I've had a number of injuries and suspensions over the last few days.

Tomorrow, I play in the LDC semi-final with a depleted squad (2 injured and one suspended among my first-choice players).

My question is this:
Can a member of my club lend me players for this match and get them back afterwards?

Not at the end of the match, I think there's a time limit.

You know the answer very well Estac, there's no point in making a subject to cover yourself up.

estac: Ces derniers jours, j'ai eu plusieurs blessés et suspendus.

Demain, je joue en demi finale de LDC avec un effectif amoindri (2 blessés et un suspendu parmis mes titulaires)

Ma question est la suivante :
Est ce qu'un membre de mon entente peut me prêter des joueurs pour ce match et les récupérer à l'issu ?

I think you can break the loans after your LDC match or even the day after, as the cassation procedure seems quicker when it's the borrower who breaks the loan.

Adrimax: Tu connais très bien la réponse Estac, pas la peine de faire un sujet pour se couvrir de quoi que ce soit..

I don't know the answer.
That's why I'm asking

Do you want to know if it's physically feasible or legally possible?

Because materially it is, legally I have no idea.

I'm talking about the legally feasible.

Some have tried it and had problems 🤣🤣🤣

The question doesn't even arise !!!!

I understand magpie is coming in with 4 injured/suspended for the LDC tonight.
And he's going to get a mug in the face.
Strangely, he hasn't asked me for any players or advice, so I don't understand why.
Maybe one of you will pull off the feat in these conditions.
Good luck to you all!

Rull43: Je crois savoir que magpie se présente avec 4 blessés/suspendus pour la LDC ce soir.
Et il va se prendre une chope dans la gueule.
Bizarrement, il ne m'a pas demandé des joueurs ou des conseils, je ne pige pas pk.
Peut-être que l'un de vous va créer l'exploit ds ces conditions.
Bonne chance à tous

Maybe it's because he's been watching your players? 🫣

estac: Je parle du légalement faisable.

Legally, it already seems highly questionable.
Morally, I'm not even talking about it.

From what I've been able to see, it's apparently allowed in IE, so I think it must also be the case in LDC.

It's part of the game to have injured players. The pro clubs have injured players but they don't get players on loan for a match.
You have to deal with it, it's football. It doesn't come at the right time, it's a shame. But if we authorise loans for one match, we're not done yet.

Just the thought of doing it is already "strange" (and I use that word advisedly).
If an admin dares to say that it's allowed, to lend, to rig a loan for a single match, then I'll fall head over heels.
The same goes for the championships, if we go that way... At the end of the championship, I take the 6 best players in my agreement on loan just for the last week... Of course, there won't be any affinities, but if I can take 6 99-style players, that should be able to help me.

In short, daring to ask the question, already ethically, shocks me.

Is that not allowed? I've seen it several times though...

If we set aside the ethical considerations and just focus on the legal point, there's a sentence in the rules that says: "Any loan commits you and cannot be shortened at will".

Lebaygue: Rien que de penser a le faire,c est déja "étrange" (et je mesure mon mot).
Si un admin ose dire que c est autorisé,de prêter,magouiller un prêt pour un seul match alors je tomberais des nues.
De même pour les championnats si on va par la...Fin de championnat,je prends les 6 meilleurs joueurs de mon entente en pret juste pour la dernière semaine...Certes,y aura pas les affinités mais si je peux prendre 6 joueurs 99 style,ça devrait pouvoir m aider.

Bref oser poser la question,déja éthiquement...

Think about getting a loan manager too.

And zip it up, Lothar!

Azby: Si on zappe les considérations éthiques et qu'on s'attarde juste sur le point légal, il y a une phrase dans le règlement qui dit : "Tout prêt vous engage et ne peut être raccourci à souhait."

EDIT : formulation un peu vague, mais je pense que l'esprit de la règle est clair.

The problem actually stems from an "improvement" made by Aymeric. When I started on VF, you couldn't call back a player on loan, and you couldn't cancel a loan when you were a borrower. And that was a very good thing.

So yes, from time to time we'd get an admin to intervene because we'd loaned a player in progress to a guy who hadn't logged on for 5 or 6 days ...

But frankly, allowing loan reminders, and even worse, loan cancellations by the borrower, is a bad thing. I should point out that this has been my position ever since this kind of reminder became possible. And that I reported it internally when I was in charge.

All you have to do is look at the fact that all the problems we've seen recently (the proliferation of endurance courses in particular) stem from this, in the first place.

It was a really bad idea. And since then we've been stubbornly sticking plasters on this wooden leg, which is a real shame.

Thanks for the history!

I think that this reflection is mostly 2nd degree to denounce certain practices that some agreements do ... after I may be wrong 😉

hazard14: Je pense que cette réflexion est surtout du 2eme degrés pour dénoncer certaine pratique que font certaines entente... après je peux me tromper 😉

That's what I said to myself afterwards, you're certainly right.

Not forbidden not illegal but with the affinity malus, no interest !!!
That's why affinity is interesting !

So I propose that the Estac goalkeeper with 40 stamina should play 3 games a day!

Ced90: Je propose donc que le gardien d'Estac avec 40 d'endurance fasse 3 matchs par jour !

If you ever need it, I know 2 or 3 friends who can make it up to 45 if you're interested.

What does it say in the regulations?

Thanks to Magik for his player.
He will be available again on the 22nd for a new club.

I believe that transparency is essential on a subject like this.

There are two things:
-The quick loan for repair, which in an ethical and real sense is difficult to tolerate and fair.
-Quick loans with the aim of optimising a player via a fail while leaving as little trace as possible.
The matter is in the hands of the admins and Aymeric is aware of this since the last case of a player who went through 50 different clubs.
Decisions will have to be made.
Have a good evening.

I think he already got a ban for cheating 1 year ago...

Good game estac

Good evening. Given that I seem to have been clearly targeted by this totally innocent little manoeuvre, I'd like to say a few words.
I fully recognise that I did this, lending a player for a match. First and foremost, I'd like to make it clear that at no time did I think it was illegal.
A club (Rom) with whom I share a great friendship on VF and irl, 900km apart, had a specific need. As I no longer had any use for this player, I naturally decided to lend him out. I was going to sell him anyway, I really didn't need him any more.
At the time, it seemed totally normal. And absolutely not illegal. Rom then sent it back to me to sell soon. And that was that. I shouldn't have done that.
It was seeing all that sauce that made me realise that this might not be a good thing at all. Okay, the tools clearly allow it, and there's nothing in the rules that forbids it, but I understand that it offends.
So I'd like to make amends and admit that I did it without thinking of hurting anyone at the time. I'd also like to apologise to my agreement, because inevitably people are going to be looking for lice. Clearly, the guys can't do anything about it, they don't manage my club, and I didn't advertise it either, because as far as I'm concerned there was nothing wrong with it.
Now, I'll deal with it. If it's really forbidden, then let's say so clearly, like scheduling friendlies to postpone LdC dates. That's what it says. There's nothing written here. So I thought I was within my rights.
And my player only played this match. He in no way took advantage of it to improve or anything else.
So I apologise again if I've offended anyone, be it my agreement or other vf managers. Magik

Dammit, Magik, you're not going to sleep all night again!

And spend the evening on discord!

In the past, we had to ban this practice and then Aymeric made it impossible. Because of the abuse, once again, of people. Anyway, everyone does as they please, in less than 3 weeks it's the sausage fair, so we might as well have a drink first. And that's all part of managing a workforce, I suppose. Well, on VF. Apééééérooooooooo

Jeffus tuchuss: Je pense que la transparence est de mise sur un tel sujet.

Il y a deux choses :
-Le prêt rapide de Depannage qui dans le sens éthique et réel est difficilement tolérable et équitable.
-le prêt rapide dans le but d’optimiser un joueur via une fail en laissant le moins de trace possible.
Le sujet est entre les mains des admins et aymeric est au courant depuis la dernière affaire du joueur qui est passé par 50 clubs différents.
Des décisions seront à prendre.
Bonne soirée.

And Jeff is right to look into this because at the time when Aymeric banned loans of less than 7 days (I think? I can't really remember and it's not the sort of thing I remember), some clubs found a way of getting round it. As for buying and selling from club A to club B to get round the ban, he had the clubs transfer via clubs C, D, E and so on.

Whatever happens, people will always find a way around the rules, that's just the way it is. It doesn't matter what's done. That's always been the case, everywhere.

Magik'jojo: Bonsoir , Etant donné que je semble clairement visé par cette petit manœuvre totalement innocente, je tiens à prendre la parole.
Je reconnais totalement avoir fait ça, prêter un joueur pour un match. Je précise avant toute chose qu'à aucun moment je ne pensais que c'était illégal.
Un club (Rom) avec qui je partage une grande amitié sur VF et irl avec 900km d’écart a eu un besoin ponctuel. N'ayant plus d'utilité pour ce joueur, j'ai naturellement décidé de lui prêter. De toute façon j'allais l...

I don't see why it should affect the deal, don't worry about that. On VF, there have been some HUGE things and the agreements have sometimes been spared. Others have been breached multiple times and nothing has happened. So here, an isolated gesture by a player for something that seems SO far from what has been practised in terms of "optimisation"... and if you're only talking about jabbering, then yes, there is and always will be. But who gives a shit about that to the power of 10?

totally agree with you mdr
which is what the thief is asking for, we have the same exel files as him I think
mdr you're on it too