Hello.

During yesterday's audio session with Aymeric, he announced a number of surprising things.
One of them is to remove all price regulation barriers. Totally free prices.
So we'll be able to sell NG99s at 100k for friends, or NG10s at 300M if I've understood correctly.
So it's the legalisation of giving money away.

The idea is interesting, and has its arguments, but it raises a number of issues that need to be studied, particularly from the point of view of anti-cheating.
Aymeric seems to be calm on this point. There are, however, a number of questions (e.g. linked (authorised) accounts).

In short, it might be interesting for us to provide some food for thought?
Your comments? (Constructive, please 🙏)

hi
there's nothing to disagree with here, what he said is very clear and, above all, it's been called for a long time.
no more TA assessments
no more restrictive tables
he has opened the floodgates and that's 1 very good thing at last
PK wants to try again and again to find 1means of circumventing via 1 regulation what he is going to put in place, his goal is precisely that there are no more regulations on this subject.
As he said so well, the cheating is there anyway via the agreements so that everyone benefits and this cheating will no longer serve any purpose.

As I pointed out on the live chat yesterday, I find it illogical that donations to the cartel are limited, but that through this future change to transfers we'll be able to give all our money to cartel members via high player transfers at low NG.

I don't really see the positives in this announcement...
It's only going to widen the gap between the big deals and the small/medium ones.
The members of the big agreements will sell themselves huge players at a reduced price or even for free to strengthen their memberships and will sell at a completely exaggerated price to members outside their agreements.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but at first sight this decision seems to me to be one of the worst in recent months.
And I'm not criticising for free... in fact I hardly ever post on VF.

There are indeed things to iron out.

For my part, my fear lies in linked accounts.
I declare that my wife or my cat wants to play. I create a completely legal, declared account, as is done today.
So I've got a 'mule' account that's going to make me a lot of money, train me players, and so on.
A totally legal double account because you can't check who's running it.
This aspect bothers me.

But the total liberalisation of the market doesn't shock me at the moment, and I'm happy to wait for the arguments to make up my mind.

So we're going backwards?
Is it effective immediately?

You'll be using intra-ip whether you're lending it or buying it, so on this point, it won't change.
intra ip will still be prohibited by the game even if you declare it.
Take the case of transfers on the vfo
20% less FOR CPs If you sell yourself compared to me, that was the injustice.
Internal transfers in agreements, without an agreement, that was the injustice.
Now, yes, prices are going to fall on transfers, but prices are already dead, so it can't get any worse, and that too, I'm going to say, is a good thing, because you get less for the infrastructure, even the mdj has lowered its stadium to 56k.
bcp de septiques ou tout ceux qui s'amusaient a signale avec le pt bouton ferront la tete car maintenant ce pt bouton ne sert plus à rien, mais jusqu'à et encore cette saison c'était deja 1abberation pour les autres membres ce qu'il se passeait.
We're all on an equal footing here, which will give the AT time to concentrate on the bug part, which is precisely the most important.

In that case, why not allow managers to buy money from the VF Store in the same way that level 1s can, with constraints of course? It would have been more logical to do that ...

Then the game will become a Pay to win...

The end of price regulation does not mean that intra-IP transfers will be authorised.

Handling errors (sale on a purchase list instead of a loan, acceptance of a low-price offer, etc. ) can no longer be reversed.

Basically, what used to be cheating is now allowed.....
Congratulations, real progress!

MAGPIE
to change your mind in your reflexion
niv1 vient de se creer 1compte , il va recevoir x aide de vf et ou du store , les prix resteront attractifs pour lui mais bcp d'anciens ralaient justement car apre passe niv2 c'était devenu injoueable pour lui et souvent soit il recommencerait en niv soit il quittait vf .
The money on vf had become 1fleau on vf because to have 1 big player it was you were in 1grosse agreement with many members to be able to hope to have 1 complete team at discounted prices, or you were obliged to cheat.
Tomorrow you'll see players at very low prices, but having 10 accounts will no longer be of any use as prices will be very low for everyone, so yes, you won't feel the pain immediately as some will try to impose high prices, but in the medium or long term this will become a norm and everything will be accessible.

Great for the tax reduction, we're back on the road to much more mutual aid.

What I remember is that there will be various challenges.
Probably refreshment stands and chips stands 🍟 🍟 🍟

Clearly I'm all for helping each other, I've never understood so many barriers.

we'll have to put up some barriers, otherwise there'll be anarchy :)

Anyway, I can't wait for the new season so that instead of auctioning off my players to comply with the rules, I can finally donate them to whoever I want :)
If that's not beautiful

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"My arms are falling off! "

On a more serious note, I completely agree with ARL and BVL's posts... And I'm not sure that this outrageous liberalisation of prices improves the mix of player values in the game. Quite the opposite, in fact. It's a safe bet that the Ententes will develop an "entre soi" approach to transfers, since these will involve exchanges of capital between the richest clubs and the others. This will enable the best-established Ententes to allow their members to reach the top more quickly, whereas independent clubs and those with small structures will continue to struggle and will be even more tempted to join the most powerful Ententes.

The only way to ensure that free-price transfers are not legalized money-giving would be for there to be an algorithm that sets a minimum price (this already exists for evaluating VFstore players). All that would need to be done is to transpose it to transfers by setting, for example, a minimum threshold of 60 or 70% of the price resulting from the algorithm.
But then, of course, grumpy people will say that in that case it's no longer free prices :) :) : )

Otherwise, if I can buy the best player in the game for a symbolic € on the pretext that he belongs to a friend who is stopping the game or, to take the example above, to an account managed by my cat, it's THE END OF THE GAME in the fairly near future.

Furthermore, what's the point of limiting support to level 1: my grandmother creates a level 1 account and with her support buys a pearl and sells it to me for €1. I'd like someone to explain to me how this differs from the fact that I would have benefited directly from support as a level 10 player.
If someone can explain it to me, OK, I'll say it's (maybe) a good reform, but as long as I don't have that explanation, I can only consider it to be a seriously bad reform.

Aymeric said yesterday that he would like to see an increase in the number of agreements on VF.
Complete price liberalisation goes exactly against this plan.
The big cartels (and I'm one of them) will be heavily favoured. For a VF manager, being part of one of the top 5 cartels will be crucial to his or her development. At LV, for example, we already have a large number of levers available for mutual assistance. But here there's no limit and the power of a large community will be phenomenal compared to a smaller agreement.
I remain very sceptical.

my dear myrfosans
when 2.3 years ago you were buying youngsters on vf at very low prices to get youngsters from the 17 year old blind with crazy potential,

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Who's "you" me? Or is it a "you" replacing "we" to say (everyone)?

because if it's me, give me an example! Not two or three, one will do :) :) :)

Don't start to go off in a huff, we'll discuss and give our opinion on the battle, the fight in mp thanks

Concernant les amicaux c'est basé sur votre niveau donc facile moyen dure réellement plus actualité
On the other hand for the small level there will be small adversaries

Not necessarily, the so-called medium-sized cartels will have their say too.
Because in the end the big agreements have already their 100 ie given with that big stable.
A lot of the medium-sized teams have the finances but not the teams, so now they could easily have the 10 loyal, well-equipped clubs.
That can relaunch I say.

Indeed if you restrict the ie, it would be more complicated.
For the big agreements it will change nothing, they have easy the 15/25 clubs to make them.

Yeah, but I've had 1 or 2 helpings to set up refreshment stands and chip stalls.

There will also be a massive influx of multi-accounts.
If there is no longer a price table to respect, then it will be easy to sell players with one, two, three ... multi that you create by charging a player 60M when he is worth 10.

How are multis spotted these days? Often through transfers. How will we be able to report dubious transfers if there are more rules on prices?

A thought for our anti-cheating admins. All that work put through the mill in one evening.
I'd love to have their opinion on this reform.
As far as I'm concerned, there's no point in having anti-cheating admins now that it's going to be legalised.
I've got the impression that Aymeric is the UCI and that he's just authorised EPO.

Aaaaah to be transferred 2-3 big 99NG for a pittance just before the LDC final mmmmhh

Here, I've finished my 10IE, take my 5 crackers for a pittance, I'll take them back at the start of the next season.

Here's a 40NG player for 300 million, this one has potential, you'll see.

Is that VF next season? I'll stop right now, what's the point?

Because there are guys on VF who work hand in hand with administrators to look for multis and report them.

I'm going to reply here, as Lomax made the same request as you, but he forgot that he blocked me from sending mp's, so I can't reply to him, which hurts my feelings ...

It so happens that a long time ago, long before I became admin myself, a friend of mine and I uncovered a major flaw in a now-defunct agreement. This led to a number of accounts being hacked and other things happening.

When this friend stumbled across around fifty (multi)accounts that were multiplying more than suspicious transfers between them, he told me and the admins about it. Afterwards, I ask him about the progress of all this, that's all.

Personally, I think the problem is more with the people who cheat than with those who inform the administrators of the cheating. I invite you to focus on that. 👍

Pathetic

why wait 56 days ???? for the tax? for 1 euro there will be virtually no tax, so it's up to him.

Perhaps the MDJ is fed up with justifying and maintaining this regulation to the regulatory authorities? No more transfer regulations, no more disputes, no more problems at this level.

Those who are having a ball buying and selling must be enjoying it, especially with the announced tax cuts. So much the better for them, who have been eating black bread for a while.

As for the rest, we'll see what happens with this (lack of) regulation... I'd like to think that it will encourage mutual aid and development within the community, but I still doubt it. I'm hopeful, though, because we're seeing transfers for less than a million to strengthen young teams in need. Solidarity is a beautiful thing, even more beautiful than a clean arse.

I see, but the rule of transfers returning to the club before 56 days will still apply, won't it?

For the time being, it is there, and there has been no mention of removing it, which seems highly appropriate to avoid disguised loans.

I think I read here that we're totally controlling old-style dual accounts (thanks to ... the IP). And my iPad with a separate SIM card in 5G, is that detected too? And my work phone... I could have 2 dual accounts without ever being on the wifi and sell myself players for £1. You're going to have to be really careful.

It's obvious that there will be a spike in vf sign-ups next season. But not for the right reasons 🤔

Well, I find this reform completely absurd.
It goes against everything.

And I'm surprised that Lomax is defending it... It's a godsend for him. Mr "I've got a clean arse", well, not for sure, please look for me because from where I am I can't see very well.

So if we're going to beat around the bush, we might as well get both hands in. You're defending this new reform because it fits in perfectly with the way you play: exploit any loophole you can, cheat at the slightest opportunity, get around the rules to gain an advantage.

You say that each account you made cost you €50. That's not true.
Here's a list of accounts that you've created and with which you've accumulated level 1 support, so that you can transfer it from certain accounts to others.
This list is obviously incomplete because I'm too lazy to type out all 50 links.
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etc etc...
There are 47 or 48 in all, to be precise.

These clubs all use the same procedure: collect aid at level 1 and transfer the funds to other clubs who do the same thing, the snowball effect reaching astronomical sums.
In the case of the transfer of funds, the procedure was as follows: recruit an old player who was available, buy the old player from club A to club B, and then convert him into staff immediately afterwards. As a result, the player's name disappears (it's called "no player") and the transfer line also disappears from the general transfer log. However, the line remains in the individual club transfer logs.

Here's an example:

We see Veronatip spend €305m for "no player" from AC Milan.
We also see him sell 3 "no players" for €7m to FC Valencia, €211m to Manchester UNT and €100m to Botana UV.

The technique is always the same. Sometimes there's a difference: instead of a straight transfer, there are also players in transit in the exchanges. Sometimes it's players with a low market value, and sometimes it's the fallout from U17 events, so players with high potential.

For example, again at Veronatip:

We see two "no players" bought from moxan style for 7.1M + 1 player, and 12.1M + 1 player.

Just imagine the number of transfers between all these clubs... The more there is, the more complicated it is to sort out the spaghetti.
But when you come across cheating of this magnitude, you look for the head of the snake, and I've found it in the person of Lomax.

And here's why.
Lomax is the only active player to have had transfers with the panoply of banned clubs.

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There are purchases + swaps with Manchester UNT, P.S.G and Real Madrid.
There are outright purchases of €3m from Valencia, Arsenal and Veronatip.

Given the recurrence, type and sums spent (€3m), it's clear that there was no need to negotiate or swap PMs, given that the clubs in question are managed by him.

By sending all this to Jeffus, the clubs have been banned, the possibility of converting an old player directly after the purchase is no longer possible, but Lomax is still there with his clean arse. lol.

So, to sum up:

1. Here's why Lomax is defending this new reform. He'll still be able to create accounts, collect subsidies and transfer them to himself, and this time he won't even have to hide - it'll be authorised.

2. Now that it's open to anything and everything, expect to see other people doing the same thing. Welcome to the kingdom of Lomax, please take a seat. Can I offer you some tea while you wait for the carnage?

Just a thought for Morten, who really worked his arse off to draw up the table of values to frame the market as best he could...