why not block for three/four days, or even 7 days the returns from loans (when the club has 32 players in the current squad) by sending them to a fitness center (like CDF).? of course, for that Aymeric would have to create a "fitness center" here is my idea which I think would avoid the surplus of players beyond 32 ahahahlalala my god, I had an idea :p

There is a simpler thing to set up. If upon returning from loan, you exceed 32 players, the player is automatically sent to the auction at 0. That would solve a lot of problems and no one could take advantage of the bug to have more than 32 players. Besides, isn't it written in the rules that it is forbidden to take advantage of a bug?

I tend to agree with sending it to auction, it's harsh, but loan returns need to be prepared, or they need to be prolonged.

I'm not sure it's a bug because it's 32+12 And I've always known about this principle and it's never been hidden Aymeric is aware of it as are the admins But I understand that if we take this for a flaw then yes it's not normal

Before loan returns were not possible when you had 32 players, it was automatically extended. It was a good solution.

If from the beginning we could not have more than 32 players and the loans were automatically extended the debate would not even have taken place. The "flaw" or bug in question brings a comfort that you have become accustomed to, as estac says it is a management game, so let's manage. But let's not circumvent the rules.

I said this for the sake of example, but you're right, and it breaks another rule: the club that receives the player must accept the extension. If they don't accept, player at auction at 0?

The best solution (and the simplest and most effective) is to leave the player in the borrowing club as long as the lending club is at the maximum. - It remains to be determined whether 32 is the right number, because that too can change - It also remains to be determined whether this blockage would only concern long-term loans or also IS loans because suddenly it is the coach who can end up with too many players... without his full consent 😀 Another solution would be that there are no limits and that everyone is free because contrary to what some say there are not only advantages to having a lot of players: salaries to pay, less playing time per player, less acquisition of affinity etc.. and above all a player losing value as he ages, there is no point in keeping him if he hardly ever plays. If it is a management game, knowing how to optimize your squad is also good management If there is no limit, in my opinion no club will have 40 players. That's why claiming, as some do, that having 33 or 34 players instead of 32 is an advantage that makes you switch to cheating, to the fault or whatever else, is blindness.

An auction would be more effective and managers will be more careful, as many point out we are in a management game this obviously involves loan returns, an auto loan extension is not appropriate this can penalize the borrowing club but it is the lending club and only it which must be,

An auction sale sorry but it's disgusting to do that, we will pay the sale fees when we didn't ask for anything The only solution is to leave 1 week to regularize after ok on sale if you want but not to do it automatically, many do not come to the vforum so the bug part will be overloaded by leaving 1 week with a warning be careful you have 32 players and players are coming back soon to your team (or else make this message 1 week before the end of the season)

Group and individual training sessions could also be cancelled as long as a team has more than 32 players in its squad. If an overcrowded team can no longer train its players, there is no doubt that the manager concerned will not be slow to comply.

Which proves that Lebaygue doesn't just talk nonsense :D

Why not a sort of buffer zone, a sort of list of unregistered players where players would be automatically put in the cases mentioned above. The players would be unusable, in training as much as in matches, as long as a place does not become available. A sort of compromise.

Yes Buffer zone as I said At the beginning (fitness center), players blocked At least 5 to 7 days This gives time to make room in the club, Or increase the workforce to 33 players 🤔

It's still funny, instead of punishing cheaters, we want to find a solution to avoid abuse. It's a left-wing policy in fact xD

Putting players aside is already a negative impact 😁

We need to create a loft to put the players 😁😁😁

The problem seems to have been resolved.

FYI, loans will now be automatically extended if the squad is full. Another point: It will no longer be possible to buy a player or remove a player from the CDF when a player from the squad is called up to IS/Federation. Problem: some borrowing clubs will find themselves stuck with players they no longer want. So, I propose the following solution: When a borrowing club finds itself in this situation, it reports it to an admin who will then contact the lending club. It will give them 7 days to regularize, failing which the player will be put back in their squad and placed on the auction list at €0 for a period of 12 hours.

I want this to be put in the rules please 😀

In this case there will be more problems 😀 thank you

A monster job, not sure because it is a fairly marginal situation in the end. On the other hand, I quite agree with you about the rules, but how else to do it?

If the loans are extended, for how long? Is it for the whole new season or for x days, x being the time for the loaner's squad to fall back to 31 (which would suppose that every day a program runs through all the players on loan to check which ones can return to the loaner).

So great now you have 32 players in your squad to be at least competitive and 12 ready to prepare the next generation. If tomorrow your partner decides to stop training for you, you either lose your youngster or you are forced to sell a player that you potentially use... I don't really understand, it's not realistic but hey... Why not do like La Liga? Prevent the player who came back 33rd, 34th etc from being fielded... especially since for my part, they systematically (or almost) start again on J1...

Those with 33 players and more to date. In 7 days is there a player who jumps or not?

See with your agreement it is they who submitted the idea 😉

Hmmmm too bad not to have mentioned the subject, and to propose retained avenues, before making such a problematic update. I think like Demi' that the modification is far from negligible. For me, it was enough simply to legislate, nothing more. A simple inscription on the Regulations that the limit was 32/32 and that an excess led to a sanction (and possibly possible to include a tolerance of a few days at the beginning of the season, why not). Thus, you could resolve the problem without significant consequences. And the regulation avoided any problem. Because there, it is obvious that the problems will be numerous for the teams currently having 12 players on loan. Apart from releasing 12 players at auction (no choice for it to go, the market having been destroyed since the changes of 6 seasons ago, initiating the NG99 en masse), and causing the ruin of some, I do not see any other solution, to absorb this sudden change..... and without reflection, once again (despite Aymeric's approval during the audio to think things over UPSTREAM with the community) With the increased fatigue, it is totally impossible to play with a team every day. Unless we had "guessed" Aymeric's desire for change. So we need 2 squads. 21 players. If you have to deal with loan returns at the end of the season, and therefore leave let's say 6 places vacant (well yeah, if you want to be sure not to have your surpluses at auction!) that barely gives you 5 substitutes to ensure the season... With injuries, cards, and well, bringing in fresh blood, without even daring to talk about tactics with varied profiles. I think that this measure is far from being insignificant. While a simple regulatory regulation was adequate

So the idea of an extra week was retained, that's cool, thank you, by dint of denouncing everything and anything, new rules are imposed and it's logical. I just hope that for the future everyone will look at their club and avoid this kind of story in the future, we are on a game to have fun, cheaters have no place here, that's just my opinion.

Apparently, loans are only extended for about ten hours. It's not that bad.

Once again a regulation change during the season with loans in progress. Well between the ie, is and pret who will come back I will make myself only one team played every 2 days. Like that I could loan 12 players without problem

Good luck to those who train young people to an A and 12 ready, you will have to choose

We always talk about the borrower, but what about the lender. I am of good will, but I very often have 12 players on loan to help or have some players trained by my Entente friends. In order not to be bothered during the season (and especially at the end), if I lend 12 players, I must therefore have 20 players in my club at the most. I will therefore have to choose between helping my friends and my squad. 20 players are not enough to play competitive matches with an A team, and friendly matches with a B team. With 20 we will be forced to play 1 day out of 2 only. Morten, you said that these will be marginal cases, but all the clubs that have more than 32 players by adding the players in the squad + their loans will be impacted. In my opinion, there are a lot of people. Once again, it is mentioned that in order not to harm the borrower, if he no longer wishes to keep the player he can contact an Admin etc. If in the opposite case, the lending club no longer wishes to lend a player to a club (for various reasons, poor training, player who leaves the agreement etc etc) but the lending club has found another club to avoid being harmed. Will he be able to make the request to the admins to lend the player manually to another club? I understand the interest in dealing with this subject to avoid abuse and that some play on these loopholes to be advantaged on certain aspects. I totally agree to fight against this and it is necessary! But this restriction does not take into account lenders who are in good faith in my opinion. Or in any case, it will strongly penalize them.

I also have players on loan. I plan ahead to renew the loans, I don't wait until the last minute to do it. And if I know that I have to get players back on loan at the end of the season, I arrange to sell 1 or 2 players. I always have 32 players and I've never had a problem.

Renewing a paid loan is free for the borrower I lend a player 1 M to 50 days I am asked to extend well the next 56 days will be free for him so he comes home and then he takes him back something that we can no longer do. So personally either I lend 12 paying players or I have a squad to play every day I only have 2 young people in training once finished I will have an A to play official matches and 12 loan Or I have an A and free ones All the changes from one day to the next are starting to be heavy

You are never happy, there is something that you don't like, you complain, a system is put in place, you complain... whatever is done, you will complain, even though we are on a management game and even with a limit of 32 players, it is largely feasible: 11 players for A, 10 players for B who are often players to be trained (you can even say 11 if you want a second goalkeeper). That still leaves 10 places free, even 6 places free if we add 2 substitutes for each team. The simplest thing in this case to avoid moving the 32 players when returning from loan would be that instead of loaning 12 players, there are only 6 players who can be loaned, in this way by loaning or borrowing only 6 players, the problem becomes almost obsolete and this will allow the admins or the MDJ to have more time to manage other more important concerns.

Why change everything overnight, without ever asking managers for their opinions???

It's much easier to give your opinion when you don't loan players who can be a source of income because buying and selling has taken a big hit in the head.

It's just a game we're going to adapt but between the 2 seasons 135/136 there were changes without warning. Tomorrow you play any game and now we do how cool it is. For me, the subject is closed, I know what I have left to do

It's crazy. There are some who are never happy. Supposedly having more than 32 players is an abuse. So Morten proposes a rule that is certainly strict but coherent and suddenly the same people who found that there was abuse come whining that the rule will hinder their personal comfort. It's a bit like the story of the tables being turned. Those who asked for a specific rule in the regulations have a lot of nerve to complain that it is being introduced.

I propose an idea like that, but why not create a reserve group? All loan returns go into this group and we can only take players out of this group if we have less than 32 players without the possibility of swapping these players with those in the main group (taking into account the IS and fede of course). That would solve the problem of many people without penalizing anyone.