Hi everyone,
This is getting serious.
How can you take carrots like that all the time?
This season is a disaster, how can the creators of this game let this continue?
Is the aim to be AFK? To take a point or win without any stats?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry!
All I know is that if it goes on like this, soon there won't be anyone left on this game!
image](https://i.imgur.com/PJN7u6N.jpeg)

We're clearly favouring AFKs, when you see the penalty you take for a simple change...
The problem is that carrots should be "exceptional" and they are commonplace.
It just doesn't make sense: isn't Aymeric's aim to get people to spend time and money in the store? The MDM favours those who spend as little time as possible on the game, are AFK during their matches... and are therefore unlikely to consume from the store.
At this rate, in a few seasons, a lot of people will stop. They'll either stop following the games, stop buying from the store or stop playing altogether.

Well, it's been a while...

You forgot to post about your league game yesterday, that was a nice carrot you gave him too 🤔

Blagoje Vidinic: Tiens, y avait longtemps...

But if you're happy to continue with a game that has an MDM that doesn't look like anything, good for you... but maybe you should ask yourself why there are so few people left on this game.
How many active players are there? How many multis? In short. Enjoy the game.

MrHoman: T'as oublié de poster pour ton match d'hier en championnat, c'est une belle carotte que tu lui as mis aussi 🤔

Look at all the games I've played this season then!

Malus for Belgians 😂😘

It's all right, you're 2nd in the league... there are worse things xD

Blagoje Vidinic: Tiens, y avait longtemps...

Well, instead of posting a super-useful comment, maybe you should listen to your community...
If there's a general feeling of being fed up, then you need to ask yourself the right questions?
I play this game to have a good time and to have fun, but if I'm going to get annoyed about a game, it's going to get really annoying...
It's like playing FIFA.
What's more, I can see that we're really good at listening to our community!
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sebi99: Ça va, tu es 2ème en championnat.. il y a pire xD

Yes, but when you're beaten by more than 7 points, you shouldn't be in 2nd place 😂

Blagoje Vidinic: Tiens, y avait longtemps...

Oh, you're stealing my lines !!!!

After that, you have to relax, you take carrots but you also put them in...
If you only look at the stats, then you don't play the games any more and you work out the standings straight away.
You have to accept the uncertainty.

Kervir29: Après faut se détendre, des carottes on prend mais on en met aussi...
Si on prend uniquement les stats, ben on ne joue plus les matchs et on fait le classement tout de suite.
Il faut accepter la part d'incertitude.

At no point do I deny that, just like in real life, there are carrots but not all the time, and that's what makes it difficult.

Look at that, that's a nice carrot ▶️ #match?mid=6612713
But as I say, that's the game, it happens. And with a bit of lubricant, everything passes, you'll see... 🎺

who will get the golden carrot ,????

image](https://i.imgur.com/kdcrh6E.png)

The problem isn't whether to use carrots or not. The problem is that there are more carrots than logical results... and that's not normal. Carrots should remain the exception

Good luck Adrien ...
99% of the mdm pros will come down on you even if 99% never play in the competition and only play 50 friendlies a season....
It's a losing battle even if I agree with you 100%.

the creator stopped improving a long time ago; as for his henchmen, they're too addicted to trying to go in the right direction ... I play in my field against teams that are 10 years old on this site ... and that are in D4 ...evolutions of the players is a heresy especially if you are like my team ... and that I will not put any money in a game where the majority cheated in the past .. the hardest is to unplug because one dreams with the player that one will succeed with the row of star (not for me) lol

ADRIEN-39: Tiens tiens, au lieu de mettre un commentaire super utile, il faut peut-être écoute sa communauté…
Si il y a un ras le bol général c’est qu’il faut se poser les bonnes questions ?
Je joue a ce jeu pour passer un moment agréable et pour m’amuser, si c’est pour être énervé pour un jeu, ça en devient pénible…
On se croirait sur fifa.
Et en plus, je vois que l’on est super a l’ecoute de sa communauté !
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That's for sure...

michbou: qui aura la carotte d'or ,????

I would like to apply :

😂😂😂

Tchub: mais si ça vous plait de continuer sur un jeu qui a un MDM qui ne ressemble à rien, tant mieux pour vous... mais faut peut être se poser les questions de pourquoi il reste si peu de monde sur ce jeu.
Et encore combien d'actifs ? Combien de multis ? Fin bref. Amusez vous bien.

If you don't want to continue with a game that has an MDM that doesn't resemble anything, too bad for you... but you might want to ask yourself why you're sticking with this game.

ADRIEN-39: Tiens tiens, au lieu de mettre un commentaire super utile, il faut peut-être écoute sa communauté…
Si il y a un ras le bol général c’est qu’il faut se poser les bonnes questions ?
Je joue a ce jeu pour passer un moment agréable et pour m’amuser, si c’est pour être énervé pour un jeu, ça en devient pénible…
On se croirait sur fifa.
Et en plus, je vois que l’on est super a l’ecoute de sa communauté !
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Why pick on Blago?
He's just a simple admin who volunteers his time for the commu...
So yes tactically it's not crazy and it won't do any better than a draw against the CP 😜😘😂
But I think it's more Aymeric you should be complaining to 😉
On the other hand, I've always been told that carrots make you loveable... 🙂‍↔️😁

Blago is mean.

🤣😘❤️

I don't agree that an AFK can't get a result. If he has prepared his match, it's possible. Although without a scheduled change it seems more difficult to me.

In this case, in your match, he connected ... because he changed his entire defence. Your attack dropped to 190 and his defence went back up to 350. He had a 1 in 3 chance of a draw... you haven't lost yet, which isn't bad, but an IE match is always difficult.

Look at this match in my league today, defensive block, no strikers and they snatched victory. While the other team were favourites and made their changes ... those who take the initiative should be rewarded more and that's why I understand your frustration. The substitutes should have more impact on the game. That's the magic of football!

#match?mid=6598565&stats&min=80

It's still sad 😒

hazard14: Bon courage Adrien ...
99% des pro mdm vont te tomber dessus meme si 99% ne joue jamais la compétition et 50 amicaux par saisons....
Combat perdu d'avance meme si je suis 100% d'accord avec toi.

100% disagree, even if my opinion only counts for 0% because I'm part of a minority of 1%.

Curious to see the study on the % that said. It's always interesting to have facts and figures.

Drezzo35: Pourquoi s'en prendre a Blago ?
Qui lui n'est qu'un simple admin qui prend du temps bénévolement pour la commu...
Alors oui tactiquement c'est pas fou et ça fera pas mieux que match nul contre le stérilet de la CP 😜😘😂
Mais c'est plutôt auprès d Aymeric que tu devrais te plaindre je pense plutôt 😉
Par contre on m'a toujours dit que les carottes ça rendaient aimable... 🙂‍↔️😁

At no point do I attack him, it's he who responds to what I say by saying: Well, it's been a long time.
My way of expressing myself makes you feel fed up, as does my title, but at no point do I take it out on the admins....
You have to be able to tell the difference.
What makes me laugh is that some people see the form I'm using but that some people also see the root of the problem...
There's a lot to eat and drink, I'm aware of that, but we're playing a game for fun, carrots happen and they're bound to happen, just like in real life, but what bothers me is that in this case it's non-stop and it's getting tedious...
I try to eat carrots every day :-)

Blagoje Vidinic: C'est sûr...

Si tu as deux minutes, n'hésite pas à me dire quoi écrire d'utile sur ce sujet.

I'll take good note of your comment...
I hope you've done the same :-)

Look on the bright side.... beautiful carrots make great stews!

The problem is that the game isn't perfect, but it's still fun.
There have always been posts complaining about mdm for as long as the game has existed, and it's never going to change, so why bother complaining about it?
Take advantage of what's great about the game, enjoy your victories and blame your friends for their defeats, challenge yourself to improve your team, improve and refine your tactical knowledge. These are the only things you can influence, and there's plenty of fun to be had.

Pierabou: Le ras le bol, c'est que le jeu n'est certainement pas parfait mais malgré tout il y a moyen de sy amuser.
Il y a toujours eu des posts pour se plaindre du mdm depuis que le jeu existe, il n'y aura jamais de changement donc a quoi bon s'évertuer a s'en plaindre.
Profites de ce qui est sympa sur le jeu, kiffes tes victoires et chambre tes copains pour leurs défaites, challenge toi pour améliorer ton équipe, ameliore, affiné tes connaissances tactiques. Ce sont les seuls éléments que tu peux in...

I understand what you're saying, as I said on one of the posts, it's really the fact that it happens more than 5 times in a season that upsets me, the carrots are there, it has to continue, it's part of the game, but some things need to be more rational... we're here to have fun, and you can ask each of my opponents, I'm a really nice person and a really good vibe, but some things make me lose it, now I'm back down, but there you go...
Adrimax and Kevlor, the machines of agreement :)

ADRIEN-39: Je prends bonne note de ta remarque...
J'espère que tu as fait de même :-)

Aymeric demonstrated, with figures to back it up, that there were no

• no carrots galore
• nor any correlation between a bad result and a good one in its wake,
• nor compensation,
• or bonuses for afk,

...but beliefs are tenacious and everyone thinks that their sample is representative of THE truth when it doesn't even represent a significant percentage of anything.

As long as we refuse to look at our own results in the light of the large number of matches that take place every day on VF and for which the results obtained are mathematically correlated with the probabilities from which they derive, we'll continue to believe that when the sea gets rough it's after us.

Blagoje Vidinic: Aymeric a démontré, chiffres à l'appui, qu'il n'y avait

• ni carottes à gogo,
• ni corrélation entre un mauvais résultat et un bon en suivant,
• ni compensation,
• ni bonus aux afk,

...mais les croyances sont tenaces et chacun pense que son échantillon est représentatif de LA vérité alors qu'il ne représente même pas un pourcentage significatif de quoi que ce soit.

Tant que l'on refuse de regarder ses propres résultats à l'aune du grand nombre de matchs qui se déroule chaque jour sur VF et...

Well, personally, when I leave for work on my bike, I get a headwind. 8 hours later on the way back I still have a headwind! So the wind is against me? 🤔🤔

k3vin59218: He bien personellement , quand je part bosser a velo ,j ai un vent de face .. 8h apres pour le retour j ai encore le vent de face !! Donc le vent est contre moi ?? 🤔🤔

As Le Comte de Bouderbala used to say, "We won't be able to save everyone; some people are dead."
😁

Blagoje Vidinic: Aymeric a démontré, chiffres à l'appui, qu'il n'y avait

• ni carottes à gogo,
• ni corrélation entre un mauvais résultat et un bon en suivant,
• ni compensation,
• ni bonus aux afk,

...mais les croyances sont tenaces et chacun pense que son échantillon est représentatif de LA vérité alors qu'il ne représente même pas un pourcentage significatif de quoi que ce soit.

Tant que l'on refuse de regarder ses propres résultats à l'aune du grand nombre de matchs qui se déroule chaque jour sur VF et...

I admit that my approach was too direct and too frontal.
That's fine by me.
On the other hand, I'm still convinced that there are certain things about MDM that need to be improved.
I think it's a bit in bad faith to always find excuses for everything, not to question yourself, and to feel directly attacked.
If people complain (whatever the level of complaint), it's because there are things that need to be improved.
The community is also the lifeblood of the game; more community means more 'life' in the game.
I think it's possible to find a happy medium for everyone and make the game better than it is.
The basis of the game is good and we know it, that's why people stay.
And after all, if people complain, it's because they still care about the game, so we shouldn't see evil everywhere.
On that note. Good evening everyone and enjoy the game ⚽️

What evidence do you have to support your complaints?
(No offence intended.)

Well, it's been a long time...

Blagoje Vidinic: Tes plaintes sont appuyées par quelles données probantes ?
(Sans vouloir t'offusquer.)

Finishing with 2XG and the opposition 0.08 and drawing, for example.
Dominating all areas of the game defensively, in midfield and offensively and not creating any chances.
Having 80% of possession in all attacking areas and not scoring.
Taking a goal by dominating all areas of the game and even worse The defence with, for example, in the centre 100 defensively and 40 offensively
Left 50 defensively and 25 offensively
Right 60 defensively and 40 offensively.

Those are all the examples I can give you and you can go and watch some of my games and you might understand my frustration....

How many matches did you base your observations on?

Blagoje Vidinic: Aymeric a démontré, chiffres à l'appui, qu'il n'y avait

• ni carottes à gogo,
• ni corrélation entre un mauvais résultat et un bon en suivant,
• ni compensation,
• ni bonus aux afk,

...mais les croyances sont tenaces et chacun pense que son échantillon est représentatif de LA vérité alors qu'il ne représente même pas un pourcentage significatif de quoi que ce soit.

Tant que l'on refuse de regarder ses propres résultats à l'aune du grand nombre de matchs qui se déroule chaque jour sur VF et...

Probabilities aren't always reliable. Having a 95% chance of winning a match and going 2-2 up is like San Marino drawing against Spain...

ADRIEN-39: Le fait de finir avec 2XG et l’adversaire 0,08 et faire nul par exemple.
Le fait de dominer tous les secteurs de jeu défensivement, au milieu et offensivement et se créer aucune occasion.
Le fait d’avoir 80% de possessions avec tous les secteurs offensifs et ne pas marquer
Le fait de prendre un goal en dominant tous les secteurs et encore pire La Défense avec exemple dans l’axe central 100 défensivement et 40 offensivement
Côté gauche 50 défensivement et 25 offensivement
Côté droit 60 défen...

The problem is that the "defenders of the MDM" are going to come and talk to you about IRL football where there are carrots, except that in reality the missed chances are due to a finishing problem by the strikers or a save by the goalkeeper, something we have no control over on VF, it's just chance, whether your ATC has 99NG or 10ng it has the same finish, same for the goalkeepers.
So there's nothing we can do about it and the comparison is meaningless.

All the while knowing that max chances are capped at 0.27xG whereas in reality max chances are at 0.99xG 🙂
You just take that away it's the end of the carrots against AFK 60ng since those who leave boulevards would be taking 0.8 - 0.9xG chances (80-90% chance of scoring) all game.
Which is the equivalent of a pass in front of the goal with the net empty because the defence is so out of sorts.

Just before you, an anti-MDM has just drawn a parallel with IRL... Just goes to show, it's not just a spin reserved for the "bad guys".

In short, what do you expect from a game whose system is entirely mathematical?

Blagoje Vidinic: Juste avant toi, un anti-MDM vient de faire un parallèle avec l'IRL... Comme quoi, ce n'est pas une pirouette réservée aux "méchants".

Bref, sur un jeu dont le système est entièrement mathématique à quoi vous attendez-vous, en fait ?

Unleash the MDM instead of always levelling down (Malus when you move, xG capes so you don't pay too much) to tighten up the level.

Back in the day, 31-0 might have been too much, but matches like 0.4 - 0.6 xG in 90% of the game's big matches are a bit of a snore sometimes. 🙂

At last, an interesting and relevant argument!
Thanks Skyz.

Indeed, if there were a correlation between the dangerousness of chances (xG) and the distribution of statistics in the nine areas of the game, certain results would occur less often.

For all that, would the frustrations disappear or would another form appear, such as: "We have no ch

Blagoje Vidinic: Sur combien de matchs tu as basé ton observation ?

Out of 7 games this season...
If you think I had a fit of rage and unpacked my bag just after a match, that's not the case.
I'm a very stable person in my everyday life ;-)

Skyz sums up the MDM situation perfectly.
Increasing the XG would make it possible to increase the second-hand/goal conversion. And thus limit the carrot phenomenon.
I think the frustration is great for someone who takes a "carrot" when you have followed the match for 1h30 (or even less) while someone from AFK indirectly accepts not winning his match, or not having put all the chances on his side.

It's true that chances capped at 0.26/0.27xG when sometimes nothing happens in a match for 30 minutes... That's hardly punishing!

Especially when there are openings in one or more areas.

What's more, with the drastic reduction in the number of points per player (end of 99NG), in a few seasons we'll "only" have matches with almost equivalent statistics. Which promises increasingly boring matches!

ADRIEN-39: Sur 7 matchs cette saison..
Si tu crois que j’ai eu un coup de sang et que j’ai débalé mon sac juste après un match, ce n’est pas le cas.
Je suis quelqu’un de très stable dans ma vie de tous les jours ;-)

7 matches!?
On your only club !?

But do you know how many matches are played on VF every day?
Don't take this the wrong way, but we're a long, long way from having enough of a sample to obtain conclusive data.

7 games is just a "feeling", sorry...

Blagoje Vidinic: Juste avant toi, un anti-MDM vient de faire un parallèle avec l'IRL... Comme quoi, ce n'est pas une pirouette réservée aux "méchants".

Bref, sur un jeu dont le système est entièrement mathématique à quoi vous attendez-vous, en fait ?

Mathematics?
Well, let's talk about it then. Have you ever seen mathematics that was flawed? Mathematics is the basis for reflecting reality, isn't it?
Sincerely....

ADRIEN-39: Mathématique ?
Ben parlons en alors, tu as déjà vu des mathématiques qui étaient faussées ? Une mathématique c’est la base pour refléter la réalité non ?
Allez sincèrement….

Distorted by what?