Aymeric,
This message will be the only communiqué from the LR.
We have tried to contact you privately but you refuse to answer our questions.

We'll give you a brief summary of the facts.
Teddy bought a player on the vfstore, which was accessible to everyone, and informed another manager that another player was about to arrive on the store. This second manager bought the youngster without having VIP access (he didn't have access to the agent to search).
These two players were at the regens auction.
You decided to ban Teddy for 2 months and the admins decided to fine Kevin.
Following his ban, Teddy asked Paypal for a refund, which he got. A dispute is currently in progress.
You've decided to recover this money by asking the LR to reimburse him, under penalty of dissolution, and you've added a penalty of minus 30 points to the cartel rankings.

We're only going to talk about the sanctions against the LR. Teddy's are his own.

We'll mention a few important points:
-Vfstore purchases belong to an individual, not to a cartel.
-Purchases made on the Vfstore belong to an individual and not to a cartel.
-The LR is not responsible for Teddy's request for a refund or for the conflict between you, him and paypal.
-Making conditional threats to obtain a payment constitutes extortion. (Article 321-1 of the penal code)

In view of all these elements, the LR has decided not to participate in the reimbursement of the 2,500 stars, a debt that does not impute to it.
We have sent you privately the procedure we will follow if the sanctions are not waived.

We all love VF, and we hope that you will reconsider your decisions.

The LR.

May I ask if an admin can block the post?
I don't think the purpose of this one is to get various responses from managers.
It's just to send a message to Aymeric, isn't it?

Plarchios: Je me permet, de demander si un admins peut bloquer le poste ?
Je pense que celui ci n’a pas pour but d’avoir des réponses diverses de managers.
Mais seulement de passer un communiqué à Aymeric non ?

Done and done

Reopened at the author's request

For VF's sake, I sincerely hope that discussions can resume in a spirit of calm.
The voice of wisdom is sometimes the one that knows how to step back in order to move forward together.
We salute the LR's historic commitment and hope that this situation will not dampen your passion for the game.
Above all, VF remains a community. Let's continue to look after it...

Hello everyone,

As most of you know I don't hold the RL in my heart and should be happy about this situation.
But I also love this game or I wouldn't have been here for so many years.
For the good of the game aymeric listens to the request of the LR, if we start to hit the agreements at the slightest misstep of their members have no more out.
The agreements remain and will remain the strong point of your game, vf remains your baby I understand it very well, you made of vf a super game but for that it was necessary to be 2 (creator and members).
We thank you so much (especially us old-timers who have been there for years and have grown up with your game) for giving you back the device with our loyalty. It would be nice to give it back to us by listening to us.
If for ONCE you could reply and at least give your opinion and why not discuss and exchange our feelings (let's be crazy).
I hope you'll take into account my message (from one of your oldest members and creator of the best agreement in the game) who is afraid that the game is going in the wrong direction.
Pour les profs de français merci de disposé ça me touche plus 😂

Ps: sans oublier LR tricheur! (Humour au cas où ) le message sanction ma assez dépouillé 😀

minadinho: Bonjours à tous ,

Comme la plupart le savent je porte pas la LR dans mon cœur est devrais me réjouir de cette situation .
Mais j’aime aussi se jeu sinon je serais plus la depuis tant d’année .
Pour le bien du jeu aymeric écoute la requête de la LR , si ont se met à frapper les ententes au moindre faux pas de leur membres ont sans sort plus .
Les ententes reste et resteras le point fort de ton jeu , vf reste ton bébé je le comprend très bien , tu as fait de vf un super jeu mais pour cela il...

Hi there,
Comme tu le stipule le jeu ne repose pas que sur une entente, ce jeu c'est fait avec la participation de tous, des nouveaux membres certain anciens sont partie, et sont revenus, d'autres ont tout abandonner, je ne prend pas partie envers personne que ce soit mais de voir toutes ces post créés pour 1 entente qui fais peut être partie de la création comme la QC a l'epoque dont je fesait partie, les fym, 34 ....et tant d'autres, la décision est prise bref on passe à autre chose, certain stipulait sur d'autre post que la LR va ce recréer et d'ici 3 voir 4 saison seront de retour
So let's stop putting pieces together and telling Aymeric that you need to go back on your decision, he's putting his credibility on the line like a company director when he makes a decision. How can we be credible if, for example, next season another agreement is needed, we'll say that LR got a favour and we didn't, in short!
I'm not taking sides, I'm just putting him in the shoes of a boss who manages a company or a game!

The biggest bosses are not deaf. And only fools don't change their minds. Whatever his choice, nothing will dent A45's credibility. He has created a game that some people have played for 20 years... Respect whatever happens. And strength to the LR too.

Putneg: Les plus grands patrons ne sont pas sourds. Et il n y a que les imbéciles qui ne changent pas d avis. Quelque soit son choix, rien n entamera la crédibilité d A45. Il a créé un jeu auquel certains ont joué prêt de 20ans... Respect quoi qu il arrive. Et force aux LR également.

"The greatest bosses are not deaf" Your message is already laughable 😂.

Jason40: " Les plus grand patrons ne sont pas sourds" Déjà là on peut rire de ton message 😂. Et après on se demande pourquoi on a 40 milliard d'euros de déficit 😂. Gnegneu vos patrons sont là pour vous aidez à avoir de meilleures conditions de travail, ils pensent à vos intérêts avant les leurs 👀

Aymeric pleure quand même pour 400 misérable euros, quand il a une société dont il a des parts qui a levé plusieurs millions d'euros 👀.

Regardez les derniers achats Vstore, je pense qu'il a largement ...

Are you the republic?

Putneg: La république c est toi ?
Lâche ton rsa et bosse sinon, tu sera moins jaloux de la réussite des autres...

We are the Republic 🤓

Basically I agree, but your comments are way off the mark. Then it's easy to open an account to come and lecture anonymously without risking being confronted with your comments.
That's very brave, bravo.

Stop you settling scores, do it in private that's not the point

There are opinions for and against.
Everyone can make up their own mind...
You should wait for Aymeric to speak before you start debating. If he does speak.
Because he's not obliged to respond to this press release. And if he doesn't, his judgement has already been made. The LR knows where it stands if the MDJ remains silent.

Nicularo: Il y a des avis pour et des avis contre.
Chacun se fera son idée…
Vous devriez attendre l’intervention d’Aymeric avant de commencer à débattre. Si intervention il y a.
Parce qu’il n’est pas obligé de répondre à ce communiqué. Et s’il ne le fait pas, son jugement a déjà été rendu. La LR sait à quoi s’en tenir si le MDJ se mure dans le silence.

I'd like to know if this is the case for a competing LR agreement if he would have done the same.

Remember the BEL affair, which was widely under-sanctioned because the evidence was worse than formal and the former AFU paid dearly for less than that.
(It wasn't at the time of this admin team, it was before).

As far as I'm concerned, the LR shouldn't reimburse a star for one person. If someone has to pay, it's the guilty party in question, not the innocent.
Ask people who have never cheated money openly that then the one who cheated it does not ask it is as the author of the topic said I will not quote more.

The only penalties that the LRs would get is either to dissolve the cartel (which I don't find logical), or a fine and a loss of points (which is more logical). But you can't ask €400 from people who have never cheated.

If things happened as described by Estac, I don't quite understand how a refund for a player's purchase from the Vstore which is then fraudulently cancelled by the person who made the purchase would generate a €400 loss.
If the loss is €400, then it must have involved much more than just one player and it must have been a practice repeated over time by Teddy (or other accomplices) and not limited to the purchase of one player.
Otherwise, where does the €400 figure come from?

First of all, I'd like to welcome your decision not to respond individually on the forum. I think this collective approach is more constructive. Isolated reactions could have further complicated the management of the situation for the forum administrators.

I won't take the liberty of passing judgement, as we lack clarity. Aymeric mentions several players, whereas you mention just one. This makes the matter difficult to interpret.

What is certain is that the difference between the theft of a player and a fine of 400 euros seems particularly disproportionate. I sincerely hope that you will be able to find common ground and that the situation will be resolved.

I think the €400 includes paypal claims.

Threatening the mdj with legal action isn't exactly the best strategy...bearing in mind that there are two LR admins...Let's say he capitulates, he'll cut to the quick from the admins' point of view...and nothing will stop him dissolving LR1 in any case and no avovat will be able to do anything about it.
In short, you've all gone mad, but that's nothing new.

You should create a special agreement just for admins, so there's no risk of them taking an interest.