Hello Aymeric and hello everyone,

I'd like to submit an idea for improving the management of young players in our CDFs.
This idea came to me this morning following a frustrating dilemma: I was forced to release a player with a potential of 80 just to free up some space. It's a real waste to see a young player with such potential released, when he could have greatly helped other managers, especially those who are just starting out or who just need it.

The idea:
Allow youngsters from the CDF to be transferred directly between clubs.

The benefits:
Reduced waste: High-potential players are no longer discarded for lack of space, but promoted within the community.

Mutual assistance between managers: This will boost exchanges and reinforce the social and strategic aspects of the game, particularly within the agreements.

Realism: In the real world of football, clubs regularly transfer talented young players who don't yet have a professional contract.
I hope this suggestion can be considered for a future update.
Thanks in advance for your feedback and enjoy the game!

Great idea +1

It's an idea, but I think it needs fine-tuning:

• I don't really like the idea of transferring an 80 pot to a cdf <9. Yes, it exists, particularly with U17 tournaments, but it's still marginal
• it would make it possible to develop cdf management, a subject that has been discussed for a long time and has remained unresolved
• it's certainly interesting for the development of cohesion within agreements, but I think you're creating a huge imbalance between small and large agreements, which A45 refutes from what I've understood (the idea being to develop more agreements, not to give more resources to the big ones).

On the other hand, it's still an interesting idea, and one that could bring up a subject that I think was discussed during the last vocals.

Very good point Lahi, there's too much wastage of youngsters in the CDFs and that's not ideal. Transferring youngsters between CDFs could greatly help some clubs to strengthen themselves in the future and improve their management. I think it's an excellent idea, with perhaps some contributions, and I think the project will be implemented.

I find the idea very interesting, but as has been said, it needs to be refined further. But how can we overcome the difference in cdf levels between clubs in the case of a profile resulting from detection? A young 80+ pot for a 9 or 10 cdf corresponds to a 65 or 67 pot for a less developed cdf.
But otherwise it's a good idea that could boost this aspect of the game and allow more clubs to benefit from talented players.

I had submitted the idea via the discord opened to discuss between the agreements some time ago, to open transfers for the cdf, many had loved the idea then I said to myself, that it would not be feasible compared to the levels of cdf.
Mais si il y a une solution je suis toujours pour en limiteant par exemple a 3 transferts par saison max, il ne faut pas plus qu'il y a de l'abus

An interesting idea for maximising profits between multi-accounts. It will allow some clubs to sell 16 youngsters a season, by the batch, to the training centres of clubs that will never be able to release them, since only 2.5 youngsters can be released per season.

Demi-cerveau: Une idée intéressante pour maximiser les profits entre multi-comptes. Ça permettra à certains clubs de vendre 16 jeunes par saison, à la fournée, aux centres de formation de clubs qui ne pourront jamais les sortir, puisqu'on ne peut sortir que 2,5 jeunes par saison.

Hence my message above about limiting transfers to a maximum of 3 per season.
This project is a good one, but we need to look at it in more detail to avoid abuse.

Demi-cerveau: Une idée intéressante pour maximiser les profits entre multi-comptes. Ça permettra à certains clubs de vendre 16 jeunes par saison, à la fournée, aux centres de formation de clubs qui ne pourront jamais les sortir, puisqu'on ne peut sortir que 2,5 jeunes par saison.

For once, I don't agree with you.
All we need to do is introduce a limit on intra-CDF transfers per season to keep things reasonable.

If we ban all potential improvements using cheats as an argument, we'll never get anywhere. Especially as they don't need that to cheat, it won't change anything.

But what improvement? Which club, which plays seriously in VF with a cdf 10, does not have a single player in its training centre to take out?

I think all the VF clubs do joint scouting, don't they? There are also people who share their scouting for free on this forum.

Lahi explains that he had to "sacrifice" a young potential 80. He forgets to mention that this season we've found a lot of potential 80 players in scouting. At RTG alone, I think we've got around thirty players with a potential 80 or more who have been spotted and ended up being snapped up by nobody!

On the other hand, if we open this Pandora's box, it will mean that the cdf1s will be able to buy cdf10 players with the potential of the cdf10s, with all the problems that will go with that, and a 3 or 4-fold increase in the number of players who will be released each season .... Via multi-accounts.

Without me.

Demi-cerveau: Mais quelle amélioration ? Quel club, qui joue sérieusement à VF avec un cdf 10, n'a pas un seul joueur dans son centre de formation à sortir ?

Je pense que toutes les ententes de VF font de la détection commune, non ? Il y a aussi des personnes qui partagent gratuitement leur détection sur ce forum.

Lahi nous explique qu'il a dû "sacrifier" un jeune potentiel 80. Il oublie de préciser que des joueurs potentiels 80, cette saison, on en a trouvé beaucoup en détection. Rien qu'à la RTG, je ...

Thanks for your feedback. I understand your fears about excesses, but we can't put the brakes on the development of gameplay just because we're afraid of fringe behaviour, especially when there are solutions to limit it (as kiki-sainté and RomyTurtle have suggested).

As for potential 80, whether it's common for some or rare for others, the root of the problem remains the same: lack of interaction and sheer waste. My idea is to make the most of these players and encourage them to help each other.

After that, as you say, it's your opinion; it's noted, but it doesn't invalidate the interest that others have in the project. Enjoy the game!

The very idea of having 80 or more potential players in a tier 1 CDF makes me imagine all the possible abuses. it's going to be hell. Just imagine, it's as if we decided to do away with all the rules governing transfers!!!! That would be crazy!

Nicularo: L'idée même d'avoir des potentiels 80 ou plus dans un CDF de niveau 1 me fait imaginer toutes les dérives possibles. ça va être un enfer. Imaginez-vous, c'est comme si on décidait de supprimer toutes les règles encadrant les transferts!!! Ce serait n'importe quoi!!!

@Nicularo, a level 1 Cdf who gets an 80+ pot via the U17 tournament is already possible today...
So your fear is already a reality of the current game without it causing "hell". The U17 tournament event gives high potential at any CDF level, as does the purchase of nuggets on the market via the store (even if they go straight into the first team, just like the youngsters obtained via university promotion).
So the mechanism already exists in the game's ecosystem.
My project isn't specifically about level 1s, it's about all Cdfs.
The idea is not to create chaos, but to avoid waste by allowing controlled transfers (limited, as proposed above).
So with simple safeguards (quotas to prevent abuse), there's no reason for things to get out of hand.

Nicularo: L'idée même d'avoir des potentiels 80 ou plus dans un CDF de niveau 1 me fait imaginer toutes les dérives possibles. ça va être un enfer. Imaginez-vous, c'est comme si on décidait de supprimer toutes les règles encadrant les transferts!!! Ce serait n'importe quoi!!!

@Nicularo, a level 1 Cdf who gets an 80+ pot via the U17 tournament is already possible today...
So your fear is already a reality of the current game without it causing "hell". The U17 tournament event gives high potential at any CDF level, as does the purchase of nuggets on the market via the store (even if they go straight into the first team, just like the youngsters obtained via university promotion).
So the mechanism already exists in the game's ecosystem.
My project isn't specifically about level 1s, it's about all Cdfs.
The idea is not to create chaos, but to avoid waste by allowing controlled transfers (limited, as proposed above).
So with simple safeguards (quotas to prevent abuse), there's no reason for things to get out of hand.

Demi-cerveau: Une idée intéressante pour maximiser les profits entre multi-comptes. Ça permettra à certains clubs de vendre 16 jeunes par saison, à la fournée, aux centres de formation de clubs qui ne pourront jamais les sortir, puisqu'on ne peut sortir que 2,5 jeunes par saison.

The aim is not to maximise profits between multi-accounts but rather to help each other, so if you've seen the flaw in the idea, you should also think about how to adapt it to correct the flaw in the idea. Being smart enough to see the flaw, I'm sure that if you think hard enough, you can also come up with the idea to fix the proposed improvement.

Example of a personal idea to correct the flaw behind the idea: That all transfers be free and that there be a seniority requirement for players to be transferable after promotion.

They idea is a good one i hope it will be endorse

An idea proposed to Aymeric a few (long) months ago... About 2 years ago, from memory, when we were asked to think about reforms to the main modules of the game.
Among the proposals for the detection module, which have already been mentioned on this forum, one of them was to authorise cdf-to-cdf sales, within a framework that avoided abuse. In practice, it was proposed that :

• the level of cdf of the selling club is lower than that of the buying club (to avoid abusive exchanges between elitist clubs).
• The number of authorised cdf-to-cdf sales would be limited to 1 sale (clubs from level 1 to 9) and/or 1 purchase (clubs from level 2 to 10) per manager (to avoid player trafficking or fraudulently enriching less prestigious clubs) and per season (to avoid destabilising the operation of the detection system).
• Prior to this, the reform aimed at establishing a quantitative rather than qualitative detection system for each CFD level would be implemented. (See #forum?topic=158239).

To date, I don't even know if Aymeric is aware of this proposal.

OncleOink: Idée proposée à Aymeric, il y a quelques (long) mois... 2ans environ, de mémoire, lorsque nous avions été invités à réfléchir sur des réformes sur les principaux modules du jeu.
Parmi les propositions sur le module de la détection, déjà évoquées sur ce forum, l'une d'elle consistait à autoriser, dans un cadre évitant les abus, les ventes de cdf à cdf. En pratique, il était proposé que :

• le niveau de cdf du club vendeur est inférieur à celui du club acheteur (pour éviter les 'échanges abusi...

Thanks for the reminder, I didn't know that the idea had already been formalised two years ago. It shows that there are several of us who think there's something to be done about this module...
The conditions you mention (limiting sales/purchases to one per season and the hierarchy of FDC levels) are excellent safeguards. This directly addresses the fears of abuse expressed earlier, while solving the problem of wasting high potentials.
I hope that digging up this subject today will give Aymeric a second look, especially with the support of the community. Perhaps we've found the right compromise to make this module more dynamic without 'unbalancing' the game.
Thanks in any case for your enlightened feedback 👍🏽

Nicularo: L'idée même d'avoir des potentiels 80 ou plus dans un CDF de niveau 1 me fait imaginer toutes les dérives possibles. ça va être un enfer. Imaginez-vous, c'est comme si on décidait de supprimer toutes les règles encadrant les transferts!!! Ce serait n'importe quoi!!!

Do away with all the rules governing transfers? Fortunately, that's never going to happen 😅! Can you imagine?

Demi-cerveau: Supprimer toutes les règles encadrant les transferts ? Heureusement, ça n'arrivera jamais 😅 ! T'imagines le truc ???

Nicularo has clearly pushed the envelope with his comparison 😄. But basically, I think we all agree that a controlled transfer between CDFs has nothing to do with a general abolition of the rules. Let's stay on topic ... If you have any concrete proposals, they're welcome 😁.