events with xgs higher than that (0.1xg, 0.05xg etc.) are not high enough to be displayed and we need a foul to unlock? Well it must not be very clear in writing since it is not in my head, and I may not have understood the notion of "opportunities". And that's okay. #freeXG


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aymeric45 |

22/08/2024

I have also updated the score probability calculation system to take into account the special case of teams with 0 XG. It is simply a case where the probability of scoring 0 goals is 100%, not managed by the Poisson law.


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22/08/2024

Hey All,
Rather than being a data nerd;
harmony,
potential miracles,
performance,
passion...
it's better to give hard work and the luck that comes with it a chance.
We should not forget the times when clubs owned by billionaires lost to neighborhood teams.
Have Fun!


Sikora |

22/08/2024

So, will we have a return on this indicator soon?


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Sikora |

22/08/2024

What I don't understand about XGs is why some people struggle with them not respawning mid-match...? That's a good indicator, even more so for beginners.


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junior |

22/08/2024

Personally, I used to throw it away so that it would come back. Today, after several matches without it, I find it better without it because before, I used to give it xg for my match, even though there was no point.


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Luango |

22/08/2024

Totally agree with Sikora, big interest in xG, excellent indicator in match


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Blagoje Vidinic |

22/08/2024

Said the last winner of the Champions League...


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Blagoje Vidinic Dixit le dernier vainqueur de la LDC...

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22/08/2024

Until the next final 😄


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Azby |

22/08/2024

Neither for nor against. Quite the opposite. A small detail that I would like, if we stay on this status quo: the display of xG at half-time of the match, on the commentary that signals half-time.


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22/08/2024

Cum hoc but not proper hoc


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Drosko |

22/08/2024

For me, there is no interest in Xg....When you have understood the broad outlines of MdM, you know what to do on the ground to make it work in your direction, only the luck factor cannot be anticipated.


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22/08/2024

The same


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Drosko |

22/08/2024

I mean: no point in displaying the xG during the match...


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Luango |

22/08/2024

So it doesn't change anything for you whether it is displayed or not.


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22/08/2024

Yes, just that it was a piece of advice. Nothing bad.


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Drosko |

22/08/2024

For me in any case, it doesn't change anything at all... at least not in the latest display version. Previously, the update was done minute by minute, there it allowed to reverse a trend if it was not good for my team. Today, given the number of chances on both sides, the attack/defense ratio... I have a good idea of the xGs of the match.


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johncenawwe |

22/08/2024

I also liked the basic XG indicator that went up when you were well positioned on the field for example or when you had chances to get chances because it was still demonstrative of the course of the match for the majority of matches of course haha. Without it, we get used to it of course, but I find that with it it was better, it gave us an idea of what was happening fictitiously (well positioned, slightly dominant, undermined by the opposing team to such and such a degree). Because, let's not hide it, whoever can see if his team is in a good position to score behind a screen, let him give me the tip lol (and I can't talk about matches where you start with 400 more overall NG than the opponent).


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Drosko |

22/08/2024

There are tactical schemes in certain matches where you feel that you are better or worse in place....now between 2 roughly equal teams, roughly equal sectors, it is much more complicated.... But it is not the updating of the xG 5 or 6 times in the match that will give you the solution^^


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Sikora |

22/08/2024

When you have an increase in Xg of 0.5 it is clearly a sign that you are well positioned and that you should not touch anything, especially if your team is more enduring than the opponent! It is still useful for a beginner who tends to modify styles and tactical options too often...


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Sikora Quand tu as une hausse de Xg de 0,5 c est clairement le signe que tu es bien en place et qu il ne faut rien toucher surtout si ton equipe est plus endurante qu…

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22/08/2024

We don't say that, we say that you can be very well placed and not have xg. It is an indicator of success, not strategic.


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Akram |

22/08/2024

#match?mid=5851179&stats&min=0 In this match the statistics displayed are almost equal, but finally from match to match it is different when we see the xg And also, at the time of the opponent's actions, no sector was dominated and that allows him to Action displayed


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22/08/2024

This is precisely a trap to avoid, focusing on xG.


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Drosko |

22/08/2024

Nobody, I still prefer to have a good xG because the probability of scoring is higher^^


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Drosko |

22/08/2024

Sikora, if your xG has increased by 0.5, there is a technical reason behind it. Over a given period, you can have an increase of 0.5 for 1 opportunity or 3x0.2 xG on 3 opportunities.... Choice to make between 1 sparkling opportunity or a strategy that brings you more actions but less incisive. It all depends on your set-up. I grant you, for beginners, it can be useful.


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Drosko |

22/08/2024

Akram, Your match is interesting, to study closely...you have a much higher conversion rate of your chances in xG. There are many parameters that I do not control in these xG: the captaincy, the affinity, the more frank attack that you have on 1 side, the physique, the style, the aggressiveness, etc, etc... And and and I remain convinced that there are scripts linked to the MdM...and that with each match it changes^^


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Drosko |

22/08/2024

Your xG remains classic for 7 occasions, that of your ADV abnormally low.


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Akram |

22/08/2024

The reading of the match would have been different if the xg were displayed in real time. For the end of the match there is some moov, the question is did the xg increase during these changes or before?


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22/08/2024

I don't remember seeing a non-French coach make tactical choices based on his xG.


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J'ai pas souvenir d'avoir vu un entraîneur hors VF faire des choix tactiques en fonction de ses xG.

El_Sombrero |

22/08/2024

I'm not aware of any trainer outside of French who bases his strategy on pawns that advance in 2D...


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El_Sombrero J'ai pas connaissance d'un entraîneur hors VF basant sa stratégie sur des pions qui avancent en 2D ...

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22/08/2024

No, they work on strategy and a style of play. They readjust their Block in relation to the opponent's position. It's zone management. They don't wait to have an action or take one to do something.


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Drosko |

22/08/2024

Only you remain, overall, your xGs are consistent, those of your ADV are not. 0.55 xG for 6 chances, that doesn't fit...in the parameters of his team or his strategy, something is wrong. I already had 0.2 xG for 3 chances but I know why... After seeing them displayed, I can understand that it can help but already by watching his match, without having the xGs, I can say that I would have moved the lines^^


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Sikora |

22/08/2024

You can get 6 chances with o.55xg. However, they have little chance of hitting the mark.


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Sikora |

22/08/2024

In my opinion, a 0.20 xg chance has a 20% chance of scoring.


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Drosko |

22/08/2024

Yes, that's right...


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Akram |

22/08/2024

We agree, but for how long? That is the question.


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Drosko |

22/08/2024

Akram, Looking closer your ADV is in high defense while attacking in the center... I'm not saying it can't pay off, but it's a risky bet^^


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lens59 |

22/08/2024

If in u12 I had an attacker with 6xp in stock but instead of putting in technique, speed or attack. He lost everything, I'm at a bug at mc do 😁😁😁😁 Falling 75% physically 🤣🤣🤣


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22/08/2024

And for once VF gives you all the important information. The positioning of your players is much more important than the level of xG. But no worries, we will not agree on this point, it doesn't bother me.


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El_Sombrero |

22/08/2024

Well listen, since we are clearly not all tactical geniuses and our level is only that of ordinary mortals, I still find that xG is a good additional indicator of your tactics.


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El_Sombrero Bah écoute, vu que visiblement on est pas tous des génies de la tactique et que notre niveau n'est que celui du commun des mortels, je trouve quand même que le…

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22/08/2024

I never judged your tactical level. I just give a tip that seems important to me. We debate on the subject, I am surely wrong ... good evening


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johncenawwe |

22/08/2024

Except that in reality, you notice when it's not going well and you change or not, because you see directly how it's going. The old version of the XG gave an indication of this side for VF. Obviously, you are never sure of conceding a goal IRL (on a counter for example) or on VF (even when your XG rises faster than your opponent). For me, it remained the most reliable indicator despite everything


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Galywat |

22/08/2024

It can give an indication, but it is not necessarily reliable. It is not because your xG increases that your tactics are good. And vice versa. It just shows a trend. A trend that does not necessarily go in the direction of who has the best tactics at time T. On the scale of a match or a season, there the xG connote more domination or not. But over a few minutes not necessarily. It is exactly like probabilities. Example: you play dice. You are asked to bet on either "1 or 2". Or on "3 or 4 or 5 or 6". You bet that it would fall on "3, 4, 5 or 6", normal you have more chance that it will work (4 chances out of 6). No luck it falls on 1. It does not mean that you had the wrong tactic. Just that you were unlucky.


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Drosko |

22/08/2024

Watch my match tonight: #match?mid=5824672 Even when you have a little bit of mastery of the strategy, nothing is ever a given..... Match blocked...I know the reason, but I couldn't do much.


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Akram |

22/08/2024

The instructions are taken into account for the calculations of the script, this is what blocks the finish, it took 1 thing to unblock it, guess what?


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