Aymeric,
This message will be the only communiqué from the LR.
We have tried to contact you privately but you refuse to answer our questions.

We'll give you a brief summary of the facts.
Teddy bought a player on the vfstore, which was accessible to everyone, and informed another manager that another player was about to arrive on the store. This second manager bought the youngster without having VIP access (he didn't have access to the agent to search).
These two players were at the regens auction.
You decided to ban Teddy for 2 months and the admins decided to fine Kevin.
Following his ban, Teddy asked Paypal for a refund, which he got. A dispute is currently in progress.
You've decided to recover this money by asking the LR to reimburse him, under penalty of dissolution, and you've added a penalty of minus 30 points to the cartel rankings.

We're only going to talk about the sanctions against the LR. Teddy's are his own.

We'll mention a few important points:
-Vfstore purchases belong to an individual, not to a cartel.
-Purchases made on the Vfstore belong to an individual and not to a cartel.
-The LR is not responsible for Teddy's request for a refund or for the conflict between you, him and paypal.
-Making conditional threats to obtain a payment constitutes extortion. (Article 321-1 of the penal code)

In view of all these elements, the LR has decided not to participate in the reimbursement of the 2,500 stars, a debt that does not impute to it.
We have sent you privately the procedure we will follow if the sanctions are not waived.

We all love VF, and we hope that you will reconsider your decisions.

The LR.

May I ask if an admin can block the post?
I don't think the purpose of this one is to get various responses from managers.
It's just to send a message to Aymeric, isn't it?

Plarchios: Je me permet, de demander si un admins peut bloquer le poste ?
Je pense que celui ci n’a pas pour but d’avoir des réponses diverses de managers.
Mais seulement de passer un communiqué à Aymeric non ?

Done and done

Reopened at the author's request

For VF's sake, I sincerely hope that discussions can resume in a spirit of calm.
The voice of wisdom is sometimes the one that knows how to step back in order to move forward together.
We salute the LR's historic commitment and hope that this situation will not dampen your passion for the game.
Above all, VF remains a community. Let's continue to look after it...

Hello everyone,

As most of you know I don't hold the RL in my heart and should be happy about this situation.
But I also love this game or I wouldn't have been here for so many years.
For the good of the game aymeric listens to the request of the LR, if we start to hit the agreements at the slightest misstep of their members have no more out.
The agreements remain and will remain the strong point of your game, vf remains your baby I understand it very well, you made of vf a super game but for that it was necessary to be 2 (creator and members).
We thank you so much (especially us old-timers who have been there for years and have grown up with your game) for giving you back the device with our loyalty. It would be nice to give it back to us by listening to us.
If for ONCE you could reply and at least give your opinion and why not discuss and exchange our feelings (let's be crazy).
I hope you'll take into account my message (from one of your oldest members and creator of the best agreement in the game) who is afraid that the game is going in the wrong direction.
Pour les profs de français merci de disposé ça me touche plus 😂

Ps: sans oublier LR tricheur! (Humour au cas où ) le message sanction ma assez dépouillé 😀

minadinho: Bonjours à tous ,

Comme la plupart le savent je porte pas la LR dans mon cœur est devrais me réjouir de cette situation .
Mais j’aime aussi se jeu sinon je serais plus la depuis tant d’année .
Pour le bien du jeu aymeric écoute la requête de la LR , si ont se met à frapper les ententes au moindre faux pas de leur membres ont sans sort plus .
Les ententes reste et resteras le point fort de ton jeu , vf reste ton bébé je le comprend très bien , tu as fait de vf un super jeu mais pour cela il...

Hi there,
Comme tu le stipule le jeu ne repose pas que sur une entente, ce jeu c'est fait avec la participation de tous, des nouveaux membres certain anciens sont partie, et sont revenus, d'autres ont tout abandonner, je ne prend pas partie envers personne que ce soit mais de voir toutes ces post créés pour 1 entente qui fais peut être partie de la création comme la QC a l'epoque dont je fesait partie, les fym, 34 ....et tant d'autres, la décision est prise bref on passe à autre chose, certain stipulait sur d'autre post que la LR va ce recréer et d'ici 3 voir 4 saison seront de retour
So let's stop putting pieces together and telling Aymeric that you need to go back on your decision, he's putting his credibility on the line like a company director when he makes a decision. How can we be credible if, for example, next season another agreement is needed, we'll say that LR got a favour and we didn't, in short!
I'm not taking sides, I'm just putting him in the shoes of a boss who manages a company or a game!

The biggest bosses are not deaf. And only fools don't change their minds. Whatever his choice, nothing will dent A45's credibility. He has created a game that some people have played for 20 years... Respect whatever happens. And strength to the LR too.

Putneg: Les plus grands patrons ne sont pas sourds. Et il n y a que les imbéciles qui ne changent pas d avis. Quelque soit son choix, rien n entamera la crédibilité d A45. Il a créé un jeu auquel certains ont joué prêt de 20ans... Respect quoi qu il arrive. Et force aux LR également.

"The greatest bosses are not deaf" Your message is already laughable 😂.

Jason40: " Les plus grand patrons ne sont pas sourds" Déjà là on peut rire de ton message 😂. Et après on se demande pourquoi on a 40 milliard d'euros de déficit 😂. Gnegneu vos patrons sont là pour vous aidez à avoir de meilleures conditions de travail, ils pensent à vos intérêts avant les leurs 👀

Aymeric pleure quand même pour 400 misérable euros, quand il a une société dont il a des parts qui a levé plusieurs millions d'euros 👀.

Regardez les derniers achats Vstore, je pense qu'il a largement ...

Are you the republic?

Putneg: La république c est toi ?
Lâche ton rsa et bosse sinon, tu sera moins jaloux de la réussite des autres...

We are the Republic 🤓

Basically I agree, but your comments are way off the mark. Then it's easy to open an account to come and lecture anonymously without risking being confronted with your comments.
That's very brave, bravo.

Stop you settling scores, do it in private that's not the point

There are opinions for and against.
Everyone can make up their own mind...
You should wait for Aymeric to speak before you start debating. If he does speak.
Because he's not obliged to respond to this press release. And if he doesn't, his judgement has already been made. The LR knows where it stands if the MDJ remains silent.

Nicularo: Il y a des avis pour et des avis contre.
Chacun se fera son idée…
Vous devriez attendre l’intervention d’Aymeric avant de commencer à débattre. Si intervention il y a.
Parce qu’il n’est pas obligé de répondre à ce communiqué. Et s’il ne le fait pas, son jugement a déjà été rendu. La LR sait à quoi s’en tenir si le MDJ se mure dans le silence.

I'd like to know if this is the case for a competing LR agreement if he would have done the same.

Remember the BEL affair, which was widely under-sanctioned because the evidence was worse than formal and the former AFU paid dearly for less than that.
(It wasn't at the time of this admin team, it was before).

As far as I'm concerned, the LR shouldn't reimburse a star for one person. If someone has to pay, it's the guilty party in question, not the innocent.
Ask people who have never cheated money openly that then the one who cheated it does not ask it is as the author of the topic said I will not quote more.

The only penalties that the LRs would get is either to dissolve the cartel (which I don't find logical), or a fine and a loss of points (which is more logical). But you can't ask €400 from people who have never cheated.

If things happened as described by Estac, I don't quite understand how a refund for a player's purchase from the Vstore which is then fraudulently cancelled by the person who made the purchase would generate a €400 loss.
If the loss is €400, then it must have involved much more than just one player and it must have been a practice repeated over time by Teddy (or other accomplices) and not limited to the purchase of one player.
Otherwise, where does the €400 figure come from?

First of all, I'd like to welcome your decision not to respond individually on the forum. I think this collective approach is more constructive. Isolated reactions could have further complicated the management of the situation for the forum administrators.

I won't take the liberty of passing judgement, as we lack clarity. Aymeric mentions several players, whereas you mention just one. This makes the matter difficult to interpret.

What is certain is that the difference between the theft of a player and a fine of 400 euros seems particularly disproportionate. I sincerely hope that you will be able to find common ground and that the situation will be resolved.

I think the €400 includes paypal claims.

Threatening the mdj with legal action isn't exactly the best strategy...bearing in mind that there are two LR admins...Let's say he capitulates, he'll cut to the quick from the admins' point of view...and nothing will stop him dissolving LR1 in any case and no avovat will be able to do anything about it.
In short, you've all gone mad, but that's nothing new.

You should create a special agreement just for admins, so there's no risk of them taking an interest.

Alex-AJA: Faudrait créer une entente spéciale juste pour y mettre les admins, comme ça pas de risque de prises d'intérêts.

I agree with you 1000%,..... even if that's not at all what the initial message was about :) :)

In an ideal world, the game admin(s) would be outsiders.
Due to a lack of resources (no doubt financial), they are recruited from among the players, while continuing to belong to their original cartel.

In saying this, I'm not questioning the integrity of any current admin, quite the contrary, but when you're an admin you have to make decisions that affect the participants and therefore the game... and therefore the cartels, and as most of those affected will always find the measure unfair, too severe, etc... they'll inevitably cry injustice and bias etc....

Agreeing to be an admin is a form of voluntary priesthood and to be able to do it calmly, you have to take a step back from the game: 1) leave your agreement and 2) in a way, take a step back from the game as a player,
Otherwise, even the most honest admin will always be suspected by someone who is directly or indirectly affected by the action taken.
There have been many examples of this in the past, and to ensure that there are no more in the future, admins should be automatically integrated into the Entente St-Maurice: this seems to me to be necessary, if not sufficient, for the good serenity of the game.

Alex-AJA: Faudrait créer une entente spéciale juste pour y mettre les admins, comme ça pas de risque de prises d'intérêts.

Aymeric has an agreement to put them all with him and it's settled. I spoke about it a few days ago.

"You weren't doing 90, you were doing 190!
For those who have seen Taxi, this line gives all the meaning to this story of fraud...
The Mdj has explained its penalty and the reasons for it. The LR, via Estac, explained its version...
And what we can say is that one is announcing crumpled metal and the other a totally exploded car... who's right? Who's wrong?
It doesn't go without saying, in my opinion, which only reflects me, that the LR announced an isolated cheat, a single poor little player, who clearly didn't deserve such a penalty... a small ban of 7 days at the most with a small stroke of the ruler on the fingers. And a mdj announcing a large-scale fraud over a certain period of time that the group that hosted him would also have benefited from (who cares about that at the moment). It's David against Goliath...

I respect all the agreements and particularly LR, because of our shared history in the competition and the mutual respect that embodies us, but I find this 'statement' inconsistent with the facts of the case. But as I said, that's just me. And I can't judge the merits of the story without any proof or evidence.

I'm obviously against dissolution. But I'm not against certain sanctions if Aymeric is right, and I'm not against those same sanctions if the facts fall short of what was announced.

I look forward to hearing the truth from the JAF, and I wish you all a good game.

Hello everyone

The subject is not designed to criticise the LR.

Thank you for respecting the subject and no longer settling scores, for this you have mp or discords.

In fact, there is no feedback on this topic other than from the MDJ. Hence the pertinent request to close this topic.

kiki-sainté: Aymeric a une entente les mettre tous avec lui et c est réglé j en avait parlé il y a quelques jours

I don't agree... The admins are already volunteers, they get nothing in return... On top of that, they should deprive themselves of one of the most fun aspects of the game?

Being in a 4-way agreement with Aymeric would be like playing on your own, no fun at all.

Aguado: Je suis pas d'accord... Les admins sont déjà bénévoles, ils n'ont rien en retour... En plus de cela, ils devraient se priver d'un des aspects les plus fun du jeu?

Etre dans une entente à 4 avec Aymeric, ce serait comme jouer seul de son côté, aucun plaisir.

And, above all, that in NO WAY prevents you from being objective.

C'est des sacrés sommes qu'on parle la, si je dit bien si c'est 400€ qui doit être rembourser ça me ferait pas plaisir en tant que créateur du jeu que je ne les reçois pas. After that everyone pays for their stupidity of these two people or more I'm not too agree.si Aymeric has made this statement it is what does. Mais dès que on parle d'argent réel on passe sur un autre stats de confie. If it had been virtual money you could have dealt with it and done your mea-culpa by saying he cheated I'd ban him and move on to something else but here we're talking about real money with an anarchy and cheating at the end. After all I'm not judging anyone LR is a good agreement actually they made a mistake recruiting these players, it happens now the creator has made choices we must respect them hoping that it does not impact anyone in the game just who made the mistake. Hoping that all this ends quickly for the good of all.
Bon jeu a tous

The question is: what does it mean to dissolve an agreement, given that this is what is weighing on the LR?

Aguado: Je suis pas d'accord... Les admins sont déjà bénévoles, ils n'ont rien en retour... En plus de cela, ils devraient se priver d'un des aspects les plus fun du jeu?

Etre dans une entente à 4 avec Aymeric, ce serait comme jouer seul de son côté, aucun plaisir.

I can imagine a crazy discord!!!🤣

While waiting for the JEX he's strutting around the Maldives with money from the vf store, the bastard
He just sent it to me on snap 🤣🤣

JoKeR: En attendant le JEX il se pavane aux Maldives avec les sous du vf store le salop
Il vient de me l'envoyer sur snap 🤣🤣

I'm not going to continue if I get punished.

P.S I went to the Maldives in January. It takes more than 250 euros 😆 then go to the Maldives in July, not really the right time, I ask to see.

Your member cheated by stealing VF Store players from managers who were legitimately trying to obtain them, thereby giving him an advantage. The admins have discovered that certain special players were recruited very shortly after they had taken out a VIP subscription allowing them to use the advanced player agent to find these players: #vfstore?activity&uid=664190 . This demonstrates the deliberate exploitation of a bug.

As this manager was authorised to play Inter-Entente matches by his president, the cartel is therefore liable, and cheating in Inter-Entente competition systematically leads to the cartel being dissolved.

Secondly, as I told you in a PM, if you feel that your cheating doesn't deserve to be disbanded and that to defend this point of view you wish to lodge a complaint, I have nothing to say about that.

As you so rightly said, it would be a shame for the game to disappear. That's why I'll be doing all I can to defend it, whether it's against cheating or against those who are trying to shut it down.

For the sake of clarity, the "400€" does not only concern the SESKO player of the so-called bug/failure.
But because Jex has cancelled all his PayPal purchases since he created his Teddy account.

So in fact Aymeric is requesting that the LR cartel reimburse all the purchases made by Jex on the store during his AFU - FYM - LR journey, which is what the whole LR cartel is contesting.
Whether these purchases were made in order to obtain players in a totally authorised manner or not (if we rule that the purchase of Sesko was not authorised).

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aymeric45: Votre membre, a triché en volant des joueurs VF Store à des managers légitimes à les obtenir, lui conférant ainsi un avantage. Les admins ont en effet découvert que les recrutements de certains joueurs spéciaux se sont fait très peu de temps après avoir souscrit un abonnement VIP permettant d'utiliser l'agent de joueurs avancé, pour trouver ces joueurs : #vfstore?activity&uid=664190 . Cela démontre une exploitation volontaire d'un bug.

Ce manager étant autorisé à j...

So if you feel that the cartel is responsible and you want to dissolve it, why not (even if you've been less intransigent on other equally serious cheating cases ... But I guess that didn't affect your wallet as much).
But asking the members of the cartel to pay back the money stolen by Jex/Teddy ... Can you explain the message you want to get across? Are you going to ask for a criminal record extract to accept a cartel member?
As I said earlier, what's happening now is simply the consequence of a past lack of strictness. And it's not this kind of action that's going to bring new members back to a game that's already sparsely populated.

The fym has already paid for its market share ^^
Direct deletion, without notice, as well as its billion 😂
Did you want it? You got it 😂 (humour )
Par contre je sais pas tout ( ça doit être l'âge sans doute ) si l'entente et considérais comme responsable c'est suppression immédiat à tes dire .
So the LR are responsible but in case of refund can continue.
So much the better in terms of substance, but it's still contradictory isn't it?

Hello Aymeric,
Thank you for your reply.

You're talking about exploiting a bug by subscribing to VIP.
As we can see, this subscription took place on 12/07, and Teddy hasn't played any inter-entente matches since then.
The LR has therefore not benefited from it.
What's more, the transfer was quickly cancelled.

If the agreement is to be dissolved in the event of cheating in competition, why did you ask us to repay teddy's debt via a kitty?
A debt that has nothing to do with LR1 and even less with LR2, as teddy has never set foot there.
I'm posting the link so that everyone can make up their own minds:
#vfstore?pool

Teddy played exclusively in LR1. I therefore conclude that the sanction of dissolution applies only to LR1.

To sum up, the important thing is not the cheating (if it has been proven) or the fact that the LR has benefited from it (as Estac pointed out, it has been proven that it hasn't).
If you pay 2,500 stars, can you continue to play even though you've cheated? Interesting!

So it's all about the money!

Money that a customer who has been blocked from accessing the services they paid for wants refunded. It's a seller/buyer dispute; a dispute that's easily settled if you have enough evidence to prove that the ban was justified.

Easier than using blackmail and extortion, because if you have to call a spade a spade, that's the method used.

I'm not sure about that.

Socrate: [b]Par un soucis de clarté sur les « 400€ » au vue de l’incompréhension de certains, cela ne concerne pas seulement le joueur SESKO du soit disant bug/faille.
Mais parce que Jex a annulé tous ses achats via PayPal depuis qu’il a créé se compte Teddy.

Donc en faite il est demandé de la part d’Aymeric que l’entente LR rembourse tous les achats du store fait par Jex pendant son parcours IG - AFU - FYM - LR c’est ça qui est contesté par l’ensemble de l’entente LR.
Que c’est achats ai été fait p...

I agree with Socrates
Teddy had already built up his team before arriving at the IR, and the proof is that he went in search of an LDC the following season...

His previous deals have also benefited from illegal players via i-s or match i-e.

I must admit I also find it hard to understand why it should be up to the other members to pay back the money Teddy stole.

If there's anyone who should be sued for anything, it's him, the others haven't asked for anything...

Sun's: Je pense comme Socrate
Teddy avait déjà son équipe construite avant d'arriver à la lr , pour preuve il va chercher une LDC la saison qui suit..

Ses ententes précédentes ont également bénéficier de joueurs illicites via i-s ou match i-e

Great idea! And also all the people who worked with him ^^.
If Aymeric thinks that the fym should also be punished, no worries from my side.
I fully assume and seek not to hide
I'm not the type to go crying in the back ;)
As said above the fym has dejas assumed and taken sanctions without flinching, you want more? No worries it will change little, just a waste of time.
Then frankly suppressed the LR and the fym? Some agreements will have nothing to do with their day 😀

Sun's: Je pense comme Socrate
Teddy avait déjà son équipe construite avant d'arriver à la lr , pour preuve il va chercher une LDC la saison qui suit..

Ses ententes précédentes ont également bénéficier de joueurs illicites via i-s ou match i-e

I hope the LV will not be implicated, as Jex had passed through our agreement under the Mezut account. Jex's submarine account was subsequently discovered.

Hello,
I would like to set out the following facts about the current situation, confining myself exclusively to concrete, verifiable information. This is my right of reply

1. Initial context

• A denunciation was sent by Pieutte, referring to an alleged bug exploitation aimed at obtaining "regens" players via the store.
• This scenario was relayed without any evidence being presented.
• The real point raised by aymeric concerns a suspicion that I was aware of the date and time of the routine that fed the store.

2. My position on the alleged facts

• I declare that I came across this series of players by chance.
• I declare that I am aware of how the blind works, but that I have no knowledge of the precise times or the identities of the players generated.
• I declare that I have voluntarily used the player agent to find out about the players put up for sale by the seller. This is the main purpose of this service as it is offered.
• To date, there is no evidence of deliberate or fraudulent use of a bug or flaw in the system.

3. Lack of evidence

• There is no factual evidence of the exploitation of a technical flaw or anomaly.
• There is no previous history of similar behaviour on my part on the Teddy account.

4. Seller's actions

• Unilateral removal of legally acquired digital goods.
• Suspension of the service without presentation of proof.
• Refusal to respond to disputes opened via PayPal.
• Systematic suppression of all disputes, thus preventing any public response or defence.
• Use of threats against users.
• Implementation of a technical module enabling the automatic recovery of funds in dispute, even though the sums in question are not stolen but blocked as part of the PayPal procedure.

5. About PayPal

• PayPal is a company governed by strict dispute management rules.
• The procedures follow a precise legal framework.
• The seller has a right of reply in these procedures, which it has not used to date.

6. Payments and data protection

• A non-nominative PayPal account was used in order to protect my personal data, which had already been the subject of unauthorised disclosure.
• The seller published all my invoices online, making them publicly accessible.
• For the past two months, all payments have been made via a PayPal account in my name.

7. Measures taken on my part so far

• Voluntary abandonment of the disputes opened via the non-nominative account.
• I have offered to refund the €39.98 received on this account for a dispute that has already arisen.
• A dispute of €49.97 remains outstanding.
• This puts an end to the dispute concerning LR.

8. Continued

• A dispute remains active on my main account.
• As the formal notice has expired, legal action will be taken against the seller from 10pm this evening.

9. Reminder

• There is no factual evidence to suggest that a flaw or bug has been exploited.
• This message is purely factual.

All right, I understand the charges better, thank you for clarifying the situation. In any case, if Aymeric, the game's creator, has decided to make this decision, we have to respect what he says. Whatever happens, he's the only one who can make these choices because we all play his games if you're not happy, as they say, go elsewhere.
I've got a company with several employees and if they're not happy with the decisions I make, even if they're sometimes unnatural or sometimes by mistake, they're not going to tell me it's not logical, etc. I'm the one who pays, so I'm the one who decides for Aymeric, it's the same thing. You play his game so it's him who decides. Then you don't have to pay to get ahead in this game to be the best.

jul068: J’espère que la LV ne sera pas mise en cause, car Jex était passé par notre entente sous le compte Mezut. Compte sous marin de Jex découvert par la suite.

If Aymeric persists in his reasoning, he should delete all the agreements that Jex has gone through in his accounts.

I'm just saying that money disputes can be resolved with good insurance, something this site should certainly have...

Who is Décibel?

I stopped reading after the word denunciation....

steril: C est qui Décibel?

J ai arrêté de lire après le mot dénonciation….

In your opinion xD