Hello everyone,

I've been following the game for a while now (10 years this year), and I have to admit that I don't understand any of the games any more. I've never paid much attention to the details of how the MDM works, but this season in particular I don't understand a thing.

When the tactical instructions and the statistics are the same, I've been teed off in all my league games this year, and even in a good proportion of the friendlies where my team is superior.

I'm aware that my team is slightly below the average for my league, but even so, I have an average team strength of 87, compared with around 90 against most of my rivals. But I'm present at all my matches, adapting tactics, making 5 changes, etc., but that doesn't make up for the difference.

I've only scored one goal in the whole league (despite taking a lot of risks offensively), 0 wins and 2 draws, so it can't just be bad luck.

By way of comparison, against the same opponents last season, I finished 4th with 17 points (confirmed by the corrected league table) and I recruited a lot of players in all sectors to strengthen my team, and I didn't feature at all in the matches.

Is there a change I've missed this season? Because player grades, match statistics, tactical points and match attendance are all taken into account on my side, and I've suffered defeat after defeat.

(The only thing I've noticed (and which makes no sense) during friendlies is that fielding players in the MDG and MDD positions allows you to tactically demolish an opponent in midfield, even if you're 5 against 3).

Sorry for the long answer, but thank you in advance for your responses.

Enjoy the game!

I'm thinking of two things:

• the affinity between your players (you say you've recruited a lot)
• do you change tactics too often during your matches?

I think we'll have to put the credit card in.
I give up. We don't understand anything any more.
From one day to the next I'm taking nothing but a beating.
Even in friendly matches.
So I CONFIRM that SOMETHING WAS altered.
Unfortunately I can't demonstrate What (I don't know enough about it).
So from now on, no more Championship for Me.
Pay To win

best23: On va devoir mettre la carte de crédit je pense.
Moi j'abandonne ça y est. On comprend plus rien.
Du jour au lendemain je prends que des rouste.
Même en amical.
Donc je te CONFIRME que QUELQUE CHOSE a BIEN était modifié.
Malheureusement je ne peux pas démontré Quoi (je suis pas assez calé la dessus).
Donc dorénavant, plus de Championnat pour Moi.
Pay To win

I agree with you, it's become a pay to win game, when you see level 2/3 teams of 90ng and more with an average age of 23/25, it's no longer about long term management but a money game to be the best.
When I think of those who have spent years to have a competitive team by spending a lot of time to improve the infrastructure, train and win titles and that now some do it in a few months is a delirium 😔

zico93: Je te rejoins c'est devenu un pay to win, quand tu vois des niveau 2/3 avoir des équipes de 90ng et plus avec une moyenne d'âge de 23/25 ans, ça devient plus de la gestion à Long terme mais un jeu d'argent pour être le meilleur.
Quand je pense à ceux qui ont mis des années pour avoir une équipe compétitive en y passant beaucoup de temps pour améliorer les infrastructures, formé et gagner des titres et que maintenant certains le font en quelques mois c'est un délire 😔

What's a shame for me is that players between 0 and 65 NG have 0 interest in the game.

All the teams end up looking the same. It's a real shame.

I've gone through your matches, and beyond any tactics or statistics there's no scandal, you're just outclassed all the time. You've given your opponents 0 carrots and the mdm has always been fair, so to speak.

khad19: J'ai passé en revue tes matchs, au dela de toute tactique ou statistique il y a aucun scandale, tu es juste tout le temps surclassé. T'as mis 0 carotte pour tes adversaires le mdm a toujours été juste on peut dire.

I just think he means that the game is much more complex...

It's certain that when +NG90 disappears, which is what we're all waiting for, we're likely to get the other side of the coin in our faces.

1. very similar teams for the average player, with the management of styles, mdm and the club supposed to make the difference
2. no-win teams that are likely to be far superior to the average team. (Bye bye VF).

I hope I'm wrong. Let's enjoy it while we're here.

Rull43: C'est sûr que quand +NG90 auront disparu ce qu'on attend tous, on risque d'avoir le revers de la médaille en pleine tronche.

1. des équipes très similaires pour le joueur lambda, la gestion des styles, mdm et du club censé faire la différence
2. des equipes pay to win qui risques d'être bien dessus des equipes lambda. (Bye bye VF).

J'espère me tromper. Profitons en tant qu'on est là.

For the 2nd, yeah, I hope there'll be a change.

As for 1, I'm not sure that it will be very different from now, there will always be a similar gap in the level of players, you can't say that the training will be very different (at the very least, it's mainly the 50+ players who will disappear and that will change a few things).

Damien2911: Ce qui est dommageable pour moi c'est que les joueurs entre 0 et 65 de NG ont 0 intérêt dans le jeu.

Toutes les équipes terminent par se ressembler. C'est vraiment regrettable.

All players have an interest, when I started VF I had a team averaging 30/50ng, that allowed me to play friendlies to earn a bit of money and improve my infrastructure, let's not forget that it's a long-term management game. I started at the very bottom of the ladder by buying and selling, I found an agreement that helped me and advised me, I took players on loan to train against bonuses and besides that I made my club evolve thanks to friendlies and buying and selling as said above.
If you have no patience with VF, there's no point in playing it.
It took me 1/2 years before I had a decent team of around 70 players and decent facilities at an average level of 6/7, which enabled me to play more important matches and win a few lower division titles between 3 and 5 and start playing a few IE with the entente 2, which brought me a bonus, plus sponsors and a few youngsters that VF offered me with the U17 tournament.
If today I have a decent track record and a team that's holding its own (far from the best yet) it's thanks to my patience and perseverance.

zico93: Tout les joueurs ont un intérêt, quand j'ai débuté VF j'avais une équipe de 30/50ng de moyenne, ça me permettait de jouer des amicaux pour gagner un peu d'argent et d'améliorer mes infrastructures, n'oublions pas que c'est un jeu de gestion à longue durée. J'ai commencé tout en bas de l'échelle en faisant de l'achat revente, j'ai trouvé une entente qui ma aidé et conseiller, je prenais des joueurs en prêt à former contre des primes et à côté de ça je faisais évoluer mon club grâce aux amicau...

You can very quickly have a team with 50-60ng players, so not all players are interesting. My team is built with very little investment. I still haven't used any of the profits from the community goal...

It won't happen, but there's a problem of vision with training, where players only have the opportunity to progress for 5-6 seasons, whereas a player progresses more over his career. As a result, we end up with similar players at the same ages.

I see it differently these players with "the same NG".
Yes the players who will not use the styles of play will be "disadvantaged" but for those who will play with it will be more based on these styles of play, tactics ?
Then it's like everything else, you have to move with the times 😅 we French people dwell on the past, c'etait mieux avant, toussa toussa 😅
Whatever we say, A45 will do what he wants with his game, it's up to us to play according to our desires and adapt as best we can 🙂

When I read some of the messages above saying that soon the game will be like this or like that, it makes me smile because the authors are about as likely to be right as wrong.

You have to be aware that all it takes is one small change to a programme line or one figure in a programme line to discreetly alter overnight the effectiveness of training sessions, the possible NG of players detected, the % of fatigue determined by endurance, etc.....

For example, 4 or 5 seasons ago I sold a bunch of huge players (with very high NG and stamina) at a low price because they were getting older and their qualities were logically going to melt away like snow in the sun. It made sense. Well, no, it didn't. It coincided with a new setting that considerably limited the loss of points from old players and these players, who are still in the game today, have remained far superior to the younger players I bought at a high price to replace them.

That's the real problem: you make a coherent management decision (at time t) but it can turn out to be disastrous at time t+1. That's what bothers me most: it's not that things change, it's that they change from one day to the next without warning and in ways that aren't explained and, above all, aren't predictable.

If I had to use an image, we're a bit like the skippers in the Vendée Globe Challenge who no longer have reliable weather data and have to rely solely on their instinct to trim their sails and plot their course!

myforsans:
Quand je lis certains messages ci-dessus qui affirment que bientôt le jeu sera comme ci ou comme ça, ça me fait sourire car leurs auteurs ont à peu près autant de chances d'avoir raison que d'avoir tort.

Il faut être conscient qu'il suffit d'une petite modification d'une ligne de programme ou d'un chiffre dans une ligne de programme pour modifier discrètement en une nuit du tout au tout l'efficacité des entrainements, la NG possible des joueurs détectés, le % de fatigue déterminé par l'endu...

And on the other hand, others bet on the older players because they were well ahead of them.
Then overnight they lost 5 points a week ^^

Taking the long view in this game isn't easy, you always have to have several strings to your bow!

If you're going to take a beating in every game, with goals coming out of nowhere, against teams with no defenders or no midfielders, you've got to adapt your game. J'ai même eu droitment a 2 match sans défenseur latéral droit, et bah j'arrive même pas mettre un (en poussant à fond du côté vide) avec des joueurs a 90 93 89 Ng.
And I'm not even talking about the instructions (just you look, you lose in NG direct)
There's been a change this season, otherwise you'll have to prove us wrong.
And YES, it's become PAY TO WIN (I've never put €1 into a game, and I won't be doing so tomorrow).
It feels like the end (for me, of course).

Tellement sa jeux me a totalement vriller de la folie plus de tactique plus rien que du hasard c'est nul de nul c'est vraiment la fou