I have the impression that since yesterday, players with little stamina are losing more physical fitness than usual. On a friendly match with everyone at almost 100%, they're all between 40 and 50 at the end of the match, whereas before they were between 50 and 60. Have you noticed that too?

As Aymeric announced during the discord evening, endurance will now be more important than before.

Just like the old days, I think.

As far as I'm concerned, it was already in place, so this would be an even bigger readjustment?

I didn't notice anything different about my match yesterday

Idem nothing abnormal I play at the moment and it is identical to usual to see..

where have you been
Rihanna 😅

Blagoje Vidinic: Je n'ai rien remarqué de différent sur mon match d'hier ; la fatigue de mes joueurs est comparable à celle des jours précédents.
Il y a des matchs où l'équipe est plus impactée. Pour ma part c'était le 24/10 avec des pertes entre 42 et 57% (au lieu de 36-50%).

In that case, maybe the fact that the other side is playing aggressively is tiring your players out more (which wouldn't be a bad thing)
Thanks for your feedback 👍

50 endu
I never go over 20% physical in a match

EckozZ: 50 endu
Je dépasse jamais plus de 20% de physique en match

You have players like Hulk.
Do they play football or throw weights?
🫠i want to play a game...

It's all in the title, if you gain weight you lose stamina

wildzap: Tout est dans le titre, si on prend du poids on perd de l'endurance ;)

haha
https://x.com/nocontextfooty/status/1851289553719705646?t=6b-7-KCT5EWH0Q93iF_PkQ&s=19
hahaha

zejl: Dans ce cas peut être que le fait qu en face ça joue agressif fatigue plus tes joueurs (ce qui ne serait pas déconnant)
Merci pour vos retours 👍

Personally, I've got players today who've lost 60% of their strength over the match, with between 15 and 20 in strength stat. That's a lot, especially as they won't have recovered in 2 days. That's a lot more than before, and maybe a bit much all at once

Winter is coming
sorry
Season gonna start so... Lets break some legs 😅

Nothing to report
My players even lost less than in previous matches
No fantasy "update

How about thinking about instructions, which can influence fatigue in matches?

RAS either
I even manage to do it every day with two youngsters aged 30 and over 😉

Magpie: Rien à signaler
Mes joueurs ont même perdu moins que les matchs précédents
Pas de "mise à jour" fantasmée

Et si vous pensiez aux consignes, qui peuvent influer sur la fatigue en match ?

I think a lot of people think that Aymeric spends his weeks tweaking the endurance and physical parameters. Given that almost every day, you can read in a mini chat, forum or discord that he's 'tweaked something'.

Like you, I can't see any profound changes.

I've also noticed a drop

zejl: J ai l'impression que depuis hier les joueurs avec peu d endurance perdent plus de physique que d'habitude, sur un amical avec tout le monde a presque 100% ils sont tous entre 40 et 50 a la fin du match alors qu avant ils étaient plutôt entre 50 et 60, vous avez aussi remarqué ça ?

As far as I'm concerned, I lost 10% more than usual in tonight's match and for someone with stamina...

I surrounded the players with my last 4 full matches, gnanou, frankowski, kellett and Andres Martin. There was a big increase between the 26th and 28th. And another one on yesterday's match. I don't mind that a set point increased fatigue (personally I didn't change my set point, maybe my opponent had an influence 🤷 ). And even my keeper, who plays every day, has a similar increase. I find it hard to believe that it's chance
image](https://i.imgur.com/hVhnk0C.jpeg)

Yes, there's clearly been a slight increase in the loss of body weight
It remains to be seen whether this is temporary or permanent

Zeus: Oui clairement il y a une petite augmentation de la perte en physique
A voir si c'est temporaire ou definitif

Well then, how do you explain those who have a drop in fatigue altogether?
If there had been an increase, it would have been across the board...

it's not just a question of now, sometimes some people get a rise, while others don't, and in other periods it'll be the other way round

I can't see that there was an increase in fatigue.
You can believe that the scale is tweaked every day or whatever, but I think it's more possible that the level of fatigue depends on other elements. Yes, players with higher endurance will tire less than those with lower in the same match if they play same amount, but in some matches the whole team could tire more.

I always play high pressing, balanced / neutral, i.e. normal and always use short passes tactics, so it doesn't affect fatigue levels as I never change and yet I can sometimes see a significant difference in fatigue levels when comparing matches where they played same amount of minutes (sometimes only day apart).

Clamsii: ça ne date pas de maintenant des fois certains ont une hausse alors que pour d'autres non et dans une autres periode ça sera l'inverse

Yes, I'd add that it looks like a physical loss calculated on the basis of the player's stamina (fixed) by adding or subtracting a random part (which varies according to the matches but applies to all the players in the team).

On the other hand, I don't think there's any link whatsoever with our actions and instructions in matches.

Galywat: Oui j'ajouterai que ça ressemble à une perte physique calculée en fonction de l'endurance du joueur (fixe) en ajoutant ou retirant une part d'aleatoire (qui varie elle en fonction des matchs mais valable pour tous les joueurs de l'équipe).

Par contre je ne crois pas qu'il y ait un quelconque lien avec nos actions/consignes en matchs.

Hi Galywat!

IF, in audio #2, Aymeric confirmed that certain instructions increased fatigue in matches. He mentioned some of them. I've tested it, and I can see what he said. But maybe we haven't discovered everything yet.
So I put forward the idea of a 'preservation mode' (#forum?topic=164648), which Aymeric unfortunately rejected

In short, I repeat, I don't think there has been an 'update'. Only instructions, I think

Maybe so.

Nevertheless, I maintain that there's a degree of randomness, plus or minus. When I follow my friendlies without changing any instructions whatsoever, I have variations of a few % (more or less) around a 'fixed' value of physical loss.

Magpie: Eh bien dans ce cas, comment tu expliques ceux qui ont carrément une baisse de fatigue ?
S'il y'avait eu augmentation, elle serait générale voyons...

Maybe it's the instructions I used, because it's true that last game I attacked like a pig!
So see you in the future!

Magpie: Eh bien dans ce cas, comment tu expliques ceux qui ont carrément une baisse de fatigue ?
S'il y'avait eu augmentation, elle serait générale voyons...

For my part, I had a spike about 10 days ago before it went back down to the usual level, so maybe it's linked..

2 players big stamina

Three for the road?
image](https://i.imgur.com/eEJqaRt.jpeg)

Galywat: Peut-être alors effectivement.

Il n'empêche je maintiens cette part d'aleatoire en plus ou en moins. Quand j'enchaîne mes amicaux sans modifier quelque consigne que ce soit j'ai des variations de quelques % (en plus ou en moins) autour d'une valeur "fixe" de perte physique.

i noticed some time ago when I was riding my young endurance riders that we had a range of physical losses

I don't see any change on my personal marathoners.
It's still just as hot under the sun 😇

Magpie: Eh bien dans ce cas, comment tu expliques ceux qui ont carrément une baisse de fatigue ?
S'il y'avait eu augmentation, elle serait générale voyons...

Substitutions during the match... That's why I've only surrounded the players who played the whole match...

jeremy8131: Les remplacements en cours de match... C'est pour ça que j'ai entouré que ceux qui ont joué tout le match...

And I was talking about managers like me who get tired between games...
I wasn't making any connection with your image

Magpie: Et moi je te parlais des managers comme moi qui ont des baisses de fatigues entre leurs matchs...
Je ne faisais pas de rapport avec ton image

Sorry, I misunderstood. I didn't. But if half of VF see an increase and the others see nothing, it's going to be hard to know who's right 😅. Personally, I've noticed that my players have been struggling more over the last week, whether it's my A or my B, and they can't manage to recover from one game to the next. If it's to do with the instructions, they're not mine because I haven't had to change anything in the last few days. But a 10-15% variation is still a lot. We'll see as the season goes on...

I could be wrong, but it's more a problem of recovery time, which is longer, than match fatigue. Personally, I haven't seen any significant changes in terms of loss of fitness in matches, as opposed to the time it takes to get back to 100%.
Which is why I say that.

Yesterday really stung for my team mdr
image](https://i.imgur.com/ShTZSpB.jpeg)

so either the loss is totally random or there's a bug xD

Personally, my players have lost more fitness in recent days following matches against superior opponents. Today's match was very easy and there was less loss of fitness. Perhaps we should look into this?

3% more tired than usual.
J 1 a j22 ça va
1 day of league ie ect ...
D 23 at half time my team is drained.
Conclusion , ça va être la foire fouille ai rc lens59

• 9% in 6 days

Quite stable for me. (30 endu)

2 weeks ago my players were finishing around 60% over 90 minutes, now they're around 50%

Well, not at home, especially now that my match has just finished

18 endurance but 6 days ago it was still good.
A minus 9 (during the championships I think that's very nice)
That's not what I call a gradual change

But in any case, didn't Aymeric say in a previous live interview that endurance would become increasingly important as the seasons went on? It's just an application of what he said several months ago.

Balde 21 endurance

Nicc: Mais de toute façon aymeric n'avait pas annoncé lors d'un précédent live que l'endurance deviendrait de + en + importante au fil des saisons ? C'est juste une application de ce qu'il a dit il y a plusieurs mois.

I don't mind, but 56 is how many
So you need players with 40 stamina?
So my squad in the bin 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

Anyway, it's no use, I'm not the owner.
Enjoy the game

So what's the problem with Balde? He plays every other day without any problems, doesn't he?