​The rich are getting even richer...
Unfortunately, once again, we are witnessing an unfair decision that only serves to widen the huge gap between the D1 teams and the rest of the divisions.
Rewarding the league champion is a great idea, but why isn’t this extended to D2 and D3?

So I propose a better solution: implementing a sliding-scale system:
​Division 1 champion: Receives 100% of the prize money.
​Division 2 champion: Receives 50% or 60% of the prize money.
​Division 3 champion: Receives 25% or 30% of the prize money.
​This solution makes it possible to:
​Support clubs in the lower divisions to help them progress.
​Maintain a reasonable financial gap in favour of Division 1, without unfairly widening the divide.

Interesting

Interesting

Socrate: Intéressant

Thank you – I think it’s unfair on us, the Division 3 teams

Ali_Cool: Merci je trouve cela injuste pour nous, les ententes de division 3

And I think it’s unfair that a bloke who’s only been learning French for a few months wants to learn as much – or even more – than those who’ve been learning for 20 years....
Just a bit of advice: be patient – that’s the best way to make progress.

In my opinion, he’s been on VF for over six months...

What he’s saying makes sense... he’s hit the nail on the head... he’s no six-week-old novice!

Anyway... I quite like him ^^

I was expecting this topic and I knew it would come from you; you’re complaining about the economic gap with D1, yet you’ve got a team with a 90 NG rating after just six months of play, and your club is already in D3 after only a few months in existence, I don’t think you’re in a position to complain about an economic gap when compared to alliances that have been around for several years.

Actually, I think what he’s proposing is quite reasonable.

It’s a bit like saying that, in a league, the winners of the second and third tiers don’t receive any prize money, when in reality they do.

He’s also proposing a system with rewards that decrease depending on the division the club plays in, which strikes me as consistent and balanced.

Uzzego27: J’attendais ce sujet et je savais que ça allait venir de toi, tu te plains du fossé économique avec la D1 mais tu as une équipe à 90 de NG au bout de 6 mois de jeu, ton entente est déjà en D3 après seulement quelques mois d’existence, je pense que t’es pas celui qui doit se plaindre d’un fossé économique face à des ententes ayant plusieurs années d’existence

​Does it bother you if other groups benefit from the rewards?
Why stray from the real issue instead of being constructive?

Ali_Cool: ​Ça vous pose un problème si les autres ententes d2 d3 profitent de cette récompenses ?
Pourquoi s'éloigner du vrai sujet au lieu d'être constructifs

No, what bothers me is the way the issue is being raised. I’ve no problem with there being bonuses in the other divisions, but instead of just making a normal proposal, you’d rather use this as an opportunity to bash the ‘bad’ Premier League clubs who are too strong and too rich, even though in six months’ time you’ll have the squad to compete in that division.

hazard14: Et moi je trouve injuste qu'un mec qui a quelque mois de vf veulent autant voir plus que ceux qui ont 20ans ....
Juste un conseil soit patient c'est la meilleur solution pour progresser .

I’ve built up my team and it’s taken me a long time; apart from the brilliant people who helped me when I was starting out, I don’t know why the standard of my team keeps coming up in every discussion.
I just want the rewards to be distributed fairly.

Ali_Cool: J'ai développe mon équipe et cela m'a pris beaucoup de temps, en plus des personnes formidables qui m'ont aidé à mes débuts je ne sais pas pourquoi le niveau de mon équipe est immiscé dans chaque discussion
Je veux juste qu'il y ait de la justice dans la répartition des récompenses

You keep going on about six months. Is that a long time?
Some blokes must take ten years to get what you’ve got without a blind or anything, and you’re complaining that it took you a while?
I’m done with your topics now – this is ridiculous...

Ladies,
Young ladies.
Gentlemen,

Please set aside any grievances you may have against Ali_Cool and do not derail the original thread.
Furthermore, focusing your replies on the author’s personality or approach adds nothing to the debate; you are welcome to use private messages to put forward your views.

You are entitled to dislike his numerous posts, the way he has put his team together and the improvement projects he is pursuing, but this must not turn into a witch-hunt every time his username appears anywhere.

This is a one-off and final warning.

I thought this applied to the lower divisions as well. It stands to reason… that he shouldn’t receive a similar reward makes sense, but that he gets nothing at all doesn’t. Just like the title in the honours list for Divisions 2 to 5… it costs nothing to add it. It recognises a collective achievement that deserves a place in the honours list; depending on the division, it may be less prestigious. But it’s still a title…

I’ve just found out that the teams get bonuses 😅

It’s not the teams, but rather one player per team.
Strange for a team competition, but oh well…
But yes, I don’t see why that would only apply to Division 1

Do whatever you like 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Anyway, VF’s money doesn’t belong to anyone 😂😂😂😂
As for me, I’m just happy to play, that’s all 🚶🏽‍♂️🚶🏽‍♂️🚶🏽‍♂️

Ali_Cool: J'ai développe mon équipe et cela m'a pris beaucoup de temps, en plus des personnes formidables qui m'ont aidé à mes débuts je ne sais pas pourquoi le niveau de mon équipe est immiscé dans chaque discussion
Je veux juste qu'il y ait de la justice dans la répartition des récompenses

Oh, you’ll get used to it 😂😂😂

Socrate: Pour le coup, je trouve que ce qu’il propose est plutôt légitime.

C’est un peu comme si, dans un championnat, les vainqueurs de D2 et D3 ne percevaient aucune prime, alors qu’en réalité ils en reçoivent une.

Il propose également un système avec des récompenses dégressives selon la division dans laquelle évolue le club, ce qui me paraît cohérent et équilibré.

PS: J’aurais juste changer le titre qui fait trop racoleur pour pas dire l’expression plus vulgaire.
Car le top 3 des clubs les plus ...

We want names B)

Interesting idea!! And certainly something A45 could implement.

That’s constructive compared to the dozens of threads where people compare VF to FIFA, where you can start the game with Barça. Although VF is getting closer to that...

Another idea: that the admins could close non-constructive threads straight away… that would make room for the relevant threads that get lost amongst the rest…

This bonus is a bad idea. So we might as well let everyone benefit from it. 😅

I can’t find the bonus I need. But yes, in that case, we might as well redistribute it with the d2s and d3s.

This prize will increase competition amongst all clubs in the Entente 123, rather than limiting it to the top flight.

But does that mean we don’t care about Divisions 4 and 5? It’s all very well wanting fairness, but it has to apply to everyone, not just when it suits us. Still, I agree with you on this point.

After all, it’s not this bonus that’s going to make much difference to the agreements

I’m in favour of this being extended to all divisions within the leagues, even if it means the amounts are scaled according to the division.
The largest bonus for D1, with the bonus decreasing for each division.
This could help and motivate the teams and leagues.
100% of the proposed amount for D1
80% for D2
60% for D3
40% for D4
20% for D5
Here is my proposal

Ali_Cool: Cette récompense augmentera la compétition entre tous les clubs des entente 123 au lieu de la rendre exclusive à la première division.

Just to remind you, this is an award that will go to the best club in each league, not the best of them all; so as far as increasing competition is concerned, we won’t be any closer to that tomorrow than we are today.

Hello ^^

I’m going to give my opinion even though nobody asked for it :)

As far as I’m concerned, this whole thing is a massive farce; offering bonuses to the top clubs in each D1 division is a bloody ***** idea :)

Actually, I’m really worried ^^

I’m sure some of the top teams from the D2 and D3 leagues will want to take up the challenge and boost their end-of-season takings

Anyway, I don’t know if you lot think 10 million is a significant amount or not, but yes, I reckon some will move to Division 1 leagues…

There you go!

No, but seriously, 10M per member of just ONE alliance – that’s nothing! It just adds a bit of competition between members, and for that, it’s a very good idea.

Will members of alliances 2 and 3 move up to alliance 1? Perhaps, but I doubt it, and even if that were the case, it would only strengthen those alliances!

As for the lower divisions, it would be normal for them to be included in this challenge as well

It’s 10 million for the best team in each agreement, not 10 million for each member of the best team.

Blagoje Vidinic: C'est 10 millions pour le meilleur de chaque entente et pas 10 millions pour chaque membre de la meilleure entente.

Yes, sorry, there was a mistake in my message 😅

dudziak: apres ce n'est pas cette prime qui changera grand chose dans les ententes

On the contrary, this bonus will intensify competition within the leagues.

This bonus will certainly encourage many members to join the top-flight leagues to take advantage of this benefit

Blagoje Vidinic: Pour rappel, c'est une récompense qui échoira au meilleur club de chaque entente pas au meilleur d'entre tous donc pour ce qùi est d'augmenter la compétition, on n'en sera pas plus proche demain qu'on ne l'est aujourd'hui.

I know that this bonus will be awarded to the member who has earned the most points in each agreement.

However, I don’t understand why the D2 and D3 agreements are not eligible. They, too, deserve to be rewarded for their efforts.

D2 and D3, but not D4 and D5? Why?

maradonald: D2 et D3, mais pas D4 et D5 ? Pourquoi ?

The same goes for 4 and 5

I do have one question, though: for you D1 league members, is 10 million a lot?

And another question: would that still motivate some people to give their all in the IE and thus reignite the title race in D1?

In your original proposal (which I support), you suggest up to D3. And in your previous post, the same. Up to D3.
Why is that?
Because your team is in Division 3 and you’re no longer interested in the lower divisions, right?
Thanks, and enjoy the game.

maradonald: Dans ta proposition initiale (que je défends) tu proposes jusqu'à la D3. Et dans ton post antérieur, pareil. Jusqu'à la D3.
Pourquoi ?
Parce que ton entente est en D3 et que les divisions inférieures ne t'intéressent plus désormais, pas vrai ?
Merci et bon jeu.

I completely agree with you ^^

Having known Ali, he’s just a pathetic bloke who only thinks about money...

He’s greedy for it ^^

He only thinks about his own interests, and after just six months on the game he thinks he’s better than lads who’ve been here since 2007...

There you go

We should charge people for creating posts lol

Ali_Cool: Au contraire, cette prime va renforcer la compétition au sein des ententes.

Cette prime va certainement pousser de nombreux membres à rejoindre les ententes de première division pour profiter de cet avantage

Blimey, if a bloke joins a league just to finish top of his league, just for 10 million 🤣

So your request that the rules be the same across all leagues, in all divisions, is legitimate and I support it, but you shouldn’t just say any old thing to justify it. 😅

And I don’t know of many leagues that would accept that sort of manager. That’s not why you join a league.

Cost of setting up an alliance in d5: 5 million.
So you need to be careful if the bonuses extend all the way to d5. There are certainly plenty of oddballs who would be capable of setting up 30 clubs, getting them to form 30 alliances of which they would be the sole members, just to make a bit of money....

Rull43: Puree si un mec postule ds une entente ds le but de finir 1er de son entente, juste pour 10 millions 🤣

Alors ta demande que cela soit idem ds toutes les ententes, de toutes les divisions est légitime et je la soutiens, après faut pas dire n'importe quoi pour la justifier. 😅

Et je ne connais pas bcp d'ententes qui accepteront ce genre de managers. On ne rejoint pas une entente pour cela.

At the Union Étoilée, that must be the perfect way to rake in 10 million if the measure’s rolled out for everyone ^^

Nothing but clowns ^^

Oops...

Demi-cerveau: Coût de création d'une entente en d5 : 5 millions.
Donc il faut faire attention si les primes s'étendent jusqu'en d5. Il y a bien des urluberlus qui seraient capables de créer 30 clubs, leur faire créer 30 ententes dont ils seraient les seuls membres, juste pour créer du fric ....

Good point...

Luckily, I’m not very rich ^^

gweltaz29: Heureusement que je suis pas très riche ^^

2 amendes quand même xD

Join a D1 alliance and you’ll get a 10M bonus :p

More seriously, do you really think people are going to join a specific alliance just for that 10M? It seems unrealistic to me. Extending this to the lower divisions could cause problems, as demi said.

Don’t forget that new revenue is inevitably offset by additional expenditure. Personally, I’d even scrap that 10m. The honours list might be enough, and there’s no real problem with extending it to everyone.

Galywat: Rejoins une entente de d1, t'as une prime de 10M :p

Plus sérieusement vous pensez vraiment que des gens vont rejoindre une entente spécifique pour ces 10M ? Ca me paraît irréaliste. Étendre ca sur des petites divisions ca peut poser des problèmes comme l’a dit demi.

Ne pas oublier que de nouveaux revenus sont forcément compensés par des dépenses supplémentaires. Perso je retirerais même ces 10m pour tous. Le palmarès peut suffire, et ca pas vraiment de problème à l'étendre à tous.

Well, I was just wondering if 10 million was a lot for you giants 😔

After 6 months playing the game, I’ve barely got 2 million in my bank account lol

So maybe for you lot, 10 million is peanuts, but if we scale that up to d5, then yes, there’ll be cheating ^^

Maybe reduce the bounty, to something like 500k? ;)

Let’s say that 10M is no small sum. But for a team in Division 1, aiming for that isn’t something that’s going to fundamentally change their club.

500k in Division 5 is very little, really very little, bearing in mind that it’s supposedly intended for teams capable of picking up a few points. Given that it’s one per agreement, I really struggle to see the point of it.

Obviously, for the big 10m players, it’s a drop in the ocean…
I honestly don’t see the point of these 10m players – whether you’ve got 10m or not, you’re still fighting for your place in the team, full stop.

hazard14: Clairement pour les gros 10m c'est une miette de pain...
Je vois pas l'intérêt de ces 10m franchement perso d'avoir 10m ou pas tu te bat pour ton entente point bar

Thanks for answering my question, mate ;)

A storm in a teacup!

We’re talking here about a paltry bonus for a potential D1 league champion!

I reckon you’re lacking a bit of perspective and experience on VF Ali, but you’re never short of a good bit of controversy on the forum 🙂‍↕️

Take the time to build your team and play by the established rules before constantly trying to overhaul something you’ve only just begun to grasp; this will allow you to gain experience and insight into the game, as well as build your reputation as a manager.

Experience counts for a lot here; never forget that on your long journey through VF 🙏🏼

Radio: Une tempête dans un verre d'eau !

On parle ici d'une prime dérisoire pour un potentiel champion des ententes de D1 !

Je crois que tu manques de recul et d'expérience sur VF Ali, mais n'es jamais avare d'une bonne polémique sur le forum 🙂‍↕️

Prends le temps de construire ton entente et de jouer selon les règles déjà établies avant de vouloir réformer en permanence ce que tu caresses du bout des doigts, cela te permettra d'accumuler de l'expérience, du vécu sur ce jeu, mais également de con...

Perhaps this bonus seems paltry to you and to the wealthy clubs in Division 1,
but it would be of real value to the clubs in the leagues looking to progress.

As president of a league, I’m not looking to stir up controversy; I’m simply defending my league’s interests 😉

I’m not asking for millions for everyone, but for a fairer rewards system.
If bonuses already exist in other competitions, such as the league,
why not extend them to league-based competitions?