Hello,

Over the last few days, we’ve seen quite significant changes to the timing of in-match stats updates. Broadly speaking, today if you change team tactics, they are updated at the top of the minute (e.g. 15:00, though there can sometimes be a delay of a few minutes); some tactics are updated straight away, whilst others aren’t; changes to the sliders are sometimes applied instantly, as are other changes. Position changes aren’t always reflected immediately...

At the same time, drops in fitness are more or less smoothed out throughout the match, which also affects the stats slightly, but that’s not a bad thing.

In any case, being able to adjust tactics down to the second – or at least see the effects of those changes – shouldn’t be possible. It makes the match completely unreadable: how can you know which stats will be used to calculate the MDM? And if you have to make changes every 10 seconds in a tight match – which is still necessary to constantly adapt to the opposition – matches will become a nightmare.

To make things clearer, I think we should go back to something much simpler:

• Changes to instructions, style, positional changes and substitutions should be applied at fixed intervals: 4 minutes, for example (plus the 45th minute), to match the average over recent weeks. A new player would have no trouble knowing what counts. No more randomness from that point of view – I really do find it a real nuisance.

--> During those 4 minutes, the only thing that would vary is the players’ physical condition, hence the automatic drop in stats. --> I’ll stress this again: the randomness of not knowing which set of stats will count in advance (I’d prefer to make that clear) is really not great. It’s been a flaw in recent years. You could see it in hindsight, and there was a pattern to it (3–7 mins and 2–6 mins in recent weeks), but the random element was far too prominent. Returning to a regular or deterministic rhythm also gives you a chance to ‘catch your breath’ and makes it much more relaxing to follow the match.

• This brings me to a second point: changes to positions and playing style shouldn’t be visible to the opposition during that time. Whether on the club’s profile or the ‘Teams’ tab during a match. Firstly, because those playing on PC have a significant advantage when it comes to adjusting their team at the last minute, but also because it’s now extremely easy to automate these changes on a PC, making them just before the stats are updated in response to the opponent’s moves.

Have a good day,

Galy

Salut Galy,

Elle est sympa la proposition,

Si je comprends bien c’est un retours « aux sources » comme on a pu connaître dans les années 2010 ? Il me semble que c’était 3’ à l’époque !

Well, I’m really not keen on fixed-interval changes of 3’ or 5’, with opponents glued to the screen and ready to press a button at 2’59” or 4’59” to catch the other off guard – no, thank you very much! And even worse were the days when a goal would appear at 5’01”, 10’01” and so on… and you’d have to wait until 4’58” to press your button. Help!

I’d be more in favour of updates at random intervals during matches (though I don’t know what the servers hosting the game can handle). For example, in a match there’d be 40 updates at unknown times, varying from match to match – say 1’43”, then 3’12”, then 7’29”, then 8’54” and so on…

In real life, when a manager makes a substitution or changes tactics, some changes have an immediate effect whilst others take a while to kick in. For example, if two players swap positions or a midfielder starts playing more defensively or more offensively, the effects might be felt 10 seconds later or 3 minutes later, depending on the circumstances – and the manager doesn’t know this in advance.

But the idea of tactical changes being implemented at regular intervals known to everyone? Frankly: no, no and no.

Well, you’re going to love the latest changes :)

Personally, I think it’s a good thing, to weed out those who couldn’t manage their team without relying on the human element. The ‘Easy Way’ crowd are going to be disappointed.
A blessing in disguise, even if it’s a shame we’ve had to resort to this.

I’ll leave you to discover the changes for yourselves. Whako and I have just been enjoying them ^^

Le changement effectif de suite

Two tactical changes are enough:
One before the match starts
One at half-time
And there you go 😊
Just let the centre-back get on with it 😂

VF est t’il un jeu de football management ou un jeu de gestion de boutique ?

Si maintenant on passe plus de temps sur la fabrication de sifflet, poster, maillot et a optimiser ces fabrications qu’à gérer la tactique en match qui selon moi était le grand intérêt de VF...

Déjà contre un afk, il ne fallait surtout ne plus bouger au risque de perdre le fil du match avec des baisses drastiques de statistiques. Maintenant même un match suivi par les deux "acteurs" va être bridé. Dommage, une nouvelle fois dommage. Une de trop?

Il me semble important, quand même, de ne pas se tromper de cible.

Si le chiffre avancé de 3000 modifications tactiques dans un match, ce qui n'est pas humainement possible, est réel et avéré, il va quand même bien falloir faire quelque chose.

Parce que si les bot prennent le contrôle de la tactique, il n'y a plus de jeu. Et là on aura plus qu'à tous aller s'occuper de la boutique pendant nos matchs.

Je pense que nous avons tous joués des matchs contre des adversaires qui, quoi qu'on fasse, s'adaptent tactiquement à toutes nos modifications avant même d'avoir pu réellement les voir. Il ne faut pas être dupe, ce n'est pas l'omniscience qui leur permet de faire ça.

Après, la réponse apportée actuellement est-elle satisfaisante ? Je ne sais pas. Je pense qu'il faut tester un peu, et voir ce que ça donne. Et tant pis si ça nous foire un ou deux matchs importants ... Et ensuite faire des propositions dans un esprit constructif sur les améliorations à apporter.
Pour ma part, je suis très content que le problème soit pris au sérieux, et que des solutions soient cherchées. Acceptons que la solution parfaite n'existe peut-être pas, et que même si elle existe elle ne sera peut-être pas trouvée immédiatement.

Belle journée.

By the way, isn’t there an official presentation of the changes or any explanations from Aymeric?
I might have missed it!

A bug that I don’t think has been reported yet:
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On the VFO or in PMs, you can no longer space out paragraphs.

As a result, some of these long posts are a bit of a slog to get through!

Thanks

My proposal no. 1.
Remove the timer between changes and reduce the duration of matches to 15 minutes, with a constant number of updates equal to the current number of updates scheduled for a 90-minute match.
So, in practice, updates would occur at a rate six times faster.

In theory, this shouldn’t overload the servers hosting the game, as there would be roughly six times fewer matches in progress at any given moment.

Ultimately, there would be just as many goals, injuries and cards as there are now – which is well balanced – but when following a match, you’d experience 15 intense minutes rather than 90 minutes that are often tedious.

Personally, I reckon a 2-second timer would be more than enough.
That would let you change your strategy a bit quicker. If you want to switch four players’ positions (moving from centre to wing, for example), that takes 40 seconds, which is quite a long time.
Especially as if you fail, the command isn’t carried out when the timer runs out – you have to start again.
With a 2-second timer, you’ve already got a bit of a time constraint. And everyone is subject to this constraint, so we remain one step ahead of anything a fraudulent system (if that’s indeed the intended aim) might do.