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Corky02 |

12 gün önce

Hello everyone, could you please enlighten me on the endurance levels? It would be good to have another look at this for new trainers, thanks in advance 🙏


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Pep Kiguwa |

12 gün önce

Corky02: Bonjour tout le monde, pouvez vous m'éclairer sur les paliers endurance svp? Ça serait bien de refaire un petit point dessus pour les nouveaux formateurs, merci d'avance 🙏

Hi, I would say that at 17 years old you should have around 9 stamina and each year +1. To get the best out of him, at 22 he'll have 14, so that's pretty much enough for you to adjust according to your needs.


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Kevin-7130 |

12 gün önce

Pep Kiguwa: Salut, j'aurais dis à 17ans avoir environ 9 endurance et chaque année +1. Pour bien optimisé, à 22ans il aura 14 endu c'est plutôt suffisant à toi d'ajuster en fonction de tes besoins.

That doesn't sound like much to me though. You need at least 20 endurance otherwise the loss of physique and therefore of the score is too great.


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Pep Kiguwa |

12 gün önce

Kevin-7130: Ca me paraît un peu léger tout de même ça. Il faut a minima 20 endurance sinon la perte de physique et donc de la note est trop importante.

If stamina increases, it's at the expense of his score, so it's a double-edged sword. Stamina rises by 1 each season, while his NG rises more slowly over time.


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Zeus |

12 gün önce

Mini 30/35 in endurance and if you can go up to 40/45


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Sun's |

11 gün önce

Corky02: Bonjour tout le monde, pouvez vous m'éclairer sur les paliers endurance svp? Ça serait bien de refaire un petit point dessus pour les nouveaux formateurs, merci d'avance 🙏

It mostly depends on what you do with it.
Not touching endurance and just doing the course is fine if you're just looking for the maximum ng to resell.

Level 20 to play every other day is fine

Level 30... every other day but to stay above 60%.

Level 40+... I don't have an opinion on the matter, especially if it's possible without exploiting the flaw + a decent ng in the end?


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Corky02 |

11 gün önce

Sun's: Ça va surtout dépendre de ce que tu en fais
Pas touché l'endurance et juste faire le stage c'est bien si tu recherches juste le max de ng pour revendre

Le palier 20 pour jouer tout les deux jours ça va

Le palier 30... tout les deux jours mais pour rester aux dessus des 60%

Le palier 40+... j'ai pas d'avis sur la question surtout es-ce possible sans exploitation de la faille+ une ng décente au final ?

Thank you for your reply 👍 , in fact I would like to know to make a small table of who loses what in physics per match and for that I would like to know how much stamina for how much loss per match ..... And whether it's random or precise ..... For those who have details on this subject then I'm interested and thanks again to all those who take the time to clarify this question that could be useful to more than one 😉


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Corky02 |

11 gün önce

Zeus: Mini 30/35 en endurance et si tu peux monte à 40/45

It's true that back in the day you could do that, but today I get the impression that you have to choose between stamina and rating, which in any case will mean that this game is destined to have more big players trained... I get the impression that that's what everyone wants 🤔 You want a big player so you put the CB on ..... For the moment there are still players being trained under the old regime but the further we go the more complicated it becomes to train so that's why I'd like to clarify the training subject.... Is it still profitable to train? If it's no longer the case, at least it's clear to everyone, but when you waste time training so that in the end the people at the CB have something better 😡 .... Ducoup j'aimerais un tableau pour les paliers endurance et perte de physique en match et de l'autre côté tableau endu avec le joueur max que tu pourrait avoir en fin formation Sans bien-sûr les imprévus 😉(blessure, carton, mise a jour et j'en passe 😉) quelque choses approximative qui se rapproche du réel..... Thank you to those who contributed their details 👍👍👍


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Zeus |

11 gün önce

Corky02: C'est vrai que a l'époque on pouvait faire ça mais aujourd'hui j'ai l'impression qu'il faut faire un choix entre l'endurance ou la note ceux qui dans tout les cas va faire que ce jeu es destiné a plus avoir de gros joueurs formé ...J'ai l'impression que c'est ce que tout le monde veut 🤔 Tu veux un gros joueurs alors tu met la CB ..... Pour le moment il y a encore des joueurs formé avec ancien régime mais plus on avance et plus ça devient compliqué de formé donc c'est pour cela j'aimerais écl...

Yes it's possible, after that I'll leave it up to you to calculate the maximum ng loss you can undergo to get the best ng ^^.
40 in endurance is still possible, even 45, but 55/60, I haven't tested yet but I think it's possible but less interesting because it's hard to make up for that!


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Corky02 |

11 gün önce

Oui pas facile tout ça mais j'ai Vu que je suis pas seul a essayer d'y voir plus clair a ce sujet donc c'est intéressant ....si tu as formé des joueurs avec 45 endu et que tu a les note ng a me donner ça serait sympa....je ne sais pas encore comment aller faire mais c'est vrai que le truc serait réellement de savoir Est ce que on perdez son temps maintenant a former.....Je suis de l'ancien VF, où tu aviez le plaisir de passer des heures sur le jeu car il y avait du résultat au final..... No one took out the cb to be better than you 😉 it existed but not to make you look ridiculous 😉 well, times change as they say 😭


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Sun's |

11 gün önce

Corky02: Oui pas facile tout ça mais j'ai Vu que je suis pas seul a essayer d'y voir plus clair a ce sujet donc c'est intéressant ....si tu as formé des joueurs avec 45 endu et que tu à les note ng a me donner ça serait sympa....je sais pas encore comment vais faire mais c'est vrai que le truc serait réellement de savoir Est ce que on perd son temps maintenant a former.....Je suis de l'ancien VF , où tu avais le plaisir de passer des heures sur le jeu car il y avait du résultat au final..... Personne ...

Leao down at 33 endu
Apart from 3/4, for which I have no stamina, the rest varies between 19 and 26.

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Can't do better on phone sorry 😔


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Corky02 |

11 gün önce

Thanks for your help 👍👍👍


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Azby |

11 gün önce
Personally, I would strongly advise against going up to around 40-45 with the current training model.

I like players with a minimum endu, but I've seriously lowered my limit at the end of training (25 -> 20 roughly speaking). I see more and more people stopping at 15, and that's totally justified, even if it's not my thing.

Training is still profitable, it's just that players with 250 training points are finished for everyone. (*) The best teams trained in a few seasons' time will probably have players around 92-94 NG with 15 stamina, or 88-90 with 20 stamina.

(*) Barring any loopholes or changes to match XP gain and EC gain.

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spoupou |

11 gün önce

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There is an inaccuracy in this report of loss of physique since it takes into account the two halves AND the recovery of the physique at half-time which varies randomly between 5 and 9% of recovery for each player, a player can recover 5% on Monday and 8% on Wednesday it is a variable also to be taken into account to have an estimate of loss more just it is necessary to make a capture 44th and beginning of second half (to deduce the recovery of the physical loss of the first half) then end of match last capture, There are also match instructions that can influence the loss of physical strength, such as high pressing, which causes defenders to lose more physical strength, or low defence, which affects the physical strength of midfielders. Finally, these are all small figures that are not visible on match reports or workforce monitoring.


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Corky02 |

11 gün önce

Azby: A titre personnel, je te déconseille fortement de monter aux alentours de 40-45 endu avec le modèle de formation actuel.

J'aime les joueurs avec un minimum d'endu, mais j'ai sérieusement revu à la baisse mon palier en fin de formation (25 -> 20 en gros). Je vois de plus en plus de monde s'arrêter à 15, et ça se défend tout à fait, même si c'est pas mon kif.

La formation reste rentable, c'est juste que les joueurs à 250 points d'entraînement, c'est fini pour tout le monde. (*) Les meilleures...

Thanks for your help, that's what I think too in the majority..... If we're right, then we're dead in the water 😉 There's no point in playing to win or playing for the ranking because with the CB it's 99 ng that they're going to get out of us, far from us trainers......


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Corky02 |

11 gün önce

spoupou:
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Il y a une inexactitude dans ce rapport de perte de physique puisque il prend en compte les deux mi-temps ET la récupération du physique à la mi-temps qui varie aléatoirement entre 5 et 9% de récupération pour chaque joueur , un joueur peut récupérer 5% le lundi et 8% le mercredi c'est une variable à prendre aussi en compte pour avoir une estimation de perte plus juste il faut faire une capture 44ième et début de seconde mi-temps (pour dédu...

Merci pour ton aide, tu a raison Aussi c'est pour ça je dis aussi pas facile a voir juste, voir impossible mais j'aimerais un truc qui même si c'est aléatoire mais qui tient la route 😉.....


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Le croc |

11 gün önce

If it helps, I try to put the endu at the age of the player ( 23 years old endu at 23 ) which gives me almost the initial ng


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hazard14 |

11 gün önce

If you want to train and optimise as much as possible, I think you need to train.
I agree with azby.
I start them off at between 13 and 15 and then try to get them to play as much as possible when they're fit enough.


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Demi-cerveau |

10 gün önce

Hello, it's really a question of choice. Personally, I've aimed for my players to have a stamina of 14-15 at the age of 23.

With this choice, and with players who play for roughly 90 minutes every other day, I end up with at best a 10-point lead over the potential for players from my cdf. It's all a question of choice, between the time of leaving the cdf, cumulative training, playing time, maturity level, etc.

We should be able to do a bit better than what I did in training, but not much. So I think we can aim for the best without cheating:

  • A lead of 12 with a stamina of 15 to 23.
  • A lead of 7 with a stamina of 25 to 23.
  • A score equal to potential with a stamina of 39-40 at 23.

Better than that, with the current training parameters, it seems very complicated to me.

After that, the choice to be made between all these training profiles is a matter for each player to think about according to the way they play.


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Socrate |

10 gün önce

I thought I just had to click on the ECs every 24 hours ...
Thanks for spoiling the myth ...


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Demi-cerveau |

10 gün önce
> **Socrate**: Moi qui pensait qu’il fallait juste cliquer sur les EC tous les 24h …
> Merci de gâcher le mythe …


I'll teach you, if you like 🫣

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k3vin59218 |

10 gün önce

Demi-cerveau: Je t'apprendrai, si tu veux 🫣

Be careful before replying, it could be a trap 🙄


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Demi-cerveau |

10 gün önce

Crotte !!! I'm talking about my player who's 10 ahead on the forum, and bam, he gets injured less than 2 hours later !!!!

The game is "scripted" as they say 😆 !!!


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Corky02 |

10 gün önce

Demi-cerveau: Bonjour, c'est vraiment des questions de choix. Personnellement, j'ai visé pour mes joueurs une endurance de 14-15 à l'âge de 23 ans.

Avec ce choix, et avec des joueurs jouant grosso modo 90 min un jour sur deux, je me retrouve avec au mieux une avance de 10 par rapport au potentiel sur des joueurs issus de mon cdf. Tout est une question de choix entre le moment de la sortie du cdf, les entraînements cumulés, le temps de jeu, la plage de maturité ...

On doit pouvoir faire un peu mieux que ...

Not an easy task .... Training, yes, but at what cost? Will we get good young people? I'm talking, of course, about good trainers 😉 who log on every day to do what needs to be done ectect ....In training, what grade can we expect to get? Because now I don't believe in 99 marks anymore.....So it's certainly a choice, but where the choice should be the same for everyone, training (because there's nothing better than training a player and then playing for the ranking), well, others use the CB .... We could train like the players we buy with the CB then the question wouldn't even arise... but today I was wondering if it's still a good idea to train? That's all I've ever done, even in the old days, and I've always had good results, but things have changed a lot now..... that's why I'm taking the temperature a bit 😉 to find out if it's still a good idea to train, if so what the endurance levels are today, and if trainers have found the best solution for optimising training... Should we keep individual training? Should individual training be 25%, 50% or 100%? Thank you to anyone who takes the trouble to reply 👍👍👍


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Azby |

10 gün önce

I'll respond quickly to two points:

  • buying players from the Store can allow you to get very high potential players, but it's not necessarily a guarantee of success, there are a few pitfalls...

  • individual training sessions at 25% consume less XP, so it's in your interest to favour them to maximise your training. You can keep them for several reasons: adjusting at the end of training, superstition, etc... or use them during periods of suspension or to integrate youngsters into your A team with an NG at best. And I'm sure there are other cases.

In short, choices to be made. 😁


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Demi-cerveau |

10 gün önce

I think there's a lot of fantasy about the players in the store. I don't think there are many players better than those from a home-grown side to pick up there. And even with the blue card ... You have to get money out of VF.


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Corky02 |

10 gün önce

Demi-cerveau: Je pense qu'il y a beaucoup de fantasmes sur les joueurs du store. Faut pas croire qu'il y a beaucoup de joueurs meilleurs que ceux d'une formation maison à y récupérer. Et même avec la carte bleue ... Il faut sortir de l'argent VF.

Ouer après je parle pas des jeunes au store qui achète avec gros potentiel car les mec savent pas formé pour la plupart donc ça m'inquiète pas ça 🤣 ca c'est juste une question de, Ma tu vu 😉 après je parle plus des gros joueurs, ceux avec ng de fou .... enfin espérons que la formation reste quelques choses de fiables, que nous pouvons toujours rivaliser contre la CB....La CB j'ai toujours dit, même a l'époque, je suis pas contre car il faut aussi qu'ça paye mais gardons un peu les pieds sur terre ici 😉 en tout cas merci pour vos réponses 👍


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