Aymeric,
Where’s the logic in this match?
Hazard said as much recently, and loads of posts have pointed it out, but nothing’s changing....
How do you expect to retain new managers with a Manager of the Month award that’s in such a sorry state?
We really need to look into this.
See my match from tonight: #match?mid=6876763

1.34/0.82: 0–4 --> Thanks for that lovely friendly…
It’s already the third time this season that we’ve missed out on 32nd place in the VFFA because of the MdM, that lovely inter-club match and a 0–6 friendly (though I was in training mode for that one, but 0–6 for a 0.54/1.94)
How on earth can anyone enjoy themselves with such rubbish results?

The xG figures for all these matches are reassuring, but the results are completely ridiculous...

I agree with you.
The problem is that the stronger you are, the more likely you are to lose to a weaker opponent. Just so you know, I also took a few proper knocks last season – when you’ve got a 0.2 per cent of losing by a three-goal margin, or even losing 1–0. I don’t mind losing to someone weaker than me – that’s not the point – but when you see the scores sometimes, you wonder why you should carry on. It’s got to the point where I’m afraid to make a substitution or change tactics during a match, otherwise I’ll concede a goal and that’s already happened to all of us – losing is part of the game. Aymeric, we’re not asking you to change everything with the MDM; we’re just asking for the scores to make more sense – especially if you lose several times in the season with scores that really don’t make sense. Think of those who put in real money and keep the game going. This isn’t a criticism; it’s just an observation.

The stronger you are, the more likely you are to lose: ......let’s not go overboard, though!

I’ve just come off the back of a very one-sided cup match where I created 21 chances (a record – I didn’t even think that was possible) and scored 8 goals.
#match?mid=6874790

It’s been said a hundred times already, so let’s add a hundred and first:
If chance played such a big part, it wouldn’t always be the same teams at the top of the VF table, nor would it always be the same clubs winning the titles.
If every team played their 100 IE matches by tossing a coin, over 50 seasons you’d have a good dozen different winners of at least one title. So how do you explain that there have been almost only two?

The element of chance is undeniable in this game, but it affects around 10 or 15 per cent of matches, which I think is acceptable.
The problem is no doubt that it’s these matches that people remember and complain about here, rather than the others.

Nobody comes here to start a thread saying: ‘Thanks to the MDM, in my first 14 matches of the season I’ve had 12 logical results.’
Yet if you flip a coin 14 times, getting ‘heads’ 12 times is quite exceptional (if my memory of probability calculations serves me correctly, that’s once in 180).

Bloody hell… I’m right behind you in IE. They’ll definitely rebalance it and you’ll be unplayable 😁

jul068: Et merd.. , je te prends juste derrière en IE. A coup sûr rééquilibrage et tu seras injouable 😁

He’ll give you a carrot and won’t come and post it 🤣

myforsans: Plus tu es fort, plus tu as de chance de perdre, : ......il ne faut pas exagérer quand même !

Là je sors à l'instant d'un match de coupe très déséquilibré et je me suis créé 21 occasions (un record, je croyais même pas que c'était possible) et 8 buts marqués.
#match?mid=6874790

Ca a déjà été dit 100 fois donc on va en ajouter une 101ème :
Si la part du hasard était si importante, ce ne serait pas toujours les mêmes équipes qui seraient en tête du classement VF, ni...

Wait until you’ve reached 260 myfor points, and then we’ll talk about it again....

hazard14: Attend la fin des 260pts myfor et on en reparle....

You complain about the matchmaker when it puts you at a disadvantage.
When it gives you an advantage, you complain about the other players...

When the 260 points are gone and you keep getting 2xg.
What’ll the problem be then?

jul068: Et merd.. , je te prends juste derrière en IE. A coup sûr rééquilibrage et tu seras injouable 😁

I would like to point out that all the matches are independent of one another.

estac: Tu te plains du mdm quand il te désavantage.
Quand il t'avantage, tu te plains des joueurs des autres...

Quand il n'y aura plus les 260 points et que tu continueras à te prendre 2xg.
Quel sera le problème ?

Don’t be frustrated just because you didn’t win earlier.
For the last 20 seasons, the top teams have had 30 points more per player than everyone else – that’s a fact, and good for you! But to say, ‘Yeah, it’s always the same lot’ – I don’t agree with that when you look at the Champions League before this generation.
Honestly, having played loads of games, your stats really help you avoid being spread too thin across all fronts because you’ve got far too many stats.
Anyway, I’m not going to go on about the buggy match and here – you’re struggling to get over the draw, and yes, I’ll say it, you’ve had a bit of a knock, but one every 20 matches is fine – you’ll survive.

hazard14: Sois pas frustré car tu as pas win tout a l'heure.
Ca fait 20 saisons que les meilleurs ont 30 pts par joueur de plus que tout le monde c'est un constat et tant mieux pour vous! Mais de dire ouais cest toujours les meme je suis pas d'accord quand on voit la ldc avant cette génération.
Franchement pour en avoir joué beaucoup vos team vous aide vachement a pas etre sur tout le fronts car vous avez beaucoup trop de stat .
Bref je vais pas m'étaler entre partie bug et ici ta du mal a digérer l...

I’ve got no problem with draws. It’s part of the game and I’ve come to accept it.
You won’t see me posting a carrot.
Like everyone else, I get my fair share of them.
(skyz takes great pleasure in bringing them up every time.)

The only thing that annoys me is this sort of topic that’s been going round in circles for the last five years.
The MDM is what it is, and Aymeric has no plans to change it.
Why carry on playing if the game annoys you so much?

Long-serving players aren’t asking for too much. I suggest you put together a team of 11. That’ll help you let off some steam.

As for the bugs, that’s a completely separate issue.
I was just expressing how I feel.

Yet another thread, always from the ‘I’m leaving, I’m taking a break,I’m sulking, but actually I’m still here because it’s easier to criticise than to stop, and nobody taught me how to deal with frustration when I was little’—with a bit of luck, this will keep people occupied for the weekend before it’s closed down until the next childish outburst.

You’re right, Estac: “Why carry on playing?”.
I’m going to stop playing in the IEs. I’ll finish the season for the team’s sake, and that’s it.
That way, I won’t need to keep up with it any more. If things do change one day, I’d still prefer to keep my club afloat, though.
But I don’t want to waste my time any more, and unfortunately, that’s one of the reasons why VF is losing so many managers.
The MdM makes no sense at times.
And yes, the big names are always at the top because they have incredible teams, are more dedicated and are undoubtedly better strategically and tactically, but that’s not the problem.
The problem is those matches that end with a ridiculous result between two good teams, with xG figures suggesting the opposite, or against weak teams where it sometimes takes 15 chances to score just one. It happens far too often.
I’m not into the stats, but defeats with a ratio below 1 per cent should happen once every five seasons, not twice in a single season (and the season isn’t even over yet)...I’ve had a 6–0 too… but I think the ratio was above 1.
Anyway, it suits the majority, so that’s fine. It doesn’t suit me.

jul068: Et merd.. , je te prends juste derrière en IE. A coup sûr rééquilibrage et tu seras injouable 😁

No way to get back on track...
I used to be somewhere between 15th and 50th in the overall rankings; now I’m between 150th and 250th.
I must have missed a step somewhere; I’ve forgotten how to play VF and I’m going to stop stressing myself out over this game.
I’m going to look for something else that’s better polished and more fun. If, one day, I fancy a bit of chance, I’ll suggest a game of Yams or Monopoly to my wife.

Nitnelav: Je tiens à rappeler que tous les matchs sont indépendants.

Perhaps, but unfortunately that’s not what stands out.
It clearly gives the impression that the good results are making up for it.

Nitnelav: Je tiens à rappeler que tous les matchs sont indépendants.

Fake news!

Ragen: Peut être mais c'est pas ce qui se remarque malheureusement
Ça donne clairement l'impression que les moments de bons résultats rattrapent .

And yet the xG-to-goal conversion rate doesn’t vary one iota.

It’s just that it doesn’t depend solely on that.
There might well be a control system that operates independently of the xg.
Anyway, I’m just saying what I’ve noticed.

It’s funny, it always goes one way.

Whenever someone gets a telling-off, they just have to come and post about it, saying it’s a scandal.

But when we give one, it’s total radio silence.

Ragen: C'est que ça dépend pas que de ça
Y peux bien y avoir un système de régulation qui agis indépendamment des xg
Après moi je dis ce que je remarque

And yet that’s not the case. xG values are calculated directly based on the current match statistics. And the conversion follows a linear probability model. There is no rebalancing.

If you roll the dice and get a 1 three times in a row, that doesn’t mean that on the fourth roll you’re any less likely to get a 1 than any other number. It’s the same here.

johncenawwe: C'est marrant, ça tourne toujours dans un sens.

Quand on prend une carotte, il faut à tout prix venir le poster en disant que c'est un scandale.

Quand on en met une, c'est silence radio total.

I’d have loved to, but unfortunately, as far as I can recall from my time as Vfien’s manager, I don’t remember ever putting one exactly like that in the other direction…
A few minor tweaks, yes, but not on that scale.