Ancelloti |
04/08/2025It's as if it's impossible to get past 5XG in the game despite the number of chances or goals.
#match?mid=6373986&stats
It's a record in ie of all seasons this one is there.
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Drezzo35 |
04/08/2025Max Kwim |
04/08/2025It's true that with such a great opponent, this must go down as one of VF🤣's major moments.
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lens59 |
04/08/2025With 44 members in agreement, don't they have anything better than an inactive member at 14 ng?
Points distribution
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Bubulateigne |
04/08/2025And 11 days without a connection. How did the club propose or accept the IE match so far in advance? 🤔
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Fougch |
04/08/2025It's just that his last IE was three days ago. So he was on schedule 11 days ago.
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Bubulateigne |
04/08/2025So the deadline depends on the time between 2 scheduled EIs and not on the 'absolute' day of the season?
By this I mean that if it's 4 August and I don't have an IE scheduled, I can only offer or accept until 13 August but if I have one scheduled on 8 August, I can accept or schedule on 16 or 17 August?
Thanks for your reply in any case🙂
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Fougch |
05/08/2025No, I don't think so, I just think that we can accept or schedule free days between the following day and D+9.
In this case, since his last IE was on August 1, he was able to schedule it on July 23 (as a reminder, there are 31 days in July). And 23 July was 12 days ago. He's been offline for 11 days, i.e. 24 July, and was able to schedule all his IEs.
Well, I'm not a rocket scientist, I'll have to check, but it makes sense to me 😅
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Bernarinho |
10/08/2025It seems quite possible to go beyond 5 XG
#match?mid=6396106&score
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k3vin59218 |
10/08/2025How about that?
Having an xg at 0.09 each ... having 5 occasions at 0!
Having the text mode is funny when you then see the XG 😆
Or the commentator AND the audience are blind
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Hydilik |
11/08/2025I don't know whether we can go beyond 5 XGs or not. Personally, I'm one of those people who think that XGs should disappear from this game. They're useless, they don't represent the matches! The only thing they add is frustration. You can even get the same number of chances on both sides and have an xG twice as strong as your opponent!
It does everyone a world of good to see that they should have won.
And to top it all off, there's even a league table with the XGs! How's that for pointless provocation?
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Ancelloti |
11/08/2025I think that the xg are calculated according to the opportunities there are opportunities that are very clear and others that are far from bringing a goal but I do not know if the game takes that into account. The game I shared with you 12-0 doesn't reach 5XG, the other game we've just shared with you 3-0 5.18 XG, what does it actually take into account when calculating these XG?
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Hydilik |
11/08/2025No, XGs are not calculated according to the occasion. It's really independent of the mdm.
Even if it's unlikely, you could have an XG of 1.0 and have 0 opportunities.
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Galywat |
11/08/2025Well, it's just a slightly less variable indicator than goals.
It reflects the tactical balance of power in a match rather than the final score. But it's still subject to probabilities, with all that goes with that, especially since it makes sense with a large sample of matches.
The problem isn't the xGs, it's the way some people interpret them.
That's the whole problem with probabilities, which are sometimes counter-intuitive.
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Hydilik |
11/08/2025Yes, I agree, that's why it's useless as an indicator, except to increase frustration.
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Demi-cerveau |
11/08/2025Of course it's useful as an indicator of the relevance of the strategy we've put in place. On the scale of a match, and on the scale of a season.
It's the reading of the indicator that's flawed, not the indicator itself.
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Galywat |
11/08/2025Well, I don't see why it should be removed. If some people are frustrated with it, they should just ignore it.
Personally, I think it's quite appropriate. You just have to take it for what it is.
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Ced90 |
11/08/2025I find the xG system quite coherent. It depends on the quality of each occasion.
It's just that fouls/cards sometimes add a bit of xG, which isn't very clear. But otherwise for chances, if you understand a bit how it works, you can guess your xG before the end of the match (to within 0.1).
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Marcus Aurelius |
11/08/2025Not at all.
It's all a matter of chance! #doigtmouillé
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Demi-cerveau |
11/08/2025Thank you Galy, thank you Galy, thank you
Thank you Galy, thank you Galy, thank you.
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myforsans |
11/08/2025I totally agree that it's pointless and even very often misleading in its translation for certain matches, particularly in terms of the % chances of winning / drawing / losing.
For example, you open the scoring at the very start of the match and then you bet like crazy with 500 in defence without creating the slightest chance and your opponent no more than one or two because, despite having much better overall stats, he can only muster 300 in attack.
At the end of the match, you'll have a very low Xg like your opponent, with a 10 or 15% chance of winning and a 60 or 70% chance of drawing, whereas your real chance of winning was probably close to 80% and the % of drawing was 10 or 15%.
Now, everyone is entitled to believe that this is a great indicator if they want to. And then everyone has the right to believe that they've been the victim of an injustice by fixating on this indicator and then come whining that the actual ranking of their championship doesn't correspond to the corrected ranking where they were well ahead.
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Eden Hzrd |
11/08/2025WITH 5 ATTACKERS XG NORMALLY EXPLODE 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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villa |
11/08/2025Eden Hzrd |
11/08/2025Soon you won't be allowed to do anything,
4-4-2 or 3-5-2 no other option 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Hydilik |
11/08/2025I misspoke.
You know what the word indicator means. The reality is that I see more of the opposite on the forum. These days, many clubs put forward xGs on a defeat because they should have won 3-0 with a 50% chance.
This remains my opinion, but I have the impression that many clubs give importance to an indicator that is independent of the match engine.
That's still my opinion, but I don't think it brings any more dissatisfaction or incomprehension to clubs starting out.
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Galywat |
11/08/2025It's not really independent of the match engine. It's just another transcription of the actions that appear in the live game.
(I preferred it when it updated during the match, but because some people just didn't understand its meaning it's been removed).
The constant race to the bottom, frankly no thanks.
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Hydilik |
11/08/2025I don't think the same as you. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think he's using the same factors to analyse the match.
MDM analyses by sector of play, whereas xG take a more global view. In short, you have higher values in defence, midfield and especially attack, so you have a better chance of winning.
On the other hand, the MDM can give victory to a weaker team, which is impossible for xGs. The xGs are always more important for the stronger team.
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Galywat |
11/08/2025Well, no, xGs don't always favour the strongest team.
Just like having more chances doesn't mean you were necessarily stronger.
It's very similar. You could see it very clearly in the old days, when you could see the evolution of xG over the course of a match.
Incidentally, you can still see part of it now by downloading the excel spreadsheets (I can't remember which file) ==> you can see the xG at the time of the action in question. If you cross-reference it with the match in question you'll see that it works in the same way as a goal or a chance. In fact, the big xG gains almost always correspond to a chance/goal.
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Hydilik |
11/08/2025I have matches with different xG and with a significant difference with the same number of chances. Obviously, if the teams are similar by more or less a certain value, the xG won't translate. But I'd say that if the xG difference is more than 100 points, the stronger team will automatically be declared the winner, whereas the weaker team can win the match (fortunately).
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Galywat |
11/08/2025It's just that opportunities or actions don't generate the same number of xg. You can have an opportunity/goal with few xg generated or, on the contrary, an opportunity/goal with a large xG.
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seblelionnais |
12/08/2025in fact, everything displayed by the MDM generates XGs to a greater or lesser extent. For example, a guy who makes a lot of mistakes will have a few
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Demi-cerveau |
12/08/2025Not at all. The mdm generates xg continuously, just like in the old days when you could see it rising little by little. It's just that it's no longer displayed, following comments from people who don't understand how a computer programme works, or what expected goals are.
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Galywat |
12/08/2025That's it. You generate them as the match goes on, and sometimes there are chances or goals that just generate more (in general, you can score a goal with 0.05 xG).
For those of you who are wondering, there's more here:
"Match actions" --> you can see the evolution of the match's xG at the time of each action (foul/chance/goal). It's not as accurate as a minute-by-minute view, but you can still see what's going on.
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Ancelloti |
12/08/2025Trying to understand the basis of the XGs provided by the mdm is complicated when you base your explanations on different statistics that are clear or understandable to you. It's complicated to explain them in the same way for every match you analyse.
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Galywat |
12/08/2025It's not complicated, it's just that most of those who complain don't understand that an 80% chance of scoring against 20 for the opposition at any given moment doesn't mean that the opposition will never score.
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