Prices are now free.
OK, we get it ;-(
However, is it permissible to harass a victim by sending them 100k offers in the hope that :

• they are distracted
• or their fingers are too big for their phone screen:
• or he's on public transport with vibrations that make his fingers tremble.
  Because if we validate these kinds of bogus proposals, what happens?
  Can we get the sale cancelled?
  Before, yes, because it was an impossible sale, but now that it's allowed to make quasi-donations of players, if I validate the 100 K, it's no longer an irregular sale and the buyer can say that the sale is valid.
  In conclusion, it would be good if the rules specified :
• if it's allowed to send hundreds of bogus offers in the hope that they'll be accepted from time to time?
• if you can retroactively cancel a sale that was validated by mistake?
  Here's an example of what we get... and if I'm not mistaken, I'm not the only one!

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You block the manager and that's it 🤷

That doesn't answer the question.
Yes, a posteriori you can block
But as a preventive measure you can't block everyone, so you can potentially receive this kind of offer at any time.

So the question isn't about the technical solution to avoid this a posteriori, the question is about having a clause in the rules that allows sanctions (unless, of course, the admins tell us that it's perfectly allowed to send out offers like that in the hope that they'll get through to a distracted person or a guy with too many fingers.

Alex-AJA: Tu bloques le manager et c'est tout 🤷

You can't block the manager until you've received a PM from him.
It would be a good improvement to be able to block from the moment you send a PM.

Magpie: Impossible de bloquer le manager tant que tu n'as pas reçu un MP de sa part.
Ce serait d'ailleurs une bonne amélioration à faire, de pouvoir bloquer à partir du moment où on envoie un MP

Interesting clarification that I didn't know.
So yes, Magpie, it's all the more useful if the rules say something about it.

myforsans: Précision intéressante que j'ignorais.
Donc oui Magpie ça rend d'autant plus utile que le règlement prévoit quelque chose

Personally, when this happens to me, I send a PM to formally notify the manager to stop these offers.
If the manager is stubborn, I'm free to contact an admin, who can issue a formal notice to stop these offers (which become provocations because the manager is stubborn).
So from the moment you ignore an admin's injunctions, you become liable to punishment. At least I think so.

But it does give the admins a lot of 'rubbish' work, so a better solution needs to be found.

Yes, a dissuasive penalty would be effective in preventing or at least limiting unnecessary work for admins.

No, harassment is not permitted.
Please contact an administrator in such cases.

I may have found a trick for blocking a manager from whom we haven't received a PM, here's the http address for blocking, without the spaces you'll have understood: https: //www .virtuafoot.com/ #messages?blocked&block= 366078 (that's my ID)

Just insert the club ID and it's blocked!

Anyway, I don't know if it works!

The manager posted here supports me in mp, the fact that this is only the first offer he has sent you in this way )

Well, we're not going to argue, but

1. it's obviously not true
2. supposing it is true, the real question is what was the purpose of this (supposedly unique) offer?

It's up to everyone to make up their own minds

I personally have no opinion on the subject.
He is complaining about being posted on the Vforum for no reason, attesting that this is his first offer.
And that your false accusation against him deserves to be punished.
In view of his swift request for punishment, I'm led to believe that there's a history between you.
I'm not really interested in your trivia.
So all I'm asking is that you don't post a club like that, especially as it doesn't add VA to your post and your request.
And then I gave you a solution if it happens again.
At my level, I've done what I had to do.
So that's the end of the matter as far as I'm concerned.

OK so my question is (regardless of the example cited):
Could the rules stipulate that an obviously bogus transfer proposal (although legal because any player can be sold for 100k) made in the hope of a mistake or distraction by the recipient is prohibited whether it is isolated or repeated, the penalty then being at the admins' discretion of course (it's up to them to assess whether it was done accidentally or with malicious intent).

Remember that when transfers were regulated, there was a big scandal with clever little people confusing low-price sales with paying loans.

Furthermore, if harassment consisting of repeating offers x times to the same club is forbidden, what if I send a single isolated offer to 300 clubs in the hope that one of the lot will fail to respond?
My offer is isolated at club level, so I won't have harassed anyone: one message per recipient, but I've made an isolated offer to 300 clubs.
In short, a form of phishing?

Ignorance.......ca also works.

myforsans: Les prix sont maintenant libres.
Bon, on a compris ;-(
Pour autant est-ce autorisé de faire du harcèlement en envoyant des offres à 100 k à une victime en espérant que :

• soit, il soi distrait
• soit, il ait de trop gros doigts par rapport à son écran de téléphone :
• soit, il soit dans les transports en commun avec des vibrations qui fassent trembler ses doigts
  Parce que si on valide ce genre de propositions bidon, il se passe quoi ?
  On peut faire annuler la vente ?
  Avant oui car c'était u...

Make counter-offers at 150m...it calms them down straight away and they don't come back...and if they accept lower bids, all the better...

There's no need to overload the rules: if the intention is to take advantage of a mistake to get a player at a low price, that's enough to cancel the transfer.

The more rules you write, the more dishonest people will use them to see what is not written as an open door.

Myforsans looking like the bad guy when he's getting this kind of offer... and he deserves to be punished... we're walking on our heads.
This manager may only have made one offer to Myforsans, but has he made other offers of this type to other managers?

Managers like this who make 100ke offers know exactly what they're doing. They're just hoping for a false move from the recipient and a purchase that just goes through. It's already happened to a lot of people who've validated the wrong answer on the app from a mobile phone.
The problem is that before, if there was a mistake, you could have the transfer cancelled because at 100ke the offer wasn't legal. Now, a manager who snags a player like that by posting 100 bids at 100 euros if one goes through can always say "oh no, there's no transfer price anymore, I'm keeping him, I'm within the law".

Does that make sense?

I'm all for tattling on vforum. Once again, the accused can complain.
Like a rapist who manages to get a raped woman to take the blame.

Magpie: Impossible de bloquer le manager tant que tu n'as pas reçu un MP de sa part.
Ce serait d'ailleurs une bonne amélioration à faire, de pouvoir bloquer à partir du moment où on envoie un MP

Yes, or even declare certain players 'untransferable', which would prevent bids from being sent in.

Galywat: Oui, ou même déclarer "intransférable" certains joueurs ce qui bloquerait l'envoi d'offre sur les joueurs en question.

Of course, but if you want to be sure of never receiving this type of bogus offer, you'd have to declare your entire squad untransferable.
Furthermore, how do you distinguish between players who you declare untransferable and those who you declare untransferable for less than a sum you consider derisory?
If this morning's bidder had offered me 100m instead of 100k, I wouldn't have given the same answer :) :) :)

So if I summarise all of this, the admins don't want to touch the rules (which unfortunately implies that as it's not banned it's potentially authorised) and they simply want private denunciations which they will then deal with on a case-by-case basis depending on the recurrence of the practice. by the bidder.
OK, no worries, it's noted, the next person who sends me this kind of offer is warned and will be entitled to a private denunciation.

Harcèlement qui en est pas au final ....le pauvre monsieur qui a fait une seule offre ....après 100k ou 100 m peur on parler offre bidon vue que ce joueur peut se vendre 0
I'm going to go and get some popcorn, it's really a confusing subject.

Vla that the Blagoje gets angry on all topics today ... It's good, it finally makes it human ^^

Blagoje is right
Stop criticising or accusing the administrators of doing nothing
It's really heavy

What a shame to post this kind of question on the VForum. Wouldn't a PM to the admins have been more effective (and less controversial)?

Don't get us wrong: long live the free VForum.
However, given the current season and its share of controversy and passion, shouldn't we be showing our support for the admins by starting to respect them, their time and their prerogatives?

With all due respect to myforsans, I'd expect a little more judgement from a member as assiduous and well-versed in Vfian jousting as yourself. Unless you're deliberately trying to stir things up, I find it hard to understand the point of this public move.

Let's not forbid ourselves from posting, but let's think a little more about the consequences of such topics: low impact, high potential for discord.

"It's time to grow up!

• Hubert Bonnisseur de la Bath

michbou: Blagoje à raison
Cesser de critiquer Ou accuser les administrateurs de Rien faire
C'est vraiment lourd

Yeah, especially as Blago only does anything on the pitch, not even capable of finishing 1st in D4 😜😘

Drezzo35: Ouais surtout que le blago y a que sur le terrain qu'il fou rien, même pas capable de finir 1er de D4 😜😘

Ouch, this is going to end up as an "exile interview" at this rate! 😂

How does it feel to leave a transfer request unanswered? Is it cancelled after a certain time?
If you don't want to make a mistake, why not have it automatically deleted after 48hrs 😉