Ola VFiens, VFiennes,

Well, I'm sticking to my guns about this "loophole" in the pre-prep courses, which give +1 endu every season.

The problem isn't having +1 endu every season, but that there can be 'optimisations' following loans and/or transfers (since this season thanks to the free market).

I therefore propose that we simply remove the preparatory course from the events so that it is not abused and so that we can preserve the 'training' aspect specific to VF, especially when we know that 'nowadays' endu is a non-negligible criterion in the said training.

I know that this request may seem 'exaggerated' to many, but as a trainer at heart, I can assure you that if this 'loophole' remains 'possible', even though it can only 'optimise' a tiny number of players... it's really 'out of the ordinary'!

Anyway... you be the judge ;)

If you have any questions to help you make your choice... I'm here to answer them ;)

I'm totally against it because it's an advantage and we're taking away another advantage because of the cheats who are taking advantage of this loophole.
Why is it always the same people who have to suffer?
I'd say "remove the clubs that use the loophole", which is just as radical, but at least we're not taking away one of the last advantages.
Seriously, this game is worse than the French state taking everything away from us, it's not even a management game at the end of the day.
Je ai vu des j'en se donner un milliard avec une optimisation on va dire, pas une triche hein 😭 on va faire quoi arrêter les transferts?

junior: Je suis totalement contre car c'est un avantage et qu'on supprime encore un avantage a cause des tricheurs qui profite de cette faille
Pourquoi c'est toujours les mêmes qui doivent subir
Moi je dit "suppression des club qui se servert de faille " c'est aussi radicale mais au moins on enlève pas l'un des dernièr avantages
Sérieux ce jeu c'est pire que l'état français on nous retire tout ,c'est même plus un jeu de gestion au final
J'ai vue des gens se donner un milliard avec une optimisati...

It's clear that this loophole has allowed clubs to artificially acquire slightly better players. Well, it hasn't turned goats into thoroughbreds, but it has helped to improve their team significantly.
Without going as far as deleting the club or even blocking it, as these clubs are perfectly identifiable, a penalty such as withdrawing 5 stamina points from all the players in the team would be appropriate and would act as a deterrent.
But it would be a pity to do away with this optional but much-used event.

myforsans: C'est clair que cette faille a permis à des clubs de se faire artificiellement des joueurs un peu meilleurs. Bon ça n'a pas transformé des chèvres en pur sang mais ça a contribué à sensiblement améliorer leur équipe.
Sans aller jusqu'à la suppression du club ou même le blocage comme ces clubs sont parfaitement identifiés, une sanction du genre retrait de 5 pts d'endurance a tous les joueurs de l'équipe serait appropriée et dissuasive de recommencer.
Mais effectivement ce serait dommage de s...

The abolition of clubs was radicalised as the subject

On the other hand, I hope that the players who took advantage of the system have been reset, otherwise where are we going ....

Honestly, we already have asthmatic players... If we remove this event... it could be even more complicated for future generations. I'm rather against it even if I understand your idea...

I'm totally against it, it's not because there are criminals stealing watches that they should be banned from sale.
We just need to punish the bandits and that's that ^^.
Don't stand for election in 2027, because I've got a feeling you've still got some stupid ideas in your head!
If every time a loophole was used we had to regress the game and reduce the possibilities, we'd be well on our way. Unless you want the game to die...
There are other ways of limiting their abuse than doing away with the preparation stage.

Totally in favour!!! Just add +1 stamina to each player at the beginning of the season, like we currently add 1 year to the player and that way we keep the current system and stop the little cheats.

Lulo: Totalement pour !!! Il suffit de rajouter +1 d’endurance à chaque joueur en début de saison, comme on rajoute actuellement 1an au joueur et comme ça on garde le système actuel et on arrête avec les petites triches

If it's with this idea, yes, it will be better.

Aymeric just needs to limit this to a maximum of one point per season and per player for this event, even in the case of transfers and loans. No need to delete.

Let's do away with Brutus instead.

Marcus Aurelius: Supprimons Brutus plutôt.

Yes, it is

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"Enf..ré" ^^ ... Just the forum then! ^^
I'll let the managers react, I'll do an analysis tomorrow to prove my point!

All you have to do is put in 1 course per player if he arrives in a squad that hasn't done the course and he does it at another club, well he stays in the bar or the canteen.
Like the youngsters and the stock, it seems to me.

We haven't been able to train for a year now because we had to wait for the doping-ridden 99NGs to come to an end. We're not going to start again for another 2 years or we won't be able to train because an entire generation is being eaten up by the one before.

It's been 5 years, let's stabilise a bit please. The abuse of +2 internships instead of +1 is extremely marginal, and no one in the youth sector has had a team completely wiped out because of this feature.

Does that also count for the training courses carried out while the coach has the players for the IS?

Well, otherwise, I'm rather against it. It's a nice advantage all the same. All Aymeric has to do is set a limit of one training camp per player, per season, that's all.

Well, I'll leave you to it, I'm going to finish my popcorn and watch my series. Caramel and oatmeal, I fucking love you.

Lulo: Totalement pour !!! Il suffit de rajouter +1 d’endurance à chaque joueur en début de saison, comme on rajoute actuellement 1an au joueur et comme ça on garde le système actuel et on arrête avec les petites triches

It's a bit silly since we currently have constraints on the physical loss linked to the event, so it would remove this impact as well as the fact of choosing when to launch it.

Lulo: Totalement pour !!! Il suffit de rajouter +1 d’endurance à chaque joueur en début de saison, comme on rajoute actuellement 1an au joueur et comme ça on garde le système actuel et on arrête avec les petites triches

That's a great idea. It solves the problem completely and definitively, and it doesn't take anything away from anyone.

In fact, it's useless - everyone uses it, it makes no difference, so we might as well do away with it.

Crab: En fait ça sert à rien tout le monde l'utilise, ça fait aucune différence alors autant le supprimer

this course isn't there to make a difference, read the course description, it explains what the course is about.

Either we punish and dissuade the cheats, or we modify the preparation camp so that it can only be carried out once per player per season. The rest is simply the result of a decision that has been a long time coming. But what are the police doing?

Arazosv: Assez bête puisqu'on a des contraintes actuellement quant à la perte physique lié à l'événement, donc ça retirerait cet impact ainsi que le fait de choisir quand on le lance

I agree. I launched an IE match, then I launched the training course at midnight bilan.... 80% of players for IE

For the big clubs, between the cups, the IEs and the training course.... The start of the season is often sporting, and that's a real charm for management. Without the training courses, would the start of the season be as 'cool'?

As VF is a management game, please don't remove the possibility of organising this event whenever you want... But limit it to 1 bonus point per season and per player.

junior: Le suppression des club était pour radicalisé comme le sujet

Oui par contre j'espère que les joueurs qui ont profité du système on était réinitialiser sinon où on va ....

Oh, but we all hope so!
What's more, in the light of new information, we hope so even more!

Totally in favour,

Demi-cerveau: Excellente idée. Ça règle totalement et définitivement le problème, et ça n'enlève rien à qui que ce soit.

It doesn't take anything away,...... but it doesn't add anything either, so it's completely useless.

What would be the point of adding + 1 to everyone, that would be completely stupid.
Let me remind you that the game is about confronting your opponents.
If I try to increase my player's score, it's not to look good on a screenshot, it's because I hope it will make him better than my opponent.
For example, if my goalkeeper has 90 NG and 20 stamina and is automatically raised to 21, he'll still be better than my opponent's goalkeeper, who has 90 NG and 19 stamina (automatically raised to 20), and worse than my opponent's goalkeeper, who has 90 NG and 20 stamina (automatically raised to 21).

In terms of world records, a useless improvement would be to add one point of stamina to all players.
The event should be abolished to avoid loopholes, OK, but then it should be replaced by nothing at all and not by this 'smoke and mirrors' measure.

Stamina is a specific characteristic that was revised a few seasons ago to take proper account (it used to be a bit random) and a lot of clubs were unaccustomed to focusing solely on NG, so now we need to think a bit: would I rather have a player with a high NG and the stamina of an asthmatic or a slightly lower NG and a bit more stamina or a significantly lower NG and a significantly higher stamina etc....

Adding +1 in stamina to compensate for the removal of the event at the start of each season for all players would be the very example of a measure as useless and as ridiculous as deciding to remove 5 minutes from all the riders in the overall classification of the Tour de France because they were all blocked at the same point in the race by demonstrators!

The idea, my dear Myforsans, was to come up with something that would keep the current mechanics of the game (i.e. allow players to see their stamina increase by 1 each season without having to go through specific stamina training to do so) while preventing the possibility of loopholes as is currently the case.

I think that all clubs with sufficient finances and experience of the game now do the physical preparation course, whether or not they chose to increase their player's stamina at the start of their training.

The only clubs for whom it would make a difference are those that don't do physical preparation courses. Personally, I think it would affect clubs with less experience of VF, so it wouldn't upset the game's current balance, mechanics or economics.

You'll note that I'm replying to you without using ridiculous and useless words 3 or 4 times, without aggression and without ad hominem attacks, since the admins would like to pacify the vforum. I advise you to try, even if you try to insult me every time I reply, I think you can do it.

All the best.

I note that your post has only one like Brutus, mine 5. Prepare to be deleted.

In any case, there aren't 36 solutions:

• Either A45 doesn't touch anything and there will always be a potential drift.
• Or it patches things up properly by limiting a player to +1 stamina per season. But also by fixing the bugs where players don't take this point. It certainly takes time to do it properly...
• Either delete the event

So yes, it's a countermeasure that would make it possible to fight against those who would use this course to improve their players... there's a difference between :

• Those who raise the endu a minimum to take advantage of the NG
• Those who will raise the endu correctly to keep a good match rating for 90 minutes

That's a training choice.

• And those who do a mix of the 2 above so that at the end of their training, they have a player (or players) with good endu and good NG... they won't be cyborgs like we used to have, but they'll be more than enough to stand out in matches.

I admit that this may be marginal, but with no visible +2 (or even +) on the player's sheet, how can we know how many players are taking advantage of this?

Sora's message made me realise something I hadn't thought about... the fact that there will always be a 'generation' of players who benefit from this... after all, how many times on VF has everything been turned upside down and all the work destroyed by a simple change... in this case, it'll be minimal for a while, I think.

After that, yes, there's the -20% training course form... that gives a management aspect that's not negligible... but instead of doing away with this training course... what about reducing the potential duration of it?

The overall conclusion is as follows:

• Penalise those who use this double internship: Yes, but is it possible to really know who is doing it?
• Total abolition: A radical measure, I admit.
• Change the coding to remove the possibility of taking +2 or + / season: Is this possible and feasible?
• Reduce its execution time to 48 hours: Like on the first weekend at the start of the season?

ps: To all those who liked Marcus's message, I note, my revenge will be terrible !!! ^^
ps2 : Thanks Skyz, a like from you is worth 15 ^^

At this rate, there won't be much left of the game.
It's either that everyone can do it or that we block when we lend a player.