Kynlux |
8 month agoI think it would be cool to display the value of players on their profile... A kind of estimate, a bit like the estimate is made for the price of TV Rights (but based on age, potential and NG). I saw a message on the forum from someone who complained about potential fraud on player transfers; having an estimate of the value of players displayed on their profiles will greatly reduce fraud in my humble opinion. It will also prevent new players from getting scammed... I have new players in my agreement and when I look at their transfer log I see aberrations: 34 years old 40 NG at 4 Million (It ruins the experience of the game for new players sometimes honestly) --> then to get revenge they will put 30 years old / 25 NG at more than 1 Million (hoping that someone buys). This is the idea of improvement that I had in mind for a long time and in view of the growing number of fraud and breach of trust, we must act. Thank you for those who will pay attention to this message. Peace ✌️
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kiki-sainté |
8 month agoBack to the past it was like that before and personally I really liked having an idea of price on the sheet
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Rull43 |
8 month agoKynlux: Je pense que se serait cool d'afficher le valeur des joueurs sur leur fiche... Un genre d'estimation, un peu comme l'estimation est faite pour le prix des Droits TV (mais basé sur l'age, le potentiel et la NG).
Je vais vue un message passé sur le forum de quelqu'un qui se plaignait des potentiels fraudes sur les transferts de joueurs; avoir une estimation de la valeur des joueurs affiché sur leurs fiches, cela réduira énormément les fraudes à mon humble avis.
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Opinions will be very divergent on this subject, I am sure. I myself am leaning towards not having this information. It can restrict exchanges, auctions. Long live free enterprise. Buying and selling is an integral part of the game. I am against it. But I can understand your interest. As I said, a subject where you could vote too. But it is clearly a step backwards. Why was it removed?
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Rull43 |
8 month agoIt is the market that defines the price, supply and demand. Putting such information distorts free will, the basics of supply and demand.
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Morten34 |
8 month agoThere are tables in the "rules" section that help determine a player's value: #community?rules
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Mide |
8 month agoThere’s a butto that shows something similar. It shows the previous transfers of the specified player and also recent transfers of similar players. That it what I use to determine the value of a player
Mide |
8 month agoWe don’t have to be spoon fed for everything. Figure some stuff out yourself. I would have loved it if we weren’t regulating values but has a varying economy. Anyways it is what it is. Can’t love the game less like this
aymeric45 |
8 month agoI added a rough estimate made by the game of the player's value, on the page "At the club since...". This is the median value of the table of transfers of similar players displayed on this same page.
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Exoda |
8 month agoThank you very much! We will be able to get an idea of the player's value.
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Morten34 |
8 month agoExoda: Merci beaucoup ! On pourra se donner une idée de la valeur du joueur.
Yes, but be careful, the price tables in the transfer section of the regulations will be valid: #community?rules
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King |
8 month agoExoda: Merci beaucoup ! On pourra se donner une idée de la valeur du joueur.
Yeah, I'm against the idea. From one point of view, the prices are already low, so I can't even imagine the most outlandish transfer proposals to come. At the auction for example, a 23 year old 99NG player is currently at 70M and could go up even more. The player is estimated at... 43M!
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Blagoje Vidinic |
8 month agoThis message has been translated. (FR) Original message
Coach Bobby |
8 month ago>
> (H Saison 2 Épisode 9: Une histoire d'amnésie)
H I loved this series
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King |
8 month agoKing: Mouais, je suis contre l’idée. D’un point de vu, les prix sont déjà bas, alors j’imagine même pas les propositions de transferts les plus farfelues à venir. Au enchère par exemple, un jouer 23 ans 99NG est en ce moment même à 70M et pourrait encore monter. Le joueur est estimé à…. 43M !
Player in question M. Omar Value at 48M and not 43. Which does not change my words.
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Morten34 |
8 month agoMorten34: Oui mais attention, ce sont les tableaux de prix dans la partie transferts du règlement qui feront foi: #community?rules
And I repeat, this does not change the current regulations.
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King |
8 month agoMorten34: Et je répète, ça ne change pas le règlement en vigueur.
Morten, Few people will voluntarily go to the rules each time to check, especially the less experienced, who will give priority to the value indicated on the players ;)
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Exoda |
8 month agoI don't see this new feature as a "threat" to the classification Morten mentioned. Since we can negotiate any transfer up to -50%/+50%, and the player's value is in line with this classification, we can negotiate with the seller within the rules and limit the risk of being too greedy.
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Luango |
8 month agoThanks for the feedback, is it possible to compare players based on position? Seeing a striker compared to a goalkeeper greatly distorts his price
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AmirAll |
8 month agoMorten34: Oui mais attention, ce sont les tableaux de prix dans la partie transferts du règlement qui feront foi: #community?rules
roof already at +310m€
Real time, Neymar 222€
Morten34 |
8 month agoKing: Morten,
Peu de personne iront se rendre volontairement à chaque fois sur le règlement pour vérifier, surtout les moins expérimentés, qui donneront la primeur à la valeur indiquée sur le profil des joueurs ;)
And so now some will hide behind this new indicator to contest the regulation and the cancellation of a transfer. Here is an example: T. Pepito He is NG 99. On the table, his average price is 130 M. He can therefore be sold/bought between 65 M and 260 M. The new reference value indicates for this player: 45 M #transferts?log&jid=539454 or a price below the minimum price authorized by the regulation. What do we do? For sure, there will be a dispute if he is sold for 45 M. In good (bad) faith, the guys will say that they sold/bought at the price of the value given as a reference.
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lens59 |
8 month agoIt should be stated as an estimate and not a value And a range for your players 45/65 minimum. In addition I noticed that the figure decreases from day to day in 2 seasons gift value 😁
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AmirAll |
8 month agoMorten34: Et donc maintenant certains vont se retrancher derrière ce nouvel indicateur pour contester le règlement et l'annulation d'un transfert.
Voici un exemple: T. Pepito
Il est NG 99. Sur le tableau, son prix moyen est de 130 M. Il peut donc être vendu/acheté entre 65 M et 260 M.
La nouvelle valeur de référence indique pour ce joueur: 45 M #transferts?log&jid=539454 soit un prix en dessous du prix minimal autorisé par le règle
I think you dont need to chase players.
Put some formula to transfer limits.
Or gave it with transfer value calculator in the game.
No body wants to zoomxzoom that much...
Lock the limits with calculated values so roof not gonna blow.
And you take more rest 😉 or inspect 🧐 time...
King |
8 month agoMorten34: Et donc maintenant certains vont se retrancher derrière ce nouvel indicateur pour contester le règlement et l'annulation d'un transfert.
Voici un exemple: T. Pepito
Il est NG 99. Sur le tableau, son prix moyen est de 130 M. Il peut donc être vendu/acheté entre 65 M et 260 M.
La nouvelle valeur de référence indique pour ce joueur: 45 M #transferts?log&jid=539454 soit un prix en dessous du prix minimal autorisé par le règle
Yes, that's it Morten! That's what I'm trying to explain, or at least to highlight in order to prevent. Strength to you
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Vrael Zendo |
8 month agoMorten34: Et donc maintenant certains vont se retrancher derrière ce nouvel indicateur pour contester le règlement et l'annulation d'un transfert.
Voici un exemple: T. Pepito
Il est NG 99. Sur le tableau, son prix moyen est de 130 M. Il peut donc être vendu/acheté entre 65 M et 260 M.
La nouvelle valeur de référence indique pour ce joueur: 45 M #transferts?log&jid=539454 soit un prix en dessous du prix minimal autorisé par le règle
The simplest thing would be for Aymeric to implement the tables directly instead of the estimation, that would definitely solve the problem. After that it can quickly become time-consuming for him, but it will surely be the only viable solution in the long term
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S0upe |
8 month agoWouldn't it be possible to code the tables so that the game values correspond to them? I don't know anything about coding, maybe a stupid question on my part
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AmirAll |
8 month agoS0upe: Il ne serait pas possible de coder le tableaux pour que les valeurs du jeu y correspondent ? J'y connais rien en codage vrai question peut être bête de ma part
Coding reach new Era with AI.
So you put the idea and asking to code for you.
Then autocorrections also known by ai.
so yes its possible to make corresponding things with tables.
But devs must be fit them to the game and be sure they are clean.
if
else
lookup
lookdown
respond value
forbidden value
etc
the issue is AI prices and the code language...
yet this one if Aymeric likes can be done by setting limits with codes.
maybe he had rules already hidding somewhere... 😉
Kirikou |
8 month agoI may be wrong based on my opinion but I think that this average value (median in mathematical terms), better reflects the average value of a player compared to the table. Let me explain. Example: I take the player from Morten's example. #transferts?log&jid=539454 Estimate at 54m so minimum 27m and 108m If we look closely there is a player of 201 points recently bought 26.6m, probably at auction and also another 99ng player recently bought at 95m. So we can deduce that for this player, the price range 27m-108m reflects the current state of the market very well. In my opinion, the difference between this new indicator of the average value of a player, and that of the table is that the update is continuous with the new indicator.
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Azby |
8 month agoThe sample is very small, subject to seasonal variations and includes players sold in the context of auctions. While the indicator is useful, it cannot replace the tables, which can be improved, set up in the context of a dispute. What we see coming is as big as a truck.
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Morten34 |
8 month agoAnyway, let's be clear. It is the tables in the regulations that will be authentic, nothing else. This is just an indicative price, that's all.
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