I'm writing here because the administrator has blacklisted me and I have no other way of expressing my point of view. My intention is not to create a controversy, but simply to share my feelings.

The sale in question: #forum?topic=167701

This sale was followed by a challenge from Deck, who believes that it exceeded the cut-off time of 20:00:59. His comment in response to my offer makes this clear.

This purchase was crucial to the building of my team. Like many, I wanted to place my bid at the last second. I had my doubts about the exact time, so I consulted the rules. The sale was too important for me.

The rules stipulate the following:

As I hardly ever attend sales on the vForum (once every two years at the most), I naturally relied on the rules, which state that the auction ends at 20:00:59 or are at least unclear on this point.

Morten, on the other hand, considers that the usual limit is 20:00. But between usage and the official text, it seems clear to me that the rule takes precedence.

What's more, Socrate and Jeff have confirmed my interpretation: according to them, I was well within my rights to place a bid at 20:00:58. Perhaps my reading of the rules is questionable, and I don't deny it. But if we refer solely to the text, my bid remains legitimate.

What I don't understand is Morten's reaction, and especially the way he handled the situation. I've always been cordial in our exchanges, yet I've received responses in a tone that's more than threatening.

I'm aware that this post could lead to my account being banned. However, all I'm asking for is a fair trial, just like the other players.

Enjoy the game.

It's true that the rules aren't completely clear on this subject, because 8pm isn't 7.59pm and 59 seconds. We'll have to clarify this in the future, but it's also true that I don't understand why one admin validated and the other refused, it's a shame there are different opinions, which is why it's so important to have clear, precise rules. Now Morten has made the final decision, you have to accept it, even if you don't like it.
Good evening to you.

Uzzego27: Il est vrai que le règlement n’est pas tout à fait clair à ce sujet car 20h00 c’est pas 19h59 et 59 secondes il faudrait le préciser à l’avenir, après c’est vrai que je ne comprends pas pourquoi il y a eu la validation d’un admin et le refus de l’autre, c’est dommage qu’il y est plusieurs son de cloches d’où l’importance d’un règlement clair et précis. Maintenant Morten a prit la décision finale il faut l’accepter même si elle ne t’est pas favorable.
Bonne so

So you think an admin can go against the rules?
So a policeman can put you in prison for an arbitrary reason?
All I'm asking for is justice, nothing more. I simply think that doubt should at least benefit me while I'm being treated like a guilty person.
I'm fully aware that an administrator's job is complicated. But I haven't broken any of the rules, so I don't understand the penalty.

Teddy: Donc tu considère qu'un admin peu aller contre son règlement ?
Un policier peut donc te mettre en prison pour un motif arbitraire ?
Je ne demande que justice rien de plus. Je pense simplement que le doute devrais à minima me profiter alors que je suis traité comme un coupable.
Je suis pleinement conscient que le travail d'administrateur est compliqué. Mais je n'ai fais aucune infraction au règlement donc je ne comprends pas la sanction.

As a policeman, I'd tell you that no, we apply the law to all arrests, but it's the prosecutors and magistrates who decide on the sentence and in this case the admins are in a way those people, they're the ones who regulate the game to help A45, it's like when I lost my two guards due to a mistake, Morten told me it was impossible to put them back and I had to accept it against my will. But when you talk about sanctions, do you mean cancelling your transfer?

Yes, the admins agreed with me and validated the transfer.
Two admins validated it but for morten the rules are clear. I made my offer out of time.
You know very well that in a court of law, doubt is cast on the accused. If it had been a law, I wouldn't have needed a lawyer at 50k an hour.

Thanks for taking me away from the admins who "support you"

You asked me if your offer was good, I told you NO, I wrote it on the Vforum, I contacted Grissais to tell him that Deck had won the auction, I contacted Deck to tell him that he had won the auction. You sent me 20 mp for a story about whether or not it was a second. I told you if it went to another admin and he overruled my decision I wouldn't oppose it, which was done on our discord so I went back on my decision, full stop.
So don't say I'm validating your interpretation of the rules or whatever.
Now Morten has decided to follow my first decision, and I wouldn't object to that either

So I'd like to thank you for not quoting me in your argument to boost your claim.

PS: I'm taking the initiative of crossing out my nickname from your initial post very clearly.

And whether you're Jex or Fym, I don't give a fuck, my decision would have been the same for someone else, so stop victimising yourself for nothing.

You contacted each of the parties yourself and finally validated my offer.

Our point of disagreement was the rules and then the time.
When you saw the rules you told me about the time.
I provided you with proof that the time was well before 20:01 at your request.

That you accept morten's decision is one thing now, our discussions don't show your disagreement.
What's more, I don't publish private conversations. Je suis le règlement la dessus. Thank you for doing the same.

So 8:02pm you say no good, 10:02pm you say good and now no good...

Morten explained it clearly. Since these transfers have been carried out under this rule, the auction end time for an auction ending at 8pm is 8:00pm. This is the rule that has always applied to all auctions that have taken place via the forum. And you come along, with your own personal reading of the rules, to explain to us that when the auction ends at 8pm, it actually ends at 8:00pm:59pm.

The root of the problem is still the same. As usual, you wanted to play with the limits of the rules, to show that you were smarter than him and than those who did it. You did it with the players in the store. You did it with the individual training sessions. You did it with the finances to duplicate money.

If I'd done half a quarter of that, and Aymeric had still accepted me on his game, I'd be scared to death. But here you are, lecturing the admins and playing the victim. What an indignity.

And finally, if you really feel that some people on this game don't have you right... That's the rebalancing. And you didn't steal this one.

At least things have been said, so the balance has been restored.

Out of all the vfo sales, you're the only one to have tried to do this.
But of course it's because you're fym or jex that you're persecuted

kakarot: Sur toutes les ventes du vfo tu est le seul a avoir essayé de faire cela.
Mais bon bien évidemment c’est parce que tu es fym ou jex qu on te persécute

I know that in any case what I'm going to do is going to be challenged, so I'm looking at the rules and simply the rules. You all talk about what suits you, but basically none of you is telling me that I'm not respecting the rules. After all, I'm probably the only one who reads them ....

kakarot: Sur toutes les ventes du vfo tu est le seul a avoir essayé de faire cela.
Mais bon bien évidemment c’est parce que tu es fym ou jex qu on te persécute

By the way, the deck offer is one minute early, so I don't think I'm the only one aiming for the last minute.

Here's my long, and only, answer.

I admit that I'm not a fan of the vfo auction system and that it can be abused.

But for me and I think for the majority of VFs, when I read "end 8pm" I imagine that the last acceptable bid must be 7:59:59pm.

The admins weren't twisted enough to put seconds, tenths, hundredths etc in the rules...

However, I can't see anyone sensible putting an end at 20:00:59... the time is the time, and after the time it's no longer the time?

But as usual, if there's a way around the rules, you're never far away.

As your offer appeared on my screen at 8.01pm, I took the liberty of asking Socrate for his opinion. It was the only thing I did.

Socrate saw, awarded me the sale and that was that.

Then you managed to change his mind with a PM.

Socrate told me the news, a bit surprised but I accepted, something you obviously can't do.

At the same time I received a dose of snide PMs from you to tell me that you'd succeeded.

And I didn't ask for anything more, I didn't go to any other admin's PM.

Morten then went back on his decision (I didn't ask for anything!), citing previous cases.

I hadn't even read Morten's PM when I already had your wave of PMs waiting for me, apparently with my dishonesty... (I repeat, I DIDN'T ASK FOR ANYTHING)

Seeing as how this story is close to your heart and has ruined your Sunday evening, I really think that for any other manager I would have said "it's fine, leave him alone" but frankly I must have received 20mps, I imagine that the admins and the seller must have taken the same rate and you're back with a vforum post... so we'll listen to the admins' decision.

Besides, if you're so keen on the rules, VVOYZEY doesn't exist and 81 I don't know if they're billions or potatoes 😏

I've no doubt that you'll be able to place your next bids at 7:59:59:99:99:99 with the help of a macro

I'll take the liberty of returning the kiss you offered the CP after "winning" the auction.
So kiss the fym 😘

What is this topic doing in player transfers?
Isn't it more a project to improve the rules?

As a personal opinion, in view of the pleadings, which are very boring to read, coupled with a potentially grey area (even if the usage is different and clear), I tend to agree with the admins' actions :D. There's nothing funny about considering a grey area as illegal. In fact, it's with topics like this that we're creating more and more complex rules, at the risk of contradicting each other at times (cuckoo national assembly)

I invite you to reread my private messages, which are in no way snide. It is you who has interpreted their tone in your own way, and I authorise you to publish them if you wish.

As for my remark to CP, it was simply friendly, especially after you humorously reminded me that I was a cheat. Nothing really mean.

But, like others before you, you didn't respond to the fact that, according to the rules, my offer was perfectly legitimate.

At no point did I accuse you of anything, Deck. I simply pointed out that you were aware of the 20:01 rule, given your quick reaction to my offer. So I only asked you to be honest and acknowledge that my offer was valid.

Was I incorrect in my private messages?

I'm simply asking that the rules be respected. I'm not trying to take advantage of anything... I'm simply reading the rules and complying with them. If I'd posted my offer at 7:59pm and yours had been the last at 8pm, as specified in the rules, I'd probably have grumbled, but I'd have accepted.

seblelionnais: Hum, que fait ce topic dans transferts de joueurs?
C'est pas plutot un projet d'amélioration du règlement?

A titre d'avis perso, au vue de la plaidoirie à charge et bien chiante à lire, couplée à une zone potentiellement grise (même si l'usage est autre et clair), je suis plutot d'accord avec les actions des admins :D. Il n'y a rien de déconnant à considérer une zone grise comme illégale. D'ailleurs c'est avec des topics comme ça qu'on fait de plus en plus de règles complexes, au r

Have you read the rules?

In short, I've said what I had to say.

Well, once Socrate goes, then deck and then kakarot.
I haven't seen Teddy mention it once.
Let go of the fym, right? What's she got to do with it? And deck continues to cause our respective agreements you maintain the link

Teddy: J’écris ici car l’administrateur m’a blacklisté, et je n’ai plus d’autre moyen d’exprimer mon point de vue. Mon intention n’est pas de créer une polémique, mais simplement de partager mon ressenti.

La vente en question : #forum?topic=167701

Cette vente a été suivie d’une contestation par Deck, qui estime qu’elle a dépassé l’heure limite de 20h00:59. Son commentaire en réponse à mon offre le montre clairement.

Cet achat était crucial po

To answer your question, I didn't blacklist you. I just temporarily blocked your inbox last night to avoid waking up this morning with 50 messages to read. We exchanged a lot of messages last night, bordering on harassment, so you had the opportunity to share your feelings. What's more, it was you who came looking for me to decide on a situation of which I was unaware, and I decided. And since the final decision didn't go the way you wanted, you're posting here to create controversy. I'd also like to point out that there was no sanction, just the cancellation of the transfer.

Now let's talk about the rules: "End of the auction: in the event of a bid on the gong, it is not possible to move the auction back. For example: if the auction ends at 10pm, the last bidder to post at 10pm will be selected. A bid at 10.01pm will lapse

What does this mean? That the deadline is 10pm (or 8pm in your case). When we say that it's 10pm, it means that it's 22:00:00 on the dot. After that time, the bid will lapse. When it says: "A bid at 22:01 will lapse", this does not mean that the gong is at 20:00:59. It just means that at 20:00:01 we are already into the next minute and that the bid will therefore lapse. As the saying goes: "Before the hour is not the hour, after the hour is not the hour" Let's be clear, since these rules were revised, the rules have always been applied this way and will continue to be. Contrary to what I've read, the final outcome wasn't a foregone conclusion because of your membership of the Fym. If you had been in deck's shoes, you would have won the case. I've always tried to be fair in my decisions, regardless of the manager in front of me or whether he belongs to a particular cartel or not.

I'd also like to remind you of another point in the rules, which is in bold for the moment: "The bidder must clearly indicate the amount of the bid. Example: "60 M for Player X". To indicate for example "+1 M" is not accepted and renders the bid null and void."

This means that for the auction to be valid, you must clearly indicate the amount "60 M for Player X", which you did not do. You wrote: "Vvoyzey81". On this aspect of the rules alone, your bid is invalid. So now we're going to stop here, a decision has been made, please accept it and move on. Topic closed.