sanders |
22/08/2025Hello everyone.
I have a quick question, just to understand how it works.
I've played 9 away matches out of the last 10 IE matches I've played.
Can someone explain to me how it works? I'm not trying to reverse the statistic, but at least be balanced.
Maybe I've just been unlucky.
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Rull43 |
22/08/2025It's just against you, the next 20 will still be away 🤣
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sanders |
22/08/2025Mdr thanks Rull, fortunately I don't have to pay for the players to travel 😂
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steril |
22/08/2025I've noticed that if you accept an offer in the toilet, you're often in deep shit!
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King |
22/08/2025I'm not sure (to be checked), but the home match goes to the club that first clicked on a free date.
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sanders |
22/08/2025I can confirm that it's not the one that clicks first as I've had both cases on both IEs coming in and both on the outside.
I have a feeling it's fine, just a matter of luck 😅
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Kevin-7130 |
22/08/2025hazard14 |
23/08/202510 out of 12 outside....
Maybe we can find a system to balance everyone out
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hazard14 |
23/08/2025Ced90 |
26/08/2025I think I'm at 9/9 away from home too, there's got to be a trick, it's not possible to have a proba like that.
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Bernarinho |
26/08/2025I checked ALL the games to make my calculations and on average it's 50/50: one away team and one at home.
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Lebaygue |
26/08/2025Well, in any case, if there's a team playing away, there's bound to be one playing at home, so the 50/50 seems a bit inevitable^^.
Those who are complaining about their ratio this season must not have looked at it in other seasons... And maybe they have a toenail that grows faster than the same toe on the other foot, they should check.
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hazard14 |
26/08/2025If we're talking about it, it's because it's not new....
15 out of 18 away from home for me over 3 seasons.
So maybe I'll have to go back to season 36 to get my balance right. Thanks to vf light for this info
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hazard14 |
11 month agoI'll come back to this 19 out of 24 outside..... it might be nice to do something to balance this out.
I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation.
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brewen |
11 month agoThat's the problem with making "probabilities" on a small scale. On a panel of 100 matches already, you can find variations of 10-20% depending on the season, by agreement (the number of home matches per season varies between 40-60% in general). So on a panel of 10-20 matches, it's not impossible to find variations ranging from 20% to 80% of matches at home. But the main thing is that over many more games, everything will balance out.
If we take a slightly larger sample (those in the top 6, and the lower agreements in D1 with 60 matches already scheduled) over the current season alone :
LV: 35/69 (50.72%)
LR: 32/55 (58.18%)
CP: 31/53 (58.49%)
Circle: 23/60 (38.33%)
RTG: 27/62 (43.55%)
LGM: 32/54 (59.26%)
Team Bourgogne: 37/67 (55.22%)
L'entente languedocienne: 24/66 (36.36%) (potentially slightly underestimated due to a lack of tags and therefore visibility)
We can see what I was saying above, with "big" inequalities at the start of the season depending on the agreement. But if we add them up to arrive at a larger scale :
Ndomicile = 35+32+31+23+27+32+31 = 211
Ntot = 69+55+53+60+62+54+67 = 420
NDomicile / Ntot = 211/420 = .... 50.238095238%
With 420 matches, taking only 8 of the 16 D1 agreements, we can see that it seems to be 50-50 between home and away.
Conclusion: Never draw conclusions based on a small sample when you want to highlight trends of this kind (especially when you have the possibility of using large samples).
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Drezzo35 |
11 month agoAll my ie outside for me 😅
But it's a bit random, so we'll have to make do 😉
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sora02 |
11 month agoOn the other hand, this season 35 out of 69 Ie are at home, an average of 1/2, for you LV.
You may not have succeeded, but in comparison your friends have, there's no point, it's clearly a coin toss, and the more you throw it, the lower the variance will be and tend towards 1/2.
have a good day
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Socrate |
11 month agoThat's right.
Try launching your IE's with Myforsan, he seems to be getting all the luck he needs to play his IE's at home with his 4/5.
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hazard14 |
11 month agoI'm not just talking about this season ....
And if anyone has the figures I think that some agreements have far more matches ie at home than away. I'm not quoting any agreement, but finding a solution that balances things out for everyone would be a good idea, given the importance of playing at home.
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michbou |
11 month agoI think the one who asks (plays) on the outside every time
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bluethunders26 |
11 month agomichbou |
11 month agoCareful, I didn't say it was safe I think I did say ( I think)
So don't rush me or my heart will give out 😅😅😅😅😅😅
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michbou |
11 month agoBut I'd really like our opponents to put forward some valid arguments.
Thank you young people
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Magpie |
11 month agoContradictors of what exactly?
Hazard's theory or your answer?
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michbou |
11 month agoFor homes/outside when we make the request 🤔
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Magpie |
11 month agoThe arguments are simple: those who do IE have already seen it... It's not because you make a request that it puts you on the outside, de facto.
At worst, if you don't believe it, try? Try asking even 5 questions and you'll see. And if you fail even once, you'll have your answer.
But I'm telling you, if you want to save time, you're on the wrong track with this statement.
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Tchub |
11 month agoThink about it Michbou, if everyone who made the request automatically played at home, don't you think everyone would just make a request and no one would accept a match?
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michbou |
11 month agobrewen |
11 month agoAs far as I'm concerned, you're just speculating, mainly because the data we can see doesn't allow us to validate or refute this hypothesis. You'd have to do the same large-scale analysis as above, but not by agreement, just by 2 groups:
- Home vs away matches of those making the request (figures not known)
- Home vs away match of those accepting the request (figures not known)
Theoretically, for 10,000 matches, we should obtain 2,500 matches for each of the four options, i.e. :
=> Players making the request (if the ratio is 50-50) :
2,500 home
2,500 away
=> Players who have accepted the request (if the ratio is 50-50) :
2500 home
2500 away
And secondly, what would be the point of modifying the code for the random 50-50 allocation proba created for the other match/competition modules depending on who makes the request, and the competition mode you're in? It would require a bit more work for the MDJ, for an illogical purpose.
On the other hand, it's easy to get a biased statistical impression on a small scale (10-50 matches), which is where this speculation comes from.
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hazard14 |
11 month agoGive me probabilities on several seasons and not on 1 season to show what suits you 😉
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hazard14 |
11 month agoMaybe no luck but 18 or 19 out of 23 over 4 seasons is a lot.....
To be honest, I'm making odds on 1 season....
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brewen |
11 month agoI'm doing probabilities on a sample of 420 matches. You're doing probabilities on a sample of 23. When you don't know how to handle statistics and probabilities, sometimes it's better not to say anything.
And as far as "a single season" is concerned, we all know that A45 has no business changing its home/away allocation algorithm every season, which would make it impossible to produce statistics for a single season, even with 1,000 games... That said, it is possible, and that's the limit of my analysis above.
But frankly, when you don't know a thing, sometimes it's better to keep a low profile, listen and study to get a feel for the subject.
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Socrate |
11 month agoYou were luckier when it came to drawing your opponents, without wishing to insult the others, but apart from Skyz 2 times, Estac 2 times and Jex 1 time, the other 19 matches were ones where you were favourites and clearly within your reach.
But as far as I'm concerned, your bad luck in playing away from home was offset by the adversity of your IE's.
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Magpie |
11 month agoDon't bother, Brewen. You could show him the moon, he'd look at your finger.
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hazard14 |
11 month agoTkt I'm looking more with you CP 😉
I'll go and discuss it on discord. You will still have the conversation since you put a mole among the lv 😉
Good day CPs 😀
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Socrate |
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hazard14 |
11 month agoExcuse me, maths teacher.
You can run your probabilities over a season and it won't give me any answers to what I'm saying....
You need 2 teams to play a match, so you're bound to get 50-50 ...
Give me your probabilities over 3 or 4 seasons and we'll talk again...
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hazard14 |
11 month agoTkt I cut Socrates short.
All I ask is that it's balanced for everyone, even in my own agreement.
You can give me vf top 10s for every game, that's not the problem. Just a bit more balance wouldn't be bad and I'm not talking about 1 season here.
Bonne journée
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Pierabou |
11 month agoit's going to be difficult to do anything more balanced than 34/69.
The current IE mechanism means that there is no automatic recalculation to balance by manager. That said, brewen's average per agreement shows that within a single agreement, on the whole, you can't complain too much, even if there are occasional discrepancies.
So, if for you what's important is the balance per manager, we can understand that, but you won't win your case and frankly, you're denouncing a false problem.
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hazard14 |
11 month agoAt least you understood what I meant, my friend.
Because I'm talking about my case where it's really an imbalance over several seasons.
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Lolo7 |
11 month agoYes, but you're talking about IE hazard matches. So an agreement. So potentially more managers than just one. So you can't make this all about you. It's just bad luck on your draw. Some of your colleagues in the agreement have more than you, that's all. It may reverse itself one day, or it may not.
Brewen couldn't be clearer and his sample is very good, more than 400 matches over 6 agreements... He surely has other things to do than that, so you can do your ratios on the 6 agreements over the last 10 seasons if you like, but you'll see that the stats that come out will be very close.
An agreement is a multitude of members, so your variable drops, that's normal. That's normal.
Good luck to everyone in the race for the title.
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hazard14 |
11 month agoIf you have 4 seasons in a row with a 60% home advantage, your chances are still good?
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Lolo7 |
11 month ago60% isn't crazy for one agreement, as you say. You're telling me 80% over 4 deals is crazy. But that's not the case at the moment.
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hazard14 |
11 month agoThat doesn't change the fact that even if we were at 51%, for me that's not equal. I don't think they'd be as happy as you'd like them to think.
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Galywat |
11 month agoThere's no such thing as an agreement that has 40% every season, after a while it's bound to tend towards 50%, it's the law of large numbers.
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Lolo7 |
11 month agoFind that agreement over several seasons, as you suggest, and we'll talk again.
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hazard14 |
11 month agoSince we're talking about it again, why don't you find me a 50 50 over several seasons 😉
I'll stop here.
Bon jeux à tous
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Lolo7 |
11 month agoNobody's saying it's going to be 50/50, if that's what you want to play with. Then you know an average is..... An average. It's incredible, I know. And what's even more unbelievable is that you could potentially have an agreement that will have 60% at home in season X and 40% at home in season Y. The principle of an average. It balances out over the seasons and if you don't know that, too bad for you. We shouldn't talk about isolated cases, but rather about a group. An agreement, you see.
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sora02 |
11 month agoHazard, with all due respect, don't you think you're getting bogged down in a subject you don't seem to master?
Talking about NG, MDM, other things, why not.
But then to imply that agreements are disadvantaged/advantageous in the long term on home/away matches, well... OK, it's drama time, but what you're saying here sounds more like far-fetched platist hypotheses than anything concrete...
And on top of that, the commu is trying to take its time explaining concepts to you that you don't seem to master, and you're almost patronising them with your "ok, we'll talk about it later" attitude...
Come on, do your mea culpa and let's close the subject, and you'll probably have learnt a lot of really interesting concepts in the process
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hazard14 |
11 month agoSo give me proof that there's a 50 50 😉 It's all very well taking me for a moron every time, but put it in black and white with all the matches that we're all equal... meaculpa when it's always the same people looking for me? No thanks
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Galywat |
11 month agoBecause perhaps 19/23 is enough to demonstrate anything?
You're the one questioning this system, it's up to you to show that it's wrong. And I'm sorry, but 23 games won't be enough. Take a few thousand matches from an agreement to prove your assertion.
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michbou |
11 month agoHolla Les râleurs , I was making an assumption
So No Violence 🤔😅😅😅😅
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Lebaygue |
11 month agoTo write 2 pages on Hazard's whining....j hesitates between saluting the courage of some or being sorry.
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sora02 |
11 month agoYou're kind, but I think you've got the problem backwards. You're obviously the only one questioning the subject of "chance", so it's up to you to provide the evidence and the studies.
Questioning without data, when you're the only one, or an extreme minority, to think that, well, you look like a knot.
It's not up to others, many of whom have provided you with factual answers at secondary school level, to provide you with a statistical study based on thousands of variables.
If you want to start a fight, no one's stopping you, but don't say that other people are the problem.
I'll stop here
Have a nice day 👍🏻
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hazard14 |
11 month agoI've got proof because I'm 19 out of 23 outdoors, so I'd like to see other proof over 4 seasons. In short, there's no point, it'll be a never-ending subject.
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brewen |
11 month agoUnfortunately, you're the one who's creating an endless topic where almost everyone has already ended it since the start of the discussion in order to imply that the matchmaking system is deliberately privileging people. (There are indeed privileged players, but they are randomly selected over a short period of 10 to 30 matches).
You say that you've had 19 away draws for 4 home draws, all over 4 seasons. So you're questioning the randomness of the 50-50, on the basis that 23 draws are sufficient proof, and that the seasons are a possible bias that needs to be taken into account.
To illustrate your reasoning, it would be like saying that if I toss a coin (heads or tails, to illustrate 50-50), I could prove that 50-50 is false if I did 6 tosses on 4 consecutive days of the week, and in the end, I got heads 19 times and tails 4 times out of the whole thing. Would that make sense to you?
Not for me. Quite simply, 23 throws aren't enough to represent what Galy linked to, i.e. the 50-50 probability. If you did 100 throws over those 4 days, you'd get results closer to 50-50. Or 6 throws over 50 days. In any case, it's not the number of throws you make per day, or the weather at the time of the toss that will influence the results, but rather the number of iterations to best represent the Heads versus Tails proba defined in your population (which will also allow you to see whether the coin is more or less rigged). In this case, your 4 seasons excuse is similar to the days of the week that would influence the probability of the coin flipping heads or tails. If the probability of getting Heads (home match) or Tails (away match) is not modified/ruined day after day (season after season), then the main parameter that matters is the number of coin tosses (number of scheduled matches) to highlight the 50-50 distribution.
I couldn't explain the situation any clearer, I hope it helps you understand. :)
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Galywat |
11 month agoBesides, you're confusing equality with fairness. It's a fair system, not an egalitarian one.
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sanders |
11 month agoWell, it's all going a bit in all directions here, my basic subject was to understand how it works, if there was an operation to understand. Apparently it's just total randomness.
Duly noted, as long as over a season the dom/ext are more or less balanced between the agreements, that's still fair and isn't the original subject.
Where I personally got a bit fed up was playing 18 or 19 IE games out of 20 away from home.
Personally, I found it a bit cumbersome always playing away from home.
In fact, I finally played 3 away games at home at the start of the season.
Basically, I think it would have been a good idea to have a system that would simply balance out the individual matches.
That's what my friend Hazard is also talking about.
Perhaps it would be better to close this topic, which seems to have covered everything.
Have a nice evening
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