Hello.

During yesterday's audio session with Aymeric, he announced a number of surprising things.
One of them is to remove all price regulation barriers. Totally free prices.
So we'll be able to sell NG99s at 100k for friends, or NG10s at 300M if I've understood correctly.
So it's the legalisation of giving money away.

The idea is interesting, and has its arguments, but it raises a number of issues that need to be studied, particularly from the point of view of anti-cheating.
Aymeric seems to be calm on this point. There are, however, a number of questions (e.g. linked (authorised) accounts).

In short, it might be interesting for us to provide some food for thought?
Your comments? (Constructive, please 🙏)

hi
there's nothing to disagree with here, what he said is very clear and, above all, it's been called for a long time.
no more TA assessments
no more restrictive tables
he has opened the floodgates and that's 1 very good thing at last
PK wants to try again and again to find 1means of circumventing via 1 regulation what he is going to put in place, his goal is precisely that there are no more regulations on this subject.
As he said so well, the cheating is there anyway via the agreements so that everyone benefits and this cheating will no longer serve any purpose.

As I pointed out on the live chat yesterday, I find it illogical that donations to the cartel are limited, but that through this future change to transfers we'll be able to give all our money to cartel members via high player transfers at low NG.

I don't really see the positives in this announcement...
It's only going to widen the gap between the big deals and the small/medium ones.
The members of the big agreements will sell themselves huge players at a reduced price or even for free to strengthen their memberships and will sell at a completely exaggerated price to members outside their agreements.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but at first sight this decision seems to me to be one of the worst in recent months.
And I'm not criticising for free... in fact I hardly ever post on VF.

There are indeed things to iron out.

For my part, my fear lies in linked accounts.
I declare that my wife or my cat wants to play. I create a completely legal, declared account, as is done today.
So I've got a 'mule' account that's going to make me a lot of money, train me players, and so on.
A totally legal double account because you can't check who's running it.
This aspect bothers me.

But the total liberalisation of the market doesn't shock me at the moment, and I'm happy to wait for the arguments to make up my mind.

Magpie: Il y'a effectivement des choses à aplanir.

Pour ma part, ma crainte reside dans les comptes liés.
Je déclare que ma femme ou mon chat désire jouer. Je crée un compte tout a fait légalement, declaré, comme ça se fait aujourd'hui.
Et donc j'ai là un compte "mule" qui va bien m'engraisser, me former des joueurs, etc.
Un double compte totalement legal car on ne peut pas verifier qui le pilote.
Cet aspect me gêne.

Mais la libéralisation totale du marché, pour le moment, cela ne me choque pas,...

The thing with the wife is already taken, but for your cat you can.

I'm thinking of opening an account for my dog.

So we're going backwards?
Is it effective immediately?

You'll be using intra-ip whether you're lending it or buying it, so on this point, it won't change.
intra ip will still be prohibited by the game even if you declare it.
Take the case of transfers on the vfo
20% less FOR CPs If you sell yourself compared to me, that was the injustice.
Internal transfers in agreements, without an agreement, that was the injustice.
Now, yes, prices are going to fall on transfers, but prices are already dead, so it can't get any worse, and that too, I'm going to say, is a good thing, because you get less for the infrastructure, even the mdj has lowered its stadium to 56k.
bcp de septiques ou tout ceux qui s'amusaient a signale avec le pt bouton ferront la tete car maintenant ce pt bouton ne sert plus à rien, mais jusqu'à et encore cette saison c'était deja 1abberation pour les autres membres ce qu'il se passeait.
We're all on an equal footing here, which will give the AT time to concentrate on the bug part, which is precisely the most important.

In that case, why not allow managers to buy money from the VF Store in the same way that level 1s can, with constraints of course? It would have been more logical to do that ...

iMcCarthy77: Pourquoi ne pas dans ce cas permettre aux managers d’acheter de l’argent sur le VF Store comme peuvent le faire les niveaux 1 avec des contraintes bien sûr .. Ça aurait été plus logique de faire ça …

Pay to win; genius.

Then the game will become a Pay to win...

The end of price regulation does not mean that intra-IP transfers will be authorised.

Handling errors (sale on a purchase list instead of a loan, acceptance of a low-price offer, etc. ) can no longer be reversed.

Zenze10: Après le jeu deviendrai un Pay to win..

Indirectly, if I've understood correctly, this will be the case: a manager who stops playing can fatten up his cartel buddies and sell at preferential prices, which is the same thing.

minadinho: Donc ont retourne en arrière ?
C’est effectif de suite ?

No, we have to wait for the official announcement, and the update of the Regulations.
Bluethunder mentioned this yesterday.

iMcCarthy77: Indirectement ça va être le cas si j’ai bien compris un manager qui arrête de jouer peut engraisser ses copains d’ententes et vendre à prix préférentiels c’est la même chose

It's different from emptying your Livret A passbook to test the height of the vf bank ceiling.

iMcCarthy77: Pourquoi ne pas dans ce cas permettre aux managers d’acheter de l’argent sur le VF Store comme peuvent le faire les niveaux 1 avec des contraintes bien sûr .. Ça aurait été plus logique de faire ça …

The booster aids at level 1 are there to help them get hooked on the game and stay with it, but as soon as they reach level 2 they no longer have these aids.

Marcus Aurelius: Le truc avec la femme c’est déjà pris, mais pour ton chat tu peux.

Je réfléchis à ouvrir un compte pour mon chien.

Marcus The Dog

estac: La fin de la régulation des prix ne veut pas dire que les transferts intra ip seront autorisés.

Les erreurs de manip (mis en vente sur liste d'achat au lieu de prêt, acceptation d'offre à bas prix... ) ne pourront plus être annulées.

A very good idea indeed.
But unfortunately it's easy to get round.
Laundering the player's bank account (how cool is that?) with a move to a third-party club, and reselling to the master account afterwards, or even after a few days.

Basically, what used to be cheating is now allowed.....
Congratulations, real progress!

minadinho: Donc ont retourne en arrière ?
C’est effectif de suite ?

This will be effective on the 1st day of the new season (so that we can make the necessary corrections to the rules).

MAGPIE
to change your mind in your reflexion
niv1 vient de se creer 1compte , il va recevoir x aide de vf et ou du store , les prix resteront attractifs pour lui mais bcp d'anciens ralaient justement car apre passe niv2 c'était devenu injoueable pour lui et souvent soit il recommencerait en niv soit il quittait vf .
The money on vf had become 1fleau on vf because to have 1 big player it was you were in 1grosse agreement with many members to be able to hope to have 1 complete team at discounted prices, or you were obliged to cheat.
Tomorrow you'll see players at very low prices, but having 10 accounts will no longer be of any use as prices will be very low for everyone, so yes, you won't feel the pain immediately as some will try to impose high prices, but in the medium or long term this will become a norm and everything will be accessible.

Magpie: Tres bonne piste, en effet.
Mais ça se contourne facilement malheureusement.
Blanchiment de joueur (mdr le concept) avec un passage dans un club tierce, et revente au compte maître derrière, voir après quelques jours.

Even if the taxes change as he said, there will still be the big taxes if sold less than 56 days after purchase (although for the big clubs this will not be a problem).

minadinho: Donc ont retourne en arrière ?
C’est effectif de suite ?

There will be a few changes to transfer restrictions next season. Low inter-agreement transfer tax too

Great for the tax reduction, we're back on the road to much more mutual aid.

What I remember is that there will be various challenges.
Probably refreshment stands and chips stands 🍟 🍟 🍟

arle2464: Je ne vois pas trop le positifs dans cette annonce...
Ça ne va que renforcer l'écart entre les grosses ententes et les petites/moyennes.
Les membres de grosses ententes se vendront à prix réduit voir gratuitement d'énormes joueurs pour renforcer leurs membres et vendront à prix complètement exagéré aux membres hors de leurs ententes.
J'espère sincèrement me tromper mais cette décision à première vue me semble être une des pires de ces derniers mois.
Et je ne critique pas du tout gratuitement....

I completely agree with Arle. The powerhouse agreements in this game have greater access (through structure, financial resources, etc.) to the big players: logic would dictate that they would inevitably prefer to keep them within the group by passing them on to their 'small' teams. That seems to me to be totally in keeping with the very essence and spirit of an agreement, but in a way it will create more disparities from a macro point of view of the game... Conversely, advocating an intra-agreement price framework would seem to me to be just as iniquitous if the absence of global price regulation were to apply.

The possibility of getting a club up and running quickly may bring more people back to VF, but it's not certain that it will help to make the overall level of the game more heterogeneous. The base of small/medium clubs that operate quite well will inevitably increase, but for those clubs, the step up to the next level will be even greater if they can't have a strong agreement behind them. It's not at all certain that this will help the overall competitiveness of the game, and such a reform project needs to be carefully thought through before it is implemented.

redbull77: MAGPIE
pour te faire changer d avis dans ta reflexion
niv1 vient de se cree 1compte , il va recevoir x aide de vf et ou du store , les prix resteront attractifs pour lui mais bcp d anciens ralaient justement car ap etre passe niv2 c etait devenu injoueable pour lui et souvent soit il recommencait en niv soit il quittait vf .
L argent sur vf etait devenu 1fleau sur vf car pour avoir 1 gros joueurs c etait tu etais dans 1grosse entente avec bcp de membres pour pouvoir esperer avoir 1 equipe co...

We're happy to change our minds, but how many accounts are you actually going to play with?

minadinho: Super pour la taxe en baisse , ont repart sur bien plus d entraide .

Basically I think it's to help new or small clubs in agreements.
I try to help as much as possible in mine BUT
Example I have players that I would have liked to sell at a low price in my agreement to help them something not possible so I make a paying loan then sells to the player of the agreement in question.
If I could sometimes sell 1 player for a token 1M it would help my colleagues a lot.
Outside the agreement I often ask an administrator what minimum price I can sell a cdf player for (if it's a nice manager) 😁
If he doesn't sell the player straight away to turn it upside down and make a profit I don't see the problem.
But sometimes managers make a squad of a whole nation and if we can help 😉

Clearly I'm all for helping each other, I've never understood so many barriers.

we'll have to put up some barriers, otherwise there'll be anarchy :)

redbull77: MAGPIE
pour te faire changer d avis dans ta reflexion
niv1 vient de se cree 1compte , il va recevoir x aide de vf et ou du store , les prix resteront attractifs pour lui mais bcp d anciens ralaient justement car ap etre passe niv2 c etait devenu injoueable pour lui et souvent soit il recommencait en niv soit il quittait vf .
L argent sur vf etait devenu 1fleau sur vf car pour avoir 1 gros joueurs c etait tu etais dans 1grosse entente avec bcp de membres pour pouvoir esperer avoir 1 equipe co...

Ah but there's no opinion to change lol, I'm just building it, I don't have one at the moment, personally x)

Really, I listen religiously to everyone's opinions and projections. There are some really good elements, on both sides. And that's what really worries me. I sincerely hope all this has been carefully thought through 😅

As for the rest, my big black spot, as I've already mentioned, is the fight against cheating in this area. I really hope Aymeric isn't opening Pandora's Box.

Demi-cerveau: On veut bien changer d'avis dans notre réflexion, mais toi du coup, tu vas jouer avec combien de comptes concrètement ?

my dear half
A 400.500eur le compte que je crée a chaque fois sans être en multi j'ai le cul bien propre
d'ailleurs lomax67 revient la saison pro , je t'enverrais 1 pt mp a ce moment la
bisous passe 1 bonne journéenee , c'est mercredi jour de fête chez les enfants

junior: En gros se qui était de la triche avant,, aujourd'hui c'est autorisé.....
Mouais félicitations un vrai Progrès

Backtracking, or going back to basics as publishers sometimes say to sell their latest game, is unfortunately often more proof of a lack of innovation and ideas than the result of real reflection.

It's change for change's sake. That's what it looks like.
There are good things, as I know from having benefited from them when I first got into the game, and there are not-so-good things; the absence of regulation does not mean the absence of abuse.

Anyway, I can't wait for the new season so that instead of auctioning off my players to comply with the rules, I can finally donate them to whoever I want :)
If that's not beautiful

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"My arms are falling off! "

On a more serious note, I completely agree with ARL and BVL's posts... And I'm not sure that this outrageous liberalisation of prices improves the mix of player values in the game. Quite the opposite, in fact. It's a safe bet that the Ententes will develop an "entre soi" approach to transfers, since these will involve exchanges of capital between the richest clubs and the others. This will enable the best-established Ententes to allow their members to reach the top more quickly, whereas independent clubs and those with small structures will continue to struggle and will be even more tempted to join the most powerful Ententes.

The only way to ensure that free-price transfers are not legalized money-giving would be for there to be an algorithm that sets a minimum price (this already exists for evaluating VFstore players). All that would need to be done is to transpose it to transfers by setting, for example, a minimum threshold of 60 or 70% of the price resulting from the algorithm.
But then, of course, grumpy people will say that in that case it's no longer free prices :) :) : )

Otherwise, if I can buy the best player in the game for a symbolic € on the pretext that he belongs to a friend who is stopping the game or, to take the example above, to an account managed by my cat, it's THE END OF THE GAME in the fairly near future.

Furthermore, what's the point of limiting support to level 1: my grandmother creates a level 1 account and with her support buys a pearl and sells it to me for €1. I'd like someone to explain to me how this differs from the fact that I would have benefited directly from support as a level 10 player.
If someone can explain it to me, OK, I'll say it's (maybe) a good reform, but as long as I don't have that explanation, I can only consider it to be a seriously bad reform.

myforsans: La seule solution pour que les transferts à prix libres ne soient pas de la légalisation du don d'argent serait qu'il y ait un algorithme qui fixe un prix plancher (ca existe pour évaluer les joueurs du VFstore), il suffirait de le transposer en cas de mise en vente aux transferts en paramétrage par exemple à un seuil minimum de 60 ou 70 % du prix résultant de l'algorithme.
Mais alors bien sur les grincheux diront que dans ce cas là ce n'est plus des prix libres :) :) : )

Sinon si je peux ac...

my dear myrfosans
quand il y a 2.3 ans tu achtais des jeunes sur vf a des tres bas prix pour avoir des jeunes du store de 17ans avec des potentiels de fou , il a fallu changer le reglement suite aux plaintes pourtant tu avais raison de le faire et tu n'était pas le seul a le faire , puis le reglement a changé et cela a donné encore plus de contraintes aux membres et encore desparts de cette communautee silencieurse , la c'est simple il y a plus de regles sur les transferts et chaque membre peut jouer comme bon il semble et c'est 1jeux a la base ou tu es la pour amuser .
A45 is well aware of the departures and the number of members on vf for various reasons, but all these crazy rules have contributed to a lot of people leaving.
Everyone is in the same boat here and no longer 1minority on vfo.
this is by far the best reform in a long time
bon journee le vicking

Aymeric said yesterday that he would like to see an increase in the number of agreements on VF.
Complete price liberalisation goes exactly against this plan.
The big cartels (and I'm one of them) will be heavily favoured. For a VF manager, being part of one of the top 5 cartels will be crucial to his or her development. At LV, for example, we already have a large number of levers available for mutual assistance. But here there's no limit and the power of a large community will be phenomenal compared to a smaller agreement.
I remain very sceptical.

my dear myrfosans
when 2.3 years ago you were buying youngsters on vf at very low prices to get youngsters from the 17 year old blind with crazy potential,

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Who's "you" me? Or is it a "you" replacing "we" to say (everyone)?

because if it's me, give me an example! Not two or three, one will do :) :) :)

Don't start to go off in a huff, we'll discuss and give our opinion on the battle, the fight in mp thanks

Concernant les amicaux c'est basé sur votre niveau donc facile moyen dure réellement plus actualité
On the other hand for the small level there will be small adversaries

myforsans: mon cher myrfosans
quand il y a 2.3ans tu achetais des jeunes sur vf a des tres bas prix pour avoir des jeunes du store de 17ans avec des potentiels de fou ,

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"tu", c'est qui moi ? ou c'est un "tu" se substituant à "on" pour dire (tout le monde)

car si c'est moi, donne moi un exemple ! Pas deux ou trois, un seul suffira :) :) :)

I've explained it to you, I can't tell you more about the vicking, but behind it all the rules have changed and have given us even more constraints.
Personally, it's not a reproach because you or yourselves have adapted to the moment, but as there have been complaints, the rules have changed as a result.
At least now it's clear and precise and there's no need for any more regulations as there will be more concerning transfers and above all everyone will be able to benefit from them and not just a minority.
the pit has been created by all these crazy rules, now everyone will be on an equal footing and the fairness of the game will be fully respected.
1 more recent aberration that I'm showing you as an example
tomorrow you are going to sell 1 player on the transfer part of the vfo saying that the lv is 20or30% OFF
(the others are idiots, in a manner of speaking)
tomorrow you are going to sell 1 player to 1 member of your agreement but he doesn't have the funds to buy him from you and you have this horrible table with the prices, the player is worth 20m, hop you pay him 20m from the till and he makes you the offer (it's 1don disguised) but the guy who doesn't have an agreement has him deep in the hole to have the same profile of the player and who doesn't have the funds.
A45 has simply made the game fair for all.
( ps don't take it as 1 attack what I've told you, I've simply shown you 1 example concerning you and I repeat you were right to do it just like the others ) It's all these bogus rules that are to blame, not the members who tried to get around the rules.

jul068: Aymeric disait hier qu’il voudrait bien voir augmenter le nombre d’entente sur VF.
La libération complète des prix va exactement à l’encontre de ce projet.
Les grandes ententes ( et j’en fais parti) seront très largement favorisées. Pour un manager de VF, faire parti d’une des entente du top 5 sera primordiale pour son développement. A la LV par exemple nous avons déjà en place un grand nombre de levier disponible pour l’entraide. Mais là ça sera sans limite et la force de frappe d’une gr...

I couldn't agree more... And this will widen the gap even further for the D1 cartel competition.

You'll have the top 5... And the rest (which is already half the case)

Not necessarily, the so-called medium-sized cartels will have their say too.
Because in the end the big agreements have already their 100 ie given with that big stable.
A lot of the medium-sized teams have the finances but not the teams, so now they could easily have the 10 loyal, well-equipped clubs.
That can relaunch I say.

minadinho: Pas forcément , les dite moyenne ententes aurons du coup leur mot à dire aussi .
Car au finale les grosse ententes ont dejas leur 100 ie donné avec que des grosse écurie .
Beaucoup de moyenne entente ont les finances mais pas les équipes , maintenant il pourrons facilement avoir les 10 clubs fidèles bien équipé .
Ca peut relancer je dit .

Exactly.
Off topic, but A45 has announced that it's considering the maximum number of IEs per manager.
Well, that was in response to an isolated comment from a manager, so it's not certain that it's the majority opinion, but the discussion is underway.

Indeed if you restrict the ie, it would be more complicated.
For the big agreements it will change nothing, they have easy the 15/25 clubs to make them.

Magpie: Justement.
Hors sujet mais A45 a annoncé un réflexion sur le nombre maximal d'IE par manager.
Bon, c'était suite à une remarque isolée d'un manager, pas certain que ce soit un avis majoritaire, mais la reflexion est lancée

It will soon announce no limit for the i-e lesgo 50i-e seasons

Sort

Yeah, but I've had 1 or 2 helpings to set up refreshment stands and chip stalls.

There will also be a massive influx of multi-accounts.
If there is no longer a price table to respect, then it will be easy to sell players with one, two, three ... multi that you create by charging a player 60M when he is worth 10.

How are multis spotted these days? Often through transfers. How will we be able to report dubious transfers if there are more rules on prices?

jul068: Ça va également être une arrivée massive de multi compte.
Si plus de tableau de prix à respecter, alors facile de vendre des joueurs à un, deux, trois ... multi que tu crée en facturant un joueur 60M alors qu’il en vaut 10.

Comment sont repérés les multis actuellement? Souvent par les transferts. Comment on pourra signaler les transferts douteux si plus règlement sur les prix.

A45 replied that multi-accounts were now much easier to detect than before. And that they would be dealt with very quickly.
Well, we'll think what we like, I don't want to pass judgement on that.
But it would be interesting to hear what the admins have to say about it.

A thought for our anti-cheating admins. All that work put through the mill in one evening.
I'd love to have their opinion on this reform.
As far as I'm concerned, there's no point in having anti-cheating admins now that it's going to be legalised.
I've got the impression that Aymeric is the UCI and that he's just authorised EPO.