Hello community. As you all know, multiple accounts are a real scourge on VF. At the origin of multiple ways to cheat, these accounts are regularly tracked by some of us for the good of the community. A VPN is a way to hide your IP address when connecting. Why hide this information except to cheat? I would like to know if it was possible to prohibit in one way or another the connection to VF via a VPN? Aymeric, would that be technically and legally applicable? Thank you Julien

jul068: Hello la communauté.

Vous le savez tous, les multi-comptes sont un véritable fléau sur VF. A l’origine de multiples façons de tricher, ces comptes sont régulièrement traqués par certains d’entre nous pour le bien de la communauté.

Un VPN est un moyen de cacher son adresse IP lors de la connexion. Pourquoi cacher cette information à part pour tricher ?

Je voudrais savoir si c’était possible d’interdire d’une façon ou d’une autre la connexion à VF via un VPN?

Aymeric,

As for the technical and legal part, in theory it is possible, but in practice, it is not certain that it is realistic. Today, more and more people are using VPN (and this without necessarily wanting to cheat). There is a risk of penalizing these players. Afterwards, if multi-accounting explodes, we would have to see if the number of impacted players is low or not...

The answer is no, it is not possible.

From people who have an iptv to hide 😂

Vrael Zendo: Pour ce qui est de la partie technique et juridique, dans la théorie c'est possible, après dans les faits, pas sur que ça soit réaliste.
Aujourd'hui de plus en plus de personnes passent par vpn (et ce sans nécessairement l'envie de tricher). Il y a risque de pénaliser ces joueurs là. Après si le multi compte explose, il faudrait voir si le nombre de joueurs impactés est faible ou non...

Technically it is impossible. How do you permanently prohibit a person from accessing the site via a VPN. Legally, Aymeric would have to enter into contracts with the VPNs to know the IPs attached to the VPN for compelling reasons; which is impossible. Only the police and the intelligence services are competent or a decision by a judge to do this kind of thing.

Or just put a line in the script to disallow connections via vpn....

And we will find that we have half of active members who physically exist. 🤣

Jeffus tuchuss: Ou juste mettre une ligne dans le script pour interdire les connexions via vpn ….

Ah yes, I see what you mean ;) Many managers often use vpn for good reasons, depending on where they are (improving the network...) without cheating.

Admin tools are already able to determine if a manager is using a VPN, but this fact alone is not enough to constitute an infraction. This information is used when it is combined with other suspicious behaviors, which involve using a VPN to try to "fly under the radar".

Is it an offence to have multiple accounts using a VPN?

Jeffus tuchuss: Avoir des multi comptes grâce a un vpn , est-ce une infraction ?

He just answered you No, as long as there is no suspicion...

Drezzo35: Il vient de te répondre
Nan tant qu'il n' y pas de suspicion...

But this Jeff doesn't listen to anything, nothing... tssss

Yes it is an offense but difficult to trace. If there are strong suspicions about shady and repetitive transfers, if both accounts connect via a VPN to hide their IP, it can validate the suspicion of cheating.

I'm here to bring my little pebble. To make it short: GDPR. Any data collection must be justified, proportionate and transparent. This does not only concern digital environments. Writing down on a sheet of paper the first and last names of employees who pay attention to labor law in your company can quickly constitute a violation of the GDPR. *** To make it shorter: If you implement technical measures on a web server - and there are some, despite those who claim otherwise - you have an interest in having solid arguments to justify their compliance with the GDPR to the CNIL, especially in the absence of an impact analysis relating to data protection. The risk of multiple accounts on a browser game is probably not one of the valid arguments to oppose to the CNIL, but I'm getting ahead of myself. ^^ If you ever couple these measures with the implementation of a browser fingerprint (which, for example, allows you to certify 99% that it is you who is visiting the dirty site, despite your VPN "protection"), it will be enough to rely on the GDPR during a complaint to the CNIL to demolish you, because you are building a file from personal data. Without respecting the principles of proportionality or transparency, since you are collecting more data than necessary without informing the user. You could set up a data processing project compliant with the GDPR, but it is a colossal task. And even then, you will have holes in the racket, for multiple reasons. And I will not mention the implementation and operating costs. The solution is elsewhere (I do not have it). PS: I am not well-versed enough on the data protection part, if a DPO passes by here, do not hesitate to yell and then correct me. :p

It would be interesting to do the test over a week... a French version without a VPN... strangely the game's attendance would be lower I think...

aymeric45: Les outils d'admin sont déjà en mesure de déterminer si un manager utilise un VPN, mais ce simple fait ne suffit pas à constituer une infraction. On utilise cette information quand elle est associée à d'autres comportements suspects, qui supposent justement d'utiliser un VPN pour essayer de "passer sous les radars".

However, this can be managed, for that instead of operating with a minimum of admins who struggle to process everything, it would be enough to redo teams like before 2-4 admins for bugs which would relieve michbou 2-4 admins for transfers 2-4 admins for multis 2-3 admins for the rules and mini chat 2-4 admins for conflicts on the vfo etc… These teams could do a lot more work and be supervised by morten who would also relieve By having reduced the number of admins, many have taken advantage of it to use the game's flaws with multis which even if many were deleted allows them to come back later and start again Afterwards, of course it's your game and you do what you do with it as you see fit with it, but restricting your team to manage everything was not the best thing, because if you look closely (and even if there were disagreements) the game had fewer worries and complaints than it does now, moreover with a team that would allow you to develop it further without there being any problems following the change that you decide and what I am telling you is nothing other than my humble opinion since the 17 years that I have been on it and having been part of your old teams

For me, it's a no! Corporate VPNs are not deactivatable and I would like to be able to continue going to the office to pretend to work while I manage my matches on VF! :D

Misha: Pour moi, c'est non! Les VPN d'entreprise ne sont pas désactivables et je voudrais pouvoir continuer à aller au bureau pour faire semblant de travailler pendant que je gère mes matchs sur VF! :D

🤣🤣🤣

Yes, we do not rule out banning VPNs if we notice too many multis, but we are clearly not there yet. And indeed, we will recruit admins, if after consultation with the team we consider that the workforce will no longer allow us to optimally manage the workload, following Demi's departure.

Just look here to realize that there is a big problem. #search?club=1&login=&nom=&nation=&niveau=&niveau_sup=1&new=1 The number of foreign clubs created compared to French clubs.. And especially waves of 2/3 clubs per country then hop another country. Knowing that 3/4 of the clubs created only connect once. After that it is perhaps clubs created directly by the game, to feed this new arrival of cheated players with 50 potential

Jason40: Suffit de regarder ici pour se rendre compte que ya un gros problème.

#search?club=1&login=&nom=&nation=&niveau=&niveau_sup=1&new=1

Le nombre de club étrangers créé par rapport aux clubs français.. Et surtout des vagues de 2/3 club par pays puis après hop un autre pays. En sachant que 3/4 des clubs créé ne se connecte qu'une fois.

Après c'est peut-être des clubs créé directement par le jeu, pour alimenter cette nouvelle arrivée de joueur cheaté à 5

The Recruitment Cell is not accessible to clubs that only log in once. Be careful not to accuse cheating unfairly and without proof, this is prohibited and punishable.

bluethunders26: Pourtant cela peut être gérer , pour ça au lieu de fonctionner avec un minimum d admin qui galère à tout traiter il suffirais de refaire des équipes comme avant
2-4 admin pour les bug ce qui soulagerais michbou
2-4 admins pour les transferts
2-4 admins pour les multis
2-3 admins pour le règlement et mini chat
2-4 admins pour les conflits sur le vfo etc…
Ces équipes pourraient faire beaucoup de plus de travail et être encadré par morten qui serait soulager aussi

En ayant rédui

So there's nothing to say, that's exactly what I really think and I couldn't have said it better :)