Hello everyone,

The points system has recently been revised. However, many of us still find it illogical that a defeat earns points. Awarding points for a defeat is completely inconsistent.

My proposal:

Reward victories in official matches
Double the points for a win, i.e. if I play a rank 5 match, that earns 10 points in the VF rankings.

Cast your votes – for or against! ;)

Kevin-7130: Bonjour à tous,

Le système de gain de points a été revu récemment. Nous sommes tout de même nombreux à trouver cela illogique, à savoir qu'une défaite rapporte des points. Valoriser une défaite est totalement incohérent.

Ma proposition :

Valoriser les victoires sur les matchs officiels
Doubler les points en cas de victoire, à savoir : je joue un indice 5, cela rapporte 10 points au classement VF.

A vos votes, pour ou contre ! ;)

Especially as it earns points for those who aren’t active

I partly agree, but we should take the opponent’s level into account as before: level 10 = 10 points, level 1 = 1 point.
Not by doubling the points.
The system is so much simpler and applies to all competitions, even friendlies.
At least we’ll stop saying that Level 10 players are favoured because of their VFT background

Wouldn’t that duplicate the limit on friendly matches?

Nitnelav: Cela ne ferait pas doublon avec la limite mise sur les amicaux ?

I think a maximum of 3 points in a friendly match makes sense; otherwise, you might as well just play against a mate with a rating of 10.

Kevin-7130: Les 3 points max en amical sont pour moi cohérent, sinon il suffit d'aller jouer contre un copain qui a un indice 10.

Yes, but all the other matches are described as ‘official’, although IE might be an exception.

Nitnelav: Oui mais tous les autres matchs sont dits "officiels", or IE peut-être.

Yes, it’s worth considering what might be possible, but making a big deal out of defeats is nonsense.

Once the proposal is implemented in the league, the cup, etc.—anything but friendlies under the current rules.

Kevin-7130: Oui, à voir ce qui pourrait être imaginé, mais valoriser des défaites, c'est du non sens.

Après que la proposition soit appliquée en championnat, coupe, ie... Tout sauf amicaux avec la limite actuelle.

I agree. Or:
V = 100% of VF marks
N = 50% of VF marks
D = 25% of VF marks

Yes, as far as I’m concerned, a defeat is worth 0 points, but that’s just my opinion ^^

Going against the grain, I find it ‘interesting’ to award 1 point to the loser. It ‘rewards’ the fact that you’ve played, and it sets you apart from those who don’t play. I like the idea of making (very gradual) progress just by playing, at the very least.
But the difference between a defeat and a victory is too small at the moment. (3 points is not much compared to the single point awarded for a defeat)
Not to mention the awarding of ‘lunar’ points in the event of a draw in non-friendly matches, for example

I must be the only one who couldn’t care less about the VF points.
At the end of the day, apart from the infrastructure, what difference does it make?

I’d tend to go for a differentiated system:

Defeats would only count towards the club’s levels but not towards the VF ranking. This would maintain the aim of progressing more quickly through the levels without causing any odd situations in the VF ranking.

And/or perhaps a restriction to ensure that a defeat does not yield more points than the opposing team’s victory.

Why not limit the ability to build the CDF 10 to club levels 5 or 6 instead?

This is the number one obstacle to keeping new players interested.
Once you realise you need 1,000 points – and potentially two years in real life, at a rate of 80 points per season – to reach that level, become financially independent and hope to compete with the best (without much help from alliances).

For a casual player, it’s no longer feasible to expect them to play for two years or more with a rubbish team and by buying mercenaries whose performance is on the decline without them losing interest before then.

To address the main point: if points awarded for defeats are retained, I’m also in favour of increasing them proportionally for wins and draws in competitions, in order to maintain a consistent VF ranking.

Another observation:
I think we’re heading towards a completely static VF table because the big matches were decisive. However, from now on, a defeat will be worth the same as a draw.
This takes away a goal – though not for everyone, I grant you.

Above all, the points allocation system needs to be completely overhauled rather than just patched up.
As mentioned above, it is essential to make a clear distinction between the points that determine the club’s level and those that determine the club’s rating (and its league position)

The points that determine the club’s level also reward longevity, so it is not outrageous that defeats earn points (though not as many as draws).

On the other hand, for the points that determine the index and the VF ranking, it’s completely illogical for defeats to yield even a single point.
For example, tomorrow I’m playing this IE match:
#match?mid=6907511
I’m almost certainly going to get thrashed (or beaten to a pulp – I’m not sure which is the right term!), but it’ll earn me 5 index points – more than my last, rather tough league win:
#match?mid=6850238
which only earned me 4 points against a tough opponent.
Spot the mistake!

myforsans: Il faudrait surtout refondre complètement le système d'attribution des points au lieu de faire du replâtrage.
Comme indiqué plus haut, il faut impérativement différencier clairement les points qui donnent le niveau du club des points qui donnent l'indice du club (et le classement du club)

Les points qui donnent le niveau récompensent aussi l'ancienneté donc ce n'est pas scandaleux que les défaites rapportent des points (par contre quand même pas autant que les nuls)

En revanche, pour les po...

Really it doesn't really make more sense anyway because imagine some one who lost against you in a match earn more points than you do by winning.

A bloke who only plays level 10 matches but loses every single one will end up with 250 points, whilst you’re struggling to get past 100 😅🤣🤣🤣

junior: Un mec qui joue que des niv 10 mais qui perd tous c'est match va faire 250 pts et ta moins qui galère a dépasser les 100 😅🤣🤣🤣

Not really, as he won’t just be playing in official matches, but we get the idea all the same.

It’s more interesting – he gets as many points as I do even when he loses. The old system was fine; when PSG lost to a smaller team, the other team didn’t get 6 points in the table just because it was PSG 😂 It’s good to keep things realistic.

Ultimately, this skews the French-language rankings to some extent

Could we have a quick recap of how the points system works these days? I’m getting back into the game after taking a break around season 50, and I’m a bit out of the loop when it comes to the points system...

Hi! I’ve only just started playing again myself; I get the impression that you earn points based on your opponent’s VF ranking, or more specifically their ‘Top’ ranking. For example: if you beat someone in the top 50 per cent, you’ll get 2 points; if you beat someone in the top 100 per cent, you’ll get just 1 point. You also earn points if you play against someone stronger than you and lose the match.

In cup competitions, Inter-Entente matches or league fixtures, you receive a number of points equal to your opponent’s VF rating if you win. In the event of a draw or defeat, you earn half that number of points. In friendly matches, however, this is capped at a maximum of 3 points.