LincolnHawk |
5 month agoGood evening,
First of all, if this subject has already been dealt with recently, I apologise to the moderators who have other things to do 😊
I wanted to draw attention to the hundreds of potential 17/18 year old 55/74s that exist on VF, that are part of the daily auctions, but that nobody wants any more and that sometimes go for a handful of dollars and often find no takers. For example, I've just bought an 18-year-old pot75, who will certainly make an average player, but who only cost me 2.6M whereas when I started it was worth 150M (it wasn't better before, don't make me say what I didn't say ^^ it's normal for the game to evolve). The 75/85 range in potential is what everyone is looking for, even level 1s via the vf store and there are more and more of them.
I think, but maybe I'm wrong, I haven't done any research on the subject, that nobody, or almost nobody, has a team made up of 17-year-olds with 60-65 potential, for example. These small potentials are there, they come out of the cdf in many cdf, but they are not used. Doesn't that make sense? Why not make the most of them by getting them out of the CDF with already 25 years of age, for example? or a curve that goes down to 25/26 years? or something else, I don't know. It's up to the owner to try and turn them into decent players. Wouldn't that rekindle interest in these unloved VF players and also rekindle the bidding, not to mention all the offers from the scout who gets sacked because the player has less than 75 potential? Wouldn't a 65/70 team with an average rating of 85, with all the new things we've brought them, look better than a team I see all the time in IE with an overall rating of 97/99 and 80/84 potential players that everyone ends up with?
And then, if I come back to VF in 10 years' time, will I see 130/150 potential players? I've seen a 16/17 year old pot 90 in the past, where is that going to stop? is it still realistic?
I don't know if it's feasible, I don't even know if my reasoning holds water (I'm not a VF enthusiast and far from knowing all the subtleties), it was just an idea I had, but I just thought it was a shame to see all these young players no longer valued. Why not do away with them altogether if nobody uses them?
What do you think?
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Bossart |
5 month agoYou're right that there's a big problem with auctions at the moment, there are very few transactions and if there are, the players aren't really going for their fair market value. Why is that a good question? Aren't the managers trying to train more youngsters at the moment and increase the stamina of the players in order to have a sturdy team in the coming seasons due to the change in rules a few months ago? Then, as far as 17 and 18 year olds are concerned, the CDf models need to be reviewed in depth. Maybe it could be the clubs that choose the allocation points to give to the players before releasing them from the CDf. That would allow us to have players with a bit of potential when they leave the CDF. But the CDF should be a priority area for rapid reform.
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Blagoje Vidinic |
5 month agoHere's a counter-example to what you're saying: Corky02 FC... but I understand what you mean and I'm not far from agreeing with you on certain points.
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Arazosv |
5 month agoIn my opinion, there are too many cdf releases, which means that the high-potential market is relatively low, benefiting new players to the detriment of lower-potential players
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Sun's |
5 month agoAfter that, you have to differentiate between the CB club boosters and the more regular ones. Personally, up until level 3, I was quite happy to get potential 58/62s that weren't too expensive
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Ritter |
5 month agoEffectivement je le constate quand tu a des potentiels plus de 80 a 20 m a 18 ans cela et pas trop normal ce joueur devrait partir dans les 50 m minimum. After I agree with you, the transfer market, especially the auction part, is totally counterproductive compared to the normal transfer market. They impose rules on you that don't work in auctions. When I see level 3 or 4 clubs manage to get youngsters under 20 with potential of 75 and you've been in the game for 4 years and you've only just managed to get them, there's a problem. After that I understand that those who do CB to improve the club make virtua progress but enough is enough.
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Demi-cerveau |
5 month agoRitter: Effectivement je le constate quand tu a des potentiels plus de 80 a 20 m a 18 ans cela et pas trop normal ce joueur devrait partir dans les 50 m minimum. Après je te rejoins le marché des transferts surtout partie enchère et totalement contre productif comparé au marché des transferts normal. On t inpose des règles qui ne font pas fois au enchères. Quand je vois des clubs de niveau 3 voir 4 arrive a avoir des jeune de moins de 20 ans avec des potentiels au déçu de 75 et que toi ça fait
I haven't understood everything, but what's stopping you from trying to go on the auction market yourself, to take these players who don't cost anything and who clubs that have been in existence for 3 or 4 months manage to get back?
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Ritter |
5 month agoThere's nothing stopping me but when I started playing it was impossible for newcomers to do this now it's much easier to have this potential and I think a newcomer would have a harder time than I did when I started
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Demi-cerveau |
5 month agoWhen you started playing, I don't know. I started a little over a year later. And what I can tell you is that in those days you could make a fortune buying and selling much more easily than today, because there was a lot more activity on the market. Of course, prices weren't the same. I think each era had its advantages and disadvantages.
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k3vin59218 |
5 month agoAfter all, there is a time to buy at auction and a time to sell
For some seasons now, I've been buying at the right time and selling for much more, but at their true value after training
It takes time because I've 'only' been playing for over a year now and my level is slightly higher, but you just have to choose your players carefully
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LincolnHawk |
5 month agoBlagoje Vidinic: Voilà un contre exemple de ce que tu avances : Corky02 FC... mais je comprends ce que tu veux dire et ne suis pas loin de te rejoindre sur certains points.
It's a good example, but the problem is that in pure market value, his team is worth almost nothing, 5M at most... He would have taken a team of free agents, that it would be worth the same price. It's great for getting his hands on the squad, but that's all. But you could imagine that from CDF level 5 onwards, these 55/70 pot players could be valued by increasing one of their characteristics when they leave the CDF and thus interest more people in bidding, for trainers and those who have the time and drive to turn a team of "low potentials" into a drinkable and more bankable team, especially at the final resale (when the player's curve no longer evolves). After all, personally, I don't need these low potentials, who aren't really of much use to anyone, but I think there's something to be done to get people more interested in them and to develop the spirit of challenge in certain vfiens ^^
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Blagoje Vidinic |
5 month agoIn my opinion, the objective is not resale but the formation of a team capable of playing correctly and without having to be ashamed in divisions 3, 4, etc. of the championships.
By focusing on a particular style of play, for example, you can produce something interesting even with little potential.
It's also a good way to get to grips with the game, to try out a few tricks, and it doesn't cost much.
Nevertheless, your idea is an interesting one.
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Mide |
5 month agoRitter: Effectivement je le constate quand tu a des potentiels plus de 80 a 20 m a 18 ans cela et pas trop normal ce joueur devrait partir dans les 50 m minimum. Après je te rejoins le marché des transferts surtout partie enchère et totalement contre productif comparé au marché des transferts normal. On t inpose des règles qui ne font pas fois au enchères. Quand je vois des clubs de niveau 3 voir 4 arrive a avoir des jeune de moins de 20 ans avec des potentiels au déçu de 75 et que toi ça fait
What does CB mean ?
Sun's |
5 month agoMide: What does CB mean ?
Banque card , or use irl money in LV1 for maybe having 100...200m
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Sun's |
5 month agoLincolnHawk: C’est un bel exemple, mais le problème c’est qu’en valeur marchande pure, son équipe ne vaut quasiment rien, 5M tout au plus...Il aurait pris une équipe de libres, que ça vaudrait le même prix. C'est super pour ce faire la main sur la formation, mais c’est tout. Alors qu’on pourrait imaginer qu’à partir du CDF nivo 5, ces joueurs pot 55/70 pourraient être valoriser en augmentant une de leurs caractéristiques à leurs sorties du CDF et ainsi intéressé plus de gens aux enchè
If he manages to get all these people up to 60/65 gen, he could have peace of mind until lv5 or even 6 without having to pay too much, because most of the time LV1s take players who may have a high general... but who are close to retirement
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Aglacis |
5 month agoPlop j'ajoute mon petit mot a dire (oui je sais jsuis chiant xD)
Personally around s130 + or - I saw red and sold all my staff to the limit of stopped the game.
Then, seeing the money coming in, I thought it would be stupid to stop when I had enough to up 2 or 3 levels of cdf 10, I had decided to play full free but .. it was still not very motivating to play full friendly with full free lol)
From there I had 2 options: either reclaim everything to have a high NG squad (even more than what I had before I sold everything) OR... start from 0 and just build an average A team as low-cost as possible for a minimum of competition on the one hand and on the other hand, still with the aim of keeping as much money as possible for the last 2 lvl of the club that I lacked to have the infra all the way, well ... for the B, get the youngsters out of the cdf and train them ^^.
La ou je veux en venir c'est que je me suis dit que vu que le marché des transferts les prix sont bien trop élevés pour moi bin je me tourne vers mes détection et mes jeunes et ... ma B petit a petit arrive pour la plupart des joueurs a la fin de la formation de pot de cdf8 sa mine de rien sa reste honnête ! bien sur pas au point de potentiel cdf 10 c'est sur mais ... un exemple chez moi, ce joueur C. Cincotta pot 64 actuellement ng 70 avec un petit peu + de 4 d'xp individuel. sa dépannera bien en attendant que mes jeunes issue du cdf9 et se formentent et la même apres pour le cdf10. jdis pas que j'attendrais le sommet VFien mais je pense qu'a terme jmrais j'en sortirai pas trop mal avec les moyens du bord et n'ayant vraiment pas plusieurs milliard de thune sur le compte bancaire du club a la banque populaire VFienne lol
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Ritter |
5 month agoAglacis: Plop j'ajoute mon petit mot a dire (oui je sais jsuis chiant xD)
Personnellement a vers la s130 + ou - j'ai vu rouge et revendu tout mon effectif a la limite de stoppé le jeu.
Puis, voyant le fric arrivé je me suis dit se serait tout de même con de stoppé alors que j'avais de quoi up 2 ou 3 niv de cdf 10 , j'avais décidé de jouer full libre mais .. c'était tout de même pas tres motivant de joué full amical avec full libre lol)De la j'avais 2 options soit tout reclaquer pour avoir
You've really got the right idea, but you need to realise that to find potential buyers of 80 or more you need a bit of time to detect them.
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Aglacis |
5 month agothen ... the problem does not come from the time spent to the detection xD the problem comes that ... I have only one cdf 9 lol jsuppose that on dla mega chance of super sayen the pot 80 is possibly possible. But just out of question to spend my life to skim the detections xD I need x profile, I know the bracket of pot + or - valid, so as it is found I stop, jvais not to get hard on a thing only dependent on the rng ... yes the more you detect and you have more chance over the season to find one. Am I going to do it? No, I refuse to have an irl chronometer above my head set to every 6 h and the result is unpredictable lol.
From my level of cdf a pot 80 is equivalent to ... what pot 83 /84 for a cdf 10? I detected since I am on the game or almost and not that a little, its every season and I just never had the chance to find a profile like that has potential equivalent to my level of cdf at the moment so good ... lol
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Sun's |
5 month agoAglacis: alors ... le problème ne vient pas du temps passé a la détection xD le problème vient que ... je n'ai que un cdf 9 lol jsuppose que sur dla méga chance de super sayen le pot 80 est éventuellement possible. Mais juste hors de question de passé ma vie a écumé les détections xD j'ai besoin de x profil, je connais la tranche de pot + ou - valable, donc des que c'est trouvé je stop, jvais pas m'acharner sur un truc uniquement dépendant dla rng ... oui plus tu détecte et plus tu a
The potential ranges have narrowed since last season, like a 74 at lvl8 ... just gives a 78 for cdf10
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Daniel Leclercq |
5 month agoI quite agree with what's been said, it's great fun to get to grips with small potentials and, as I said, we need to make the most of small potentials that aren't used at all and aren't worth anything. I don't have any solution to make it interesting to play but why not try to make it attractive?
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