Hi, I'm sorry I didn't follow the voice message and all the exchanges yesterday, but I'd like to make sure I've understood correctly. From Saturday 8 November, is it allowed, for example, to buy/sell an NG 99 player for 1 euro? Similarly, is it allowed, for example, to buy/sell a free NG 17 player for 100 million? Could an admin confirm my understanding of the new rules?

I've been playing VF for a few years now, and there's been a fair amount of nonsense about the game, but this one, I think, still tops the list. It's like legalising cocaine to kill the drug market? I don't get it... it's legalising cheating so that it's not cheating any more?

There was little point in playing this game any more, I don't see how I'd continue the adventure. Well done and hats off to you for this new episode of VF.

The transfer market is now free.
This means that there is no longer a minimum or maximum value for the transfer of a player.
⚠️ Of course, this does not mean that everything will automatically be accepted - a player sold cannot be bought back by the same club less than 56 days after his sale, for example.

michbou: Le marché des transferts devient désormais libre.
Cela signifie qu’il n’y a plus de valeur minimale ou maximale pour le transfert d’un joueur.
⚠️ Bien entendu, cela ne veut pas dire que tout sera automatiquement accepté — un joueur vendu ne peut pas être racheté par le même club moins de 56 jours après sa vente par exemple

Thanks for copying and pasting the same message.
Wow the one restriction of waiting 56d is really a very powerful thing.
Why would I wait 56 days to buy back a 17NG free that I sold for 300 million on a money transfer?

Simple
Because it's the rules 🤣

And 56 days is still a crazy investment with a crazy financial return.
Sell 100M and get the player back for 100ke 56 days later, then it's all over again.

Improvement project: please increase the bank ceiling, it's going to overflow 😂😂😂vite

jul068: Et 56j ça reste un placement de dingue au rendement financier de fou furieux.
Vendre 100M et récupérer le joueur pour 100ke 56 jours après puis rebelotte.

Projet d’amélioration : augmenter le plafond de la banque svp, ça va Déborder 😂😂😂vite

I have just carried out a test on a player recruited from free agency. The transfer tax is 10% without waiting 56 days...

After that, if you find someone who will sell you a 99ng team for €1, go ahead, we'll watch you do it 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Zeus: Après si vous trouvez quelqu'un qui vous vendras une équipe de 99ng à 1€ allez s'y on vous regarde faire 🤣🤣🤣🤣

It's going to happen very, very quickly

jul068: Ça va arriver très très vite

Go ahead, we'll watch you do it and you can call me back when it's done 😉

After that, 99NGs are going to become increasingly rare!
But an NG90 with 12 or 14 coils is worth €1 these days ^^ (a joke for those of you who don't have a morning sense of humour).

Zeus: Vas-y fait on te regarde faire et tu me rappelles quand ça sera fait 😉

Those who are going to stop the game are going to do it. So yes, it will happen.

Don't worry about that, the "optimisers" will soon be in action.
Institutionalised cheating (but regulated to keep a clear conscience ^^ and avoid "excesses") .... to make the game healthier and more user-friendly! How daring.
On the other hand, it will simplify the job of the anti-cheaters.

Hello.
I'm planning to sell a player to my agreement, but it doesn't have the funds.
Can I offer to buy back several free agents that I will recuperate over several seasons?
I want to be sure that I can do this.

ptitze: Bonjour.
Je compte vendre un joueur à mon entente, mais celui ci n a pas les fonds.
Je peux donc lui proposer de me racheter plusieurs libres que je récupérerai pour récupérer la somme sur plusieurs saisons ?
Je veux être sur moi de mon côté que je peux le faire.

Hello ,

Given that the transfer market is becoming free, he will have the funds, given that the player can be sold for 100k, for example, even if his true value is 50M.

The market no longer has a minimum or maximum limit for selling a player.

Lol.
Thanks for the reply.
But I still want a minimum return on my investment.
So let's get on with it...
Enjoy the season.
Looking forward to it.....

Hi, it's a shame that the announcement in the news section was made by an admin, and not by Aymeric himself, as had always been the case in this section.

I would have liked him to have written explicitly about his thoughts on the subject to share them with as many people as possible, and for it not to remain between the few participants in a Tuesday evening vocal discord.

I still have the same question: what about multiple accounts?

Aymeric said they were easy to detect, but Lomax proved the opposite. He got caught out because the transfers he made were banned. So through this, we were able to detect all his work and the hundred or so accounts he managed.
If he had created 100 accounts, with a VPN or whatever, without making any fraudulent transfers, no one would ever have caught on. In short, until there is proof to the contrary - and I'm waiting with bated breath - multiple accounts are undetectable.

So, now that everything is open: explain to me how you can be sure that transfers of funds by free players from one account to another are not tainted by a multi-account scheme? Because, if I'm not mistaken, that hasn't changed, it's still forbidden to have several accounts.

When we see 25 clubs selling 3-5M players to inactives, then transferring all their money to another account, reassure me, you'll still have something to act on!

Clearly, the doubts expressed have not been taken into account...
So it's time for the fool's party to begin...

OK, so it'll be legal to "wake up" your old pals to get a small billion delivered to you, destroying any principle of fairness in the game. All you need is friends. Or you need to know how to manipulate the tools correctly to have lots of mule accounts, etc.
And given that everything is legal (but unfair), it smells of the kind of justice you're going to have to do yourself.
I have a feeling that the VFo will once again turn into provocations, criticisms, scandals and so on.
I really don't understand this choice either. It reeks of endemic 'cheating' as the dikes break. And the damage will be done. It will take a long time to erase the consequences of this decision, once the transfers of funds have been made...

And good luck to the admins

Note that only the transaction amounts are free.

Any transfer used to transfer funds will be cancelled.
Any transfer between multiple accounts will be cancelled.
Any intra-IP transfer will be cancelled.
Any transfer made to circumvent a rule stipulated in the rules (treating a player several times a day or allowing him to benefit from several events, for example) will be cancelled.

Blagoje Vidinic: Il est à noter que seuls les montants des transactions sont libres.

Tout transfert servant pour un transfert de fonds sera annulé.
Tout transfert entre multicomptes sera annulé.
Tout transfert intra-IP sera annulé.
Tout transfert effectué pour contourner une règle stipulée dans le règlement (soigner plusieurs fois par jour un joueur ou le faire bénéficier de plusieurs événements, par exemple) sera annulé.

Hmmmm "any transfer used to transfer funds will be cancelled".

That's going to be hard to characterise, Blagoje, isn't it?
Especially since that was left out of the new rules, wasn't it? (I'll go and check it out then)

Great news 😋

Blagoje Vidinic: Il est à noter que seuls les montants des transactions sont libres.

Tout transfert servant pour un transfert de fonds sera annulé.
Tout transfert entre multicomptes sera annulé.
Tout transfert intra-IP sera annulé.
Tout transfert effectué pour contourner une règle stipulée dans le règlement (soigner plusieurs fois par jour un joueur ou le faire bénéficier de plusieurs événements, par exemple) sera annulé.

Any transfer used to transfer funds will be cancelled.
???
The market is free, how can my purchase of a free agent for 100 million be considered as a transfer of funds?

Magpie: Hmmmm "tout transfert servant pour un transfert de fonds sera annulé"

Ca sera dur à caractériser ça, Blagoje, non ?
Surtout que ça a sauté dans le nouveau règlement ça, non ? (je vais aller vérifier du coup)

EDIT : il me semble bien que le don d'argent n'est plus mentionné dans le règlement. Il n'est donc plus interdit ! (de toute façon il était de facto réalisable avec les transferts dérégulés)

Yes, for the clever ones, but some are not so clever and will sell the player in question straight away so that he doesn't take up unnecessary space in their squad 😉

Rull43: Tout transfert servant pour un transfert de fonds sera annulé.
???
Le marché est libre, en quoi mon achat d'un libre à 100 millions peut etre considérer comme un transfert de fond?

Because it clearly is 😉

Exchange I had an hour ago... you'll have to get in line...

Rull43: Tout transfert servant pour un transfert de fonds sera annulé.
???
Le marché est libre, en quoi mon achat d'un libre à 100 millions peut etre considérer comme un transfert de fond?

Well, it just depends on whether your head comes back or not ;D.

On a more serious note, let's bet on how long the story will last? just for fun.
I'm announcing that your story lasts 1 week max :)

I'm allowed to buy a new one for 50 million and sell it for 5 million, if I'm not mistaken.
He'd do better to go back today.
It's not too late.
For you admins, this is going to be ingerable....
I don't envy you at all...
That's how many complaints are going to clutter up the vforum...
Wait and see...

Blagoje Vidinic: Parce que ça en est clairement un. 😉

But it's no longer banned!
Really, Blagoje, I think you're on the old rules ^^.

On the new one, which was forgotten yesterday, it's no longer banned :/

Transposed to real life:
No more speed limits on the roads
No minimum wage to pay an employee
No minimum age for buying cigarettes
No minimum age for children to work at night
and so on.
What do you think is going on?

Blagoje Vidinic: Parce que ça en est clairement un. 😉

Aymeric said that it was possible to buy a player at the price we wanted, which means that he authorises the transfer of funds.

I agree with half on the announcement. He's the only one to have decided on this reform, so he should have been the only one to announce it and explain what is and isn't allowed.

My printscreen of my exchange with blue is clear?
A 100mil free would be a transfer of funds? Old rules.
But an NG at 1 euro is obviously not 🫠

LIBRE LIBRE JE SUIS LIBRE.

Magpie: Mais il n'est plus interdit !
Vraiment, Blagoje, tu es sur l'ancien réglement je crois ^^

Sur le nouveau qui a été oublié hier, ce n'est plus interdit :/

Transfers of funds will always be prohibited, it's the amount that becomes free - it seems simple at first glance.

myforsans: Transposons à la vie réelle :
Plus de vitesse maximale sur les routes
Plus,de salaire minimum pour payer un salarié
Plus d'âge minimum pour acheter des clopes
Plus d'âge minimum pour faire bosser un enfant la nuit
Etc...
Il se passe quoi à votre avis ?

N'importe quoi, rassure moi tu devez fumer de bonne dope toi 🤣🤣🤣

Magpie: Mais il n'est plus interdit !
Vraiment, Blagoje, tu es sur l'ancien réglement je crois ^^

Sur le nouveau qui a été oublié hier, ce n'est plus interdit :/

Er published... because forgotten I don't think, unless it's premonitory.

For those who don't understand, I'll do the subtitles.

Aymeric has come up with an idea to deal with a problem that only he knows about.
Officially, the objective isn't clear, so it can't be admitted as it stands.
(Everyone can make up their own minds!)

If you'd wanted to encourage mutual assistance, you would have limited the amount of money that can be given in cartels to 20 million and abolished taxes on this type of transaction, while retaining the rules on transfers. So the objective is different from the one announced :)

The admins are going through this with zero communication.
So they're trying as best they can to manage the soft landing.

What will become of this deregulation? Certainly excesses, but above all a lot more noise and work for the admins. VF worked like this a long time ago, but it was a much simpler game to make money in. So good luck to you, fasten your seatbelts, it's going to move! :)

Zeus: Les transferts de fonds seront toujours interdit c'est le montant qui devient libre ça paraît simple à première vue

Is that so? And how do you see it?
Go ahead and check the rules and tell me where it says that money transfers are forbidden? :)

@myforsans, uh yes, my bad, "published" and not "forgotten". I don't think it's an oversight, unfortunately. And it even makes sense if you deregulate because you can't characterise a fund transfer (unless you've got a big fat PM organising it). But then, it's probably been logically deleted, you'll have to ask Aymeric

Magpie: Ah bon ? Et tu le vois comment ça ?
Vas-y, fouille le règlement, et dis moi où c'est marqué, que les transferts de fonds sont interdits ? :)

@myforsans, euh oui, my bad, "publié" et non "oublié". Je ne pense pas que ce soit un oubli, malheureusement. Et c'est même logique si on dérégule car tu ne peux pas caractériser un transfert de fond (sauf si tu as un bon gros MP qui l'organise). Mais du coup, ça a probablement été logiquement supprimé, il faudra demander à Aymeric

Oh fuck it's been removed.... 😭😭😭😭
Well, it's all the same to me, so it's open bar 🤡🤡🤣🤣😭😭🤣🤣

A million currently costs 50 euro cents on the vfstore (aid paid only to level 1), i.e. €50 for 100 million.

When a parallel market is created to sell his vf money and aymeric earns less money. He'll put the market back on an even keel.

Have fun 👍🏾

Socrate: Amusez-vous bien 👍🏾

Yeah not really concerned and other interests

estac: Actuellement le million coûte 50 centimes d'euros sur le vfstore (aide reversée seulement au niveau 1), soit 50€ les 100millions.

Quand un marché parallèle sera créé pour vendre son argent vf et qu'aymeric gagnera moins d'argent. Il remettra en place la régulation du marché.

Not really ESTAC.

More like 2 euros per million VFiens ;)

Good day to you all

Greg83: Pas vraiment ESTAC.

Disons plutôt 2 euros le million VFiens ;)

Bonne journée à tous

The 16M cost 80 stars or €8. That's 50 cents per million 😉

estac: Les 16M coûtent 80 étoiles soit 8€. Nous sommes bien à 50 centimes le million 😉

Ah yes indeed
Nice precision 😁😁
It's very profitable looking like this 😅😅

Hi all, starting tomorrow I'm selling all my 99 NG ( 1 billion head ) first come first served bizette 😘

Speaking of which how free it is.
If the club in Bourac's name can buy me players at full price it would be a pleasure, as I'm poor :)

Honnêtement dommage que cette nouvelle règle est passée en 49.3 qu'alors la majorité de la communauté était contre (admin anti triche inclus )

Honestly, I don't understand this decision. Removing all limits on the transfer market is an enormous idiocy that could lead to a lot of abuse: arranged sales, transfers disconnected from the real value of players... and, let's face it, a return in force of multi-accounts (mules and cash cows).

A minimum framework would have guaranteed a little fairness and economic consistency between clubs. Now we're clearly opening the door to a Wild West-style market.

In any case, good luck! Personally, I'm glad I'm no longer an admin 😅

estac: Actuellement le million coûte 50 centimes d'euros sur le vfstore (aide reversée seulement au niveau 1), soit 50€ les 100millions.

Quand un marché parallèle sera créé pour vendre son argent vf et qu'aymeric gagnera moins d'argent. Il remettra en place la régulation du marché.

You're explaining to me that my bank account is worth almost £1,000? 🤣🤣🤣

Blagoje Vidinic: Il est à noter que seuls les montants des transactions sont libres.

Tout transfert servant pour un transfert de fonds sera annulé.
Tout transfert entre multicomptes sera annulé.
Tout transfert intra-IP sera annulé.
Tout transfert effectué pour contourner une règle stipulée dans le règlement (soigner plusieurs fois par jour un joueur ou le faire bénéficier de plusieurs événements, par exemple) sera annulé.

And how do you detect a transfer of funds? I'm intrigued, given that the market is free.

In any case, good luck to the admins who will remain to manage this. And a thought for their predecessors (Morten, Galy ....) who are seeing all the work they've done swept away with a wave of the hand.

Today, it's hard for the people who worked with you on this game, Aymeric, and who loved it. I hope you realise that.

Good luck to you all.

Indeed ....

I'm switching to bug admin, so the anti-cheating admin label will be too much for me to bear.
I'm happy to help out the community a bit with game settings, but that's about it, so there's no need to bother me with suspicions of cheating or anything else.

But have a bit more fun 😁