myforsans |
2h agoPrices are now free.
OK, we get it ;-(
However, is it permissible to harass a victim by sending them 100k offers in the hope that :
- they are distracted
- or their fingers are too big for their phone screen:
- or he's on public transport with vibrations that make his fingers tremble.
Because if we validate these kinds of bogus proposals, what happens?
Can we get the sale cancelled?
Before, yes, because it was an impossible sale, but now that it's allowed to make quasi-donations of players, if I validate the 100 K, it's no longer an irregular sale and the buyer can say that the sale is valid.
In conclusion, it would be good if the rules specified : - if it's allowed to send hundreds of bogus offers in the hope that they'll be accepted from time to time?
- if you can retroactively cancel a sale that was validated by mistake?
Here's an example of what we get... and if I'm not mistaken, I'm not the only one!
image](https://i.imgur.com/i2UMkhf.jpeg)
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Alex-AJA |
2h agomyforsans |
2h agoThat doesn't answer the question.
Yes, a posteriori you can block
But as a preventive measure you can't block everyone, so you can potentially receive this kind of offer at any time.
So the question isn't about the technical solution to avoid this a posteriori, the question is about having a clause in the rules that allows sanctions (unless, of course, the admins tell us that it's perfectly allowed to send out offers like that in the hope that they'll get through to a distracted person or a guy with too many fingers.
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Magpie |
2h agoAlex-AJA: Tu bloques le manager et c'est tout 🤷
You can't block the manager until you've received a PM from him.
It would be a good improvement to be able to block from the moment you send a PM.
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myforsans |
2h agoMagpie: Impossible de bloquer le manager tant que tu n'as pas reçu un MP de sa part.
Ce serait d'ailleurs une bonne amélioration à faire, de pouvoir bloquer à partir du moment où on envoie un MP
Interesting clarification that I didn't know.
So yes, Magpie, it's all the more useful if the rules say something about it.
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Magpie |
2h agomyforsans: Précision intéressante que j'ignorais.
Donc oui Magpie ça rend d'autant plus utile que le règlement prévoit quelque chose
Personally, when this happens to me, I send a PM to formally notify the manager to stop these offers.
If the manager is stubborn, I'm free to contact an admin, who can issue a formal notice to stop these offers (which become provocations because the manager is stubborn).
So from the moment you ignore an admin's injunctions, you become liable to punishment. At least I think so.
But it does give the admins a lot of 'rubbish' work, so a better solution needs to be found.
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myforsans |
1h agoYes, a dissuasive penalty would be effective in preventing or at least limiting unnecessary work for admins.
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Blagoje Vidinic |
1h agoNo, harassment is not permitted.
Please contact an administrator in such cases.
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Socrate |
1h agoSo I'm wondering about the point of this post, i.e. whether it's not just a roundabout way of wanting to hit someone under the guise of an enquiry.
Next time, if it's possible for all of you to open a post like this without mentioning the name of the club or the manager for a request for information which may be legitimate.
Finally, the answer has been given, i.e. to send him a mp to let him know that your player is not for sale and to stop making these offers. If he doesn't do this, contact an admin who will take over.
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Brutus |
1h agoI may have found a trick for blocking a manager from whom we haven't received a PM, here's the http address for blocking, without the spaces you'll have understood: https: //www .virtuafoot.com/ #messages?blocked&block= 366078 (that's my ID)
Just insert the club ID and it's blocked!
Anyway, I don't know if it works!
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myforsans |
1h agoThe manager posted here supports me in mp, the fact that this is only the first offer he has sent you in this way )
Well, we're not going to argue, but
- it's obviously not true
- supposing it is true, the real question is what was the purpose of this (supposedly unique) offer?
It's up to everyone to make up their own minds
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Socrate |
56 min agoI personally have no opinion on the subject.
He is complaining about being posted on the Vforum for no reason, attesting that this is his first offer.
And that your false accusation against him deserves to be punished.
In view of his swift request for punishment, I'm led to believe that there's a history between you.
I'm not really interested in your trivia.
So all I'm asking is that you don't post a club like that, especially as it doesn't add VA to your post and your request.
And then I gave you a solution if it happens again.
At my level, I've done what I had to do.
So that's the end of the matter as far as I'm concerned.
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myforsans |
48 min agoOK so my question is (regardless of the example cited):
Could the rules stipulate that an obviously bogus transfer proposal (although legal because any player can be sold for 100k) made in the hope of a mistake or distraction by the recipient is prohibited whether it is isolated or repeated, the penalty then being at the admins' discretion of course (it's up to them to assess whether it was done accidentally or with malicious intent).
Remember that when transfers were regulated, there was a big scandal with clever little people confusing low-price sales with paying loans.
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myforsans |
42 min agoFurthermore, if harassment consisting of repeating offers x times to the same club is forbidden, what if I send a single isolated offer to 300 clubs in the hope that one of the lot will fail to respond?
My offer is isolated at club level, so I won't have harassed anyone: one message per recipient, but I've made an isolated offer to 300 clubs.
In short, a form of phishing?
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