Aymeric,
This message will be the only communiqué from the LR.
We have tried to contact you privately but you refuse to answer our questions.

We'll give you a brief summary of the facts.
Teddy bought a player on the vfstore, which was accessible to everyone, and informed another manager that another player was about to arrive on the store. This second manager bought the youngster without having VIP access (he didn't have access to the agent to search).
These two players were at the regens auction.
You decided to ban Teddy for 2 months and the admins decided to fine Kevin.
Following his ban, Teddy asked Paypal for a refund, which he got. A dispute is currently in progress.
You've decided to recover this money by asking the LR to reimburse him, under penalty of dissolution, and you've added a penalty of minus 30 points to the cartel rankings.

We're only going to talk about the sanctions against the LR. Teddy's are his own.

We'll mention a few important points:
-Vfstore purchases belong to an individual, not to a cartel.
-Purchases made on the Vfstore belong to an individual and not to a cartel.
-The LR is not responsible for Teddy's request for a refund or for the conflict between you, him and paypal.
-Making conditional threats to obtain a payment constitutes extortion. (Article 321-1 of the penal code)

In view of all these elements, the LR has decided not to participate in the reimbursement of the 2,500 stars, a debt that does not impute to it.
We have sent you privately the procedure we will follow if the sanctions are not waived.

We all love VF, and we hope that you will reconsider your decisions.

The LR.

May I ask if an admin can block the post?
I don't think the purpose of this one is to get various responses from managers.
It's just to send a message to Aymeric, isn't it?

Reopened at the author's request

For VF's sake, I sincerely hope that discussions can resume in a spirit of calm.
The voice of wisdom is sometimes the one that knows how to step back in order to move forward together.
We salute the LR's historic commitment and hope that this situation will not dampen your passion for the game.
Above all, VF remains a community. Let's continue to look after it...

Hello everyone,

As most of you know I don't hold the RL in my heart and should be happy about this situation.
But I also love this game or I wouldn't have been here for so many years.
For the good of the game aymeric listens to the request of the LR, if we start to hit the agreements at the slightest misstep of their members have no more out.
The agreements remain and will remain the strong point of your game, vf remains your baby I understand it very well, you made of vf a super game but for that it was necessary to be 2 (creator and members).
We thank you so much (especially us old-timers who have been there for years and have grown up with your game) for giving you back the device with our loyalty. It would be nice to give it back to us by listening to us.
If for ONCE you could reply and at least give your opinion and why not discuss and exchange our feelings (let's be crazy).
I hope you'll take into account my message (from one of your oldest members and creator of the best agreement in the game) who is afraid that the game is going in the wrong direction.
Pour les profs de français merci de disposé ça me touche plus 😂

Ps: sans oublier LR tricheur! (Humour au cas où ) le message sanction ma assez dépouillé 😀

The biggest bosses are not deaf. And only fools don't change their minds. Whatever his choice, nothing will dent A45's credibility. He has created a game that some people have played for 20 years... Respect whatever happens. And strength to the LR too.

Basically I agree, but your comments are way off the mark. Then it's easy to open an account to come and lecture anonymously without risking being confronted with your comments.
That's very brave, bravo.

Stop you settling scores, do it in private that's not the point

There are opinions for and against.
Everyone can make up their own mind...
You should wait for Aymeric to speak before you start debating. If he does speak.
Because he's not obliged to respond to this press release. And if he doesn't, his judgement has already been made. The LR knows where it stands if the MDJ remains silent.

If things happened as described by Estac, I don't quite understand how a refund for a player's purchase from the Vstore which is then fraudulently cancelled by the person who made the purchase would generate a €400 loss.
If the loss is €400, then it must have involved much more than just one player and it must have been a practice repeated over time by Teddy (or other accomplices) and not limited to the purchase of one player.
Otherwise, where does the €400 figure come from?

First of all, I'd like to welcome your decision not to respond individually on the forum. I think this collective approach is more constructive. Isolated reactions could have further complicated the management of the situation for the forum administrators.

I won't take the liberty of passing judgement, as we lack clarity. Aymeric mentions several players, whereas you mention just one. This makes the matter difficult to interpret.

What is certain is that the difference between the theft of a player and a fine of 400 euros seems particularly disproportionate. I sincerely hope that you will be able to find common ground and that the situation will be resolved.

I think the €400 includes paypal claims.

Threatening the mdj with legal action isn't exactly the best strategy...bearing in mind that there are two LR admins...Let's say he capitulates, he'll cut to the quick from the admins' point of view...and nothing will stop him dissolving LR1 in any case and no avovat will be able to do anything about it.
In short, you've all gone mad, but that's nothing new.

You should create a special agreement just for admins, so there's no risk of them taking an interest.

"You weren't doing 90, you were doing 190!
For those who have seen Taxi, this line gives all the meaning to this story of fraud...
The Mdj has explained its penalty and the reasons for it. The LR, via Estac, explained its version...
And what we can say is that one is announcing crumpled metal and the other a totally exploded car... who's right? Who's wrong?
It doesn't go without saying, in my opinion, which only reflects me, that the LR announced an isolated cheat, a single poor little player, who clearly didn't deserve such a penalty... a small ban of 7 days at the most with a small stroke of the ruler on the fingers. And a mdj announcing a large-scale fraud over a certain period of time that the group that hosted him would also have benefited from (who cares about that at the moment). It's David against Goliath...

I respect all the agreements and particularly LR, because of our shared history in the competition and the mutual respect that embodies us, but I find this 'statement' inconsistent with the facts of the case. But as I said, that's just me. And I can't judge the merits of the story without any proof or evidence.

I'm obviously against dissolution. But I'm not against certain sanctions if Aymeric is right, and I'm not against those same sanctions if the facts fall short of what was announced.

I look forward to hearing the truth from the JAF, and I wish you all a good game.

Hello everyone

The subject is not designed to criticise the LR.

Thank you for respecting the subject and no longer settling scores, for this you have mp or discords.

In fact, there is no feedback on this topic other than from the MDJ. Hence the pertinent request to close this topic.

C'est des sacrés sommes qu'on parle la, si je dit bien si c'est 400€ qui doit être rembourser ça me ferait pas plaisir en tant que créateur du jeu que je ne les reçois pas. After that everyone pays for their stupidity of these two people or more I'm not too agree.si Aymeric has made this statement it is what does. Mais dès que on parle d'argent réel on passe sur un autre stats de confie. If it had been virtual money you could have dealt with it and done your mea-culpa by saying he cheated I'd ban him and move on to something else but here we're talking about real money with an anarchy and cheating at the end. After all I'm not judging anyone LR is a good agreement actually they made a mistake recruiting these players, it happens now the creator has made choices we must respect them hoping that it does not impact anyone in the game just who made the mistake. Hoping that all this ends quickly for the good of all.
Bon jeu a tous

The question is: what does it mean to dissolve an agreement, given that this is what is weighing on the LR?

While waiting for the JEX he's strutting around the Maldives with money from the vf store, the bastard
He just sent it to me on snap 🤣🤣

Your member cheated by stealing VF Store players from managers who were legitimately trying to obtain them, thereby giving him an advantage. The admins have discovered that certain special players were recruited very shortly after they had taken out a VIP subscription allowing them to use the advanced player agent to find these players: #vfstore?activity&uid=664190 . This demonstrates the deliberate exploitation of a bug.

As this manager was authorised to play Inter-Entente matches by his president, the cartel is therefore liable, and cheating in Inter-Entente competition systematically leads to the cartel being dissolved.

Secondly, as I told you in a PM, if you feel that your cheating doesn't deserve to be disbanded and that to defend this point of view you wish to lodge a complaint, I have nothing to say about that.

As you so rightly said, it would be a shame for the game to disappear. That's why I'll be doing all I can to defend it, whether it's against cheating or against those who are trying to shut it down.

For the sake of clarity, the "400€" does not only concern the SESKO player of the so-called bug/failure.
But because Jex has cancelled all his PayPal purchases since he created his Teddy account.

So in fact Aymeric is requesting that the LR cartel reimburse all the purchases made by Jex on the store during his AFU - FYM - LR journey, which is what the whole LR cartel is contesting.
Whether these purchases were made in order to obtain players in a totally authorised manner or not (if we rule that the purchase of Sesko was not authorised).

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The fym has already paid for its market share ^^
Direct deletion, without notice, as well as its billion 😂
Did you want it? You got it 😂 (humour )
Par contre je sais pas tout ( ça doit être l'âge sans doute ) si l'entente et considérais comme responsable c'est suppression immédiat à tes dire .
So the LR are responsible but in case of refund can continue.
So much the better in terms of substance, but it's still contradictory isn't it?

Hello Aymeric,
Thank you for your reply.

You're talking about exploiting a bug by subscribing to VIP.
As we can see, this subscription took place on 12/07, and Teddy hasn't played any inter-entente matches since then.
The LR has therefore not benefited from it.
What's more, the transfer was quickly cancelled.

If the agreement is to be dissolved in the event of cheating in competition, why did you ask us to repay teddy's debt via a kitty?
A debt that has nothing to do with LR1 and even less with LR2, as teddy has never set foot there.
I'm posting the link so that everyone can make up their own minds:
#vfstore?pool

Teddy played exclusively in LR1. I therefore conclude that the sanction of dissolution applies only to LR1.

To sum up, the important thing is not the cheating (if it has been proven) or the fact that the LR has benefited from it (as Estac pointed out, it has been proven that it hasn't).
If you pay 2,500 stars, can you continue to play even though you've cheated? Interesting!

So it's all about the money!

Money that a customer who has been blocked from accessing the services they paid for wants refunded. It's a seller/buyer dispute; a dispute that's easily settled if you have enough evidence to prove that the ban was justified.

Easier than using blackmail and extortion, because if you have to call a spade a spade, that's the method used.

I'm not sure about that.

I must admit I also find it hard to understand why it should be up to the other members to pay back the money Teddy stole.

If there's anyone who should be sued for anything, it's him, the others haven't asked for anything...

Hello,
I would like to set out the following facts about the current situation, confining myself exclusively to concrete, verifiable information. This is my right of reply

1. Initial context

• A denunciation was sent by Pieutte, referring to an alleged bug exploitation aimed at obtaining "regens" players via the store.
• This scenario was relayed without any evidence being presented.
• The real point raised by aymeric concerns a suspicion that I was aware of the date and time of the routine that fed the store.

2. My position on the alleged facts

• I declare that I came across this series of players by chance.
• I declare that I am aware of how the blind works, but that I have no knowledge of the precise times or the identities of the players generated.
• I declare that I have voluntarily used the player agent to find out about the players put up for sale by the seller. This is the main purpose of this service as it is offered.
• To date, there is no evidence of deliberate or fraudulent use of a bug or flaw in the system.

3. Lack of evidence

• There is no factual evidence of the exploitation of a technical flaw or anomaly.
• There is no previous history of similar behaviour on my part on the Teddy account.

4. Seller's actions

• Unilateral removal of legally acquired digital goods.
• Suspension of the service without presentation of proof.
• Refusal to respond to disputes opened via PayPal.
• Systematic suppression of all disputes, thus preventing any public response or defence.
• Use of threats against users.
• Implementation of a technical module enabling the automatic recovery of funds in dispute, even though the sums in question are not stolen but blocked as part of the PayPal procedure.

5. About PayPal

• PayPal is a company governed by strict dispute management rules.
• The procedures follow a precise legal framework.
• The seller has a right of reply in these procedures, which it has not used to date.

6. Payments and data protection

• A non-nominative PayPal account was used in order to protect my personal data, which had already been the subject of unauthorised disclosure.
• The seller published all my invoices online, making them publicly accessible.
• For the past two months, all payments have been made via a PayPal account in my name.

7. Measures taken on my part so far

• Voluntary abandonment of the disputes opened via the non-nominative account.
• I have offered to refund the €39.98 received on this account for a dispute that has already arisen.
• A dispute of €49.97 remains outstanding.
• This puts an end to the dispute concerning LR.

8. Continued

• A dispute remains active on my main account.
• As the formal notice has expired, legal action will be taken against the seller from 10pm this evening.

9. Reminder

• There is no factual evidence to suggest that a flaw or bug has been exploited.
• This message is purely factual.

All right, I understand the charges better, thank you for clarifying the situation. In any case, if Aymeric, the game's creator, has decided to make this decision, we have to respect what he says. Whatever happens, he's the only one who can make these choices because we all play his games if you're not happy, as they say, go elsewhere.
I've got a company with several employees and if they're not happy with the decisions I make, even if they're sometimes unnatural or sometimes by mistake, they're not going to tell me it's not logical, etc. I'm the one who pays, so I'm the one who decides for Aymeric, it's the same thing. You play his game so it's him who decides. Then you don't have to pay to get ahead in this game to be the best.

I'm just saying that money disputes can be resolved with good insurance, something this site should certainly have...

Who is Décibel?

I stopped reading after the word denunciation....

A quick thought for LR ¤ Lulu FC ¤ ... I'm with you!

It's been a long time since we've had a psychodrama... The same old ingredients ... Cheating or exploiting a loophole, no communication, sanctions, no communication.... That's all well and good.
Just one thing: wouldn't it be simpler if there hadn't been all this monetisation of the game? The idea is that we're basically in a pay-to-win situation.... Go on, then! Have a good night! And thanks to the admins for doing what they can....
PS: and the LR has always been a great agreement, it's enough to knock the historic agreements...

@pierrabou he cancelled the payments after he was blocked

I'm not an expert on the subject either.
All I know is that it concerns Aymeric - Jex - PayPal outside VF.
I hope they find a solution to their conflict.

Rachida Dati just needs to set up a VF account.

I've read everything. The mentality of the game has changed so much.... I stopped 10 years ago and came back about a year ago...

I see a sublime rift creation...the most beautiful...
If tomorrow any player wants to dissolve an agreement ... he applies, cheats, opens a dispute with Paypal ...
In fact, it's easier than putting a club back together after a 10-year absence 😂😂

In short, Aymerick, congratulations on your game but I doubt very much that this kind of decision will help to:

• motivate people to come along because, it has to be said, the game is much less lively than it used to be and I deplore that
• motivate members of the cartel to put money into the game...

And by the way, I think that with the idea of bringing in money it could be interesting to make offers such as discounts, packs etc if the aim is to make you richer and to motivate you to make a first purchase (the hardest thing to do)... all pay to win games do this,)

It serves as a lesson, PayPal offers a refund request service, anyone can make the request in the end. If you're not prepared to pay it back without a second thought, or you're not insured, or you don't have a budget for it, you should withdraw from PayPal 🤷. Every company manages this kind of thing.
The advantages of purchases are now obsolete... it's money that has been put into the game, and for which a refund is requested, you have to be able to deal with it and in itself no one will be impacted in any way. I don't think that virtuafoot has made a lot of investments that would explain any difficulty in repaying over time. After that it's a question of ego.
We shouldn't even be aware of this kind of story, which doesn't concern the agreements or the members, apart from those who have benefited from the flaw. Even the fact of knowing, of being in the same agreement and of having let it happen is not a fault in itself. It's not our role as members to manage this, or to take responsibility, or to denounce it. Some people play in their own corner, don't ask anyone for anything, and don't give a damn if others do something stupid. That doesn't mean they have to take responsibility.
Asking a cartel to reimburse one of its members is a huge joke.

I'm glad I've been playing it cool for 18 years on this game 😎😎😎

Take a breath guys 😋😋

Especially since the VF store wasn't originally a paytowin but for purely aesthetic reasons. It's changed a lot. Even I don't recognise the VF I've always known. It's a lot less interesting and pleasant than it used to be.