bonjour j'aimerais avis du peuple vfiens sur ce mdm
I've been working nights for 15 days, from 2pm to 10pm. I manage my important matches via smartphone and I've never taken so many strange matches in 15 days.

the strange thing is that I put more chances to the opponent but or opponent plants 2 affiler see 3 affiler or a goal comes out of nowhere and the next day aligns my young team in any way and I put 5-0 without managing the match

so after 2 weeks I'm wondering whether we're still managing our matches via this mdm, whether there's a bug in the mdm or a random percentage that's too high

open this little debate to get your opinions and see if other manage think like me or have the same kind of crazy match often enough in 1 season

Good luck....

You may be on a scripted season, it happens, ask your colleague Ced90 who can't play this season in IS because of that.
The malus changes clubs every season, so wait until next season ✌🏻

Ah, an atypical topic that's different from the ordinary... Well, no, in the end it's just the same old sterile debates.

Skyz: T'es peut être sur une saison scripté ça arrive, demande au collègue Ced90 qui ne peut pas jouer cette saison en IS à cause de ça.
Le malus change de clubs chaque saison donc attend la saison prochaine ✌🏻

un saison scripter c'est chaud de dire ca moi qui est ca depuis 15jours
mais merci de ta reponse et tu passe que de malus de consigne qui apporte rien quand tu as +100 et adverse 0.5 et que tu fini part perd 1-0

I don't manage much anymore 🤭🫡🤫

Lebaygue: Ah un un topic atypique qui change de l ordinaire...Ah ben non,au final, toujours les mêmes avec les mêmes débats stériles.

And always the same people posting comments like this because they have nothing to contribute to the debate but still want to be noticed. 😁

I see you complaining all the time about your interview results... And you've been doing it for a lot longer than a fortnight... I'd say about 15 years...

Scripted seasons ... What you shouldn't read ... You're going a long way towards conspiracy. Like the game works differently, just for your team, just for one season ...

The mdm is the same for everyone, at the start of every match.

Personally, I'm sorry that some managers are complaining about the mdm when everyone is in the same boat. We've all lost 'easy' games and won improbable ones. Some people just find it hard to accept defeat, and maybe a breath of fresh air and a few good friends would help them to take a step back and put things into perspective.

I accept defeat because it makes the victories more palatable 😉

It's just that you're up against a bunch of thumbscrews - it's Virtuafoot and the thumbscrews are likely to get hooked on the game and put money down 😁

lens59: Je gère plus grand chose 🤭🫡🤫

It's the same for me 😂😂😂

Unfortunately, the persecution complex is widespread in this game.
Here's a message to the grumblers on duty: rather than trying to manage your team like Deschamps or Mourinho, manage your team like Einstein or Gauss would have done.

When you're managing your team in a match, you're not playing a football game that's changing from 4-3-3 to 4-5-2. You're simply playing a proba game whose algorithms aren't all that complex to understand when you think about it.

And remember too that when you have a one in 6 chance of rolling a 6 with a die, if you roll a 6 and you throw the die again you don't have a lesser chance of rolling a 6 but still a one in 6 chance, and after rolling a 6 twice you still have a one in 6 chance of rolling a 3rd 6 (I'm assuming that the die isn't loaded).

When you play a match on VF, assuming there's one result out of 10 that's a bit of an aberration (which is, frankly, a perfectly acceptable probability and no worse than in real life), over a season of 56 matches that gives you an average of 5 or 6 aberrant results and probably 40 or 45 normal ones and 5 or 10 lucky ones.
The problem is that you remember the aberrant results much more than the normal ones, but in the end there aren't that many.

And inevitably, all you see on the forum are messages from people complaining and moaning that they've been screwed over, but you'll hardly ever see anyone saying that they've won by a landslide.

I see that everyone likes this mdm and finds it normal, so sorry for the inconvenience to the VfM community.

sorry for this debate and good end of season to all

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I think it's one of the worst games I've seen.
The worst thing is the corrected ranking in my opinion, which shows you what "should" be normal, so you might as well remove it, it'll take away some of the frustration.
And to come back to the first message, I often have the same feeling, for example with a match where I try everything and I get nowhere, I'm forced to go off and I crash three times ... Go figure

Valenciano often complains, but it has to be said that this time he got 3-4 good carrots in a row. Sometimes it's good to share your frustration. :D

Lebaygue: Ah un un topic atypique qui change de l ordinaire...Ah ben non,au final, toujours les mêmes avec les mêmes débats stériles.

Finally, an answer that gets things moving... Oh no, another nasty tackle from a veteran...

We need to stop systematically complaining about everything in the public arena (the VForum, basically).
Yes, the MDM isn't always very coherent, yes, regression at 30 isn't great, yes, there are injuries that cut into our young people's training...

But really, at some point you're going to have to accept that, even if it's not ideal.

There are so many more essential things in life.

6francs72: C’est la même pour moi 😂😂😂

I forget to change my 11 to say

myforsans: Malheureusement le complexe de la persécution est très répandu sur ce jeu.
Message aux râleurs de service : plutôt que de vouloir gérer votre équipe comme un Deschamps ou un Mourinho, gérez votre équipe comme l'aurait fait Einstein ou Gauss.

Quand vous gérez votre équipe en match vous n'êtes pas sur un jeu de foot en train de passer de 4-3-3 à 4-5-2 mais vous êtes tout simplement sur un jeu de proba dont les algorithmes ne sont pas si complexes que ça à appréhender quand on réfléchit un peu....

After switching to 4-5-2, you've got one hell of an advantage... Or one hell of a disadvantage!

Mava14: Ah voilà enfin une réponse qui fait avancer les choses... Ah ben non encore un tacle méchant d'un coutumier du fait...

Lebaygue is like the doddering uncle at the family dinner, boring and no talent (especially on VF) but always there to do the entertaining.

What's more, it's the festive season and he's at his best 😄

seblelionnais: Après passer en 4-5-2, t'as un sacré avantage... Ou un sacré malus !

You have to think like Einstein said!

I think it's ridiculous to criticise Lebaygue. Here you are saying he's 'mean' or 'useless'. But for God's sake, accept that. Accept the little jibe. The little jab. The big jab.

Why should his post be ridiculous? More ridiculous than someone who constantly complains about a game he's still playing? More ridiculous than your cartel wars? More ridiculous than your constant cheating? More ridiculous than what?

Of course, he doesn't need me to defend himself and he never does (defend himself). But damn. It also feels good.
Freedom of expression, freedom of tone, without resorting to outrage or excess.

Thank you Lebaygue. For my part. Thank you, Lebaygue. Because at least sometimes you can have a laugh and a smile on this forum where there's a plethora of whining. In any case, I'm smiling.

seblelionnais: Après passer en 4-5-2, t'as un sacré avantage... Ou un sacré malus !

Yes, that's exactly what I meant, because some people use a loophole to play with 12 players.

I don't like this post, I'm asking for your opinion but I see that many people don't understand it and think that I'm still complaining, especially since it's been a while since I've said anything here on this post.

en outre on peut fermer ce post comme il ne sert a rien si vous pas donner votre avis sur ce mdm et pensez juste que me plainnant encore.
triste vforum on peut plus demander l'avis du peuple vfiens sans se faire traiter de pleurnicheur et malgre mais x carotte en 15 jours je continue juste vf pour la formation et mon entente sur ce bonne soiree comme aucun dialogue et possible ici

I've had the same problem with my youngsters over the last 5 games, all draws, even though we've been leading the whole match with chances, fortunately for me I'm in a training season.

myforsans: Malheureusement le complexe de la persécution est très répandu sur ce jeu.
Message aux râleurs de service : plutôt que de vouloir gérer votre équipe comme un Deschamps ou un Mourinho, gérez votre équipe comme l'aurait fait Einstein ou Gauss.

Quand vous gérez votre équipe en match vous n'êtes pas sur un jeu de foot en train de passer de 4-3-3 à 4-5-2 mais vous êtes tout simplement sur un jeu de proba dont les algorithmes ne sont pas si complexes que ça à appréhender quand on réfléchit un peu....

😂😂😂😂 magnificent words 😂😂😂😂

Generous bitch this season, come and get your share for free 😘

Fidel BBTG: P**ute généreuse cette saison, passez prendre votre part c'est gratuit 😘

It's complicated 😂😂😂

VALENCIANO: en outre on peux fermer ce post comme il ne sert a rien si vous donner pas votre avis sur ce mdm et pensez juste que me plaint encore.
triste vforum on peux plus demander l'avis du peuple vfiens sans se faire traiter de pleurnicheur et malgre mais x carotte en 15 jours je continue juste vf pour la formation et mon entente sur ce bonne soiree comme aucun dialogue et possible ici

Oh don't worry everyone thinks like you there's a big problem with the game, opening a post to say so won't change anything, at the moment it's just crossing your fingers to win and trying to make some money in the meantime I don't really know what, not much I think so don't focus on this game basically I don't think anyone cares today 😁😉

Why do some people draw a parallel between a scripted season and persecution?
If you want to stick to reality, it's totally realistic to think that at the start of the season a penalty will be randomly imposed on a few clubs.
Go and tell Nice that they're having a normal season. They have a budget and players in the middle of D1, yet at the moment they are playing at national level.
Nobody knows the cause and yet it's happening.

zejl: Pourquoi certains font un parallèle entre saison scriptée et persécution. ?
Si on veut coller a la réalité c'est totalement réaliste de se dire qu en début de saison un malus va tomber au HASARD sur quelques clubs.
Allez dire aux niçois qu ils font une saison normale. Il ont un budget et des joueurs de milieu de D1 pourtant actuellement ils ont un jeu de national.
Personne ne connait la cause et pourtant ça arrive.

The people of Nice are overrated and it's starting to show 🤣 and I live in Nice...

zejl: Pourquoi certains font un parallèle entre saison scriptée et persécution. ?
Si on veut coller a la réalité c'est totalement réaliste de se dire qu en début de saison un malus va tomber au HASARD sur quelques clubs.
Allez dire aux niçois qu ils font une saison normale. Il ont un budget et des joueurs de milieu de D1 pourtant actuellement ils ont un jeu de national.
Personne ne connait la cause et pourtant ça arrive.

Does it work with Nantes too?
😭💛💚😭

Lebaygue: Ah un un topic atypique qui change de l ordinaire...Ah ben non,au final, toujours les mêmes avec les mêmes débats stériles.

You love him says the 🤣🤣🤣

seblelionnais: Après passer en 4-5-2, t'as un sacré avantage... Ou un sacré malus !

It's clear 😂

Pierabou: Ça marche aussi avec Nantes ?
😭💛💚😭

Yes, except that in Nantes the penalty is every year 🙄

Yeah I'm glad you all are doing well

I prefer to remember the Nantes of pedri loko ouedec

zejl: Je préfère garder en mémoire le Nantes des pedri loko ouedec

Pedros

It's not always the same people who complain
But it's always the same people who laugh
You'd think that was a job too 😑

VALENCIANO: bonjour j'aimerais avis du peuple vfiens sur ce mdm
ça fait 15jours que je travaille de nuit 14h a 22h je gère mes matchs important via smartphone et jamais pris autant de match bizarre en 15 jours en outre j'ai eu la même chose en federation angolais voir en match is avec la sv

la chose bizarre c'est que je met plus occasions a l'adverse mais ou adverse en plante 2 affiler voir 3 affiler ou un but sort de nul part et le lendemain aligne mon equipe jeune n'importe comment et je met de 5-0...

Personally, I totally agree with you, I don't understand it at all. After all, it's not serious, it's just a game, but I really don't feel like I can influence my matches any more.

Ragen: C'est pas toujours les mêmes qui se plaignent
Mais c'est toujours les mêmes qui se moque
A croire que ça aussi c'est un taff 😑

Well, let's just say that complaining over one or two seasons, or even three, or at more or less long intervals, because the odds aren't in your favour, is understandable. But they can't have been against you for 15 years. And some people have been complaining about the game and its 'match engine' for 15 years.

So it could be that it's coming from somewhere else or that they're really unlucky. But it's all a question of probabilities, nothing more. It's frustrating, yes. Sometimes it takes a long time to shoot, yes. Sometimes you get lucky on the dice in friendlies and the opposite in competitive matches, and that's annoying too. But that's the way it is. Sometimes a guy puts a goal past you with a very slim chance and you have a very good chance of getting the goal, without putting one in, yes. The odds are still in your favour. All you can do is try to get them to go your way.

So, to answer the question. You manage a match, you don't manage a result. You try to increase your chances of victory on the basis of probabilities, nothing else. Unlike IRL, there are a lot of parameters that don't exist. The game doesn't have the logic of an IRL team. And there are no malus that are randomly placed on a player's head. I think it's much more global than that. I'm not sure that Aymeric has that sort of thing. Well, I don't know, and neither does anyone else, but I don't really see that as a likely option.

The most frustrating thing is that sometimes you can't really do anything about it. No matter what you do, it's very complicated and very strange that it happens over a whole season or more. To be dominated losing ancestral is normal, to hold up time is normal too, but it really does happen very often (I'm not just talking about me, of course) and personally I really feel that it's more of a bug than anything else. For example, I wonder if it's not from the 8-0 with 4xg that I put in at the start of the season. I really get the impression that the game is trying to rebalance the overall xg over the season by all means, so it's rebalancing slowly over the course of the match, which is where the illogical defeats come from. Because I've noticed that at the end of the season the overall xg (league, ie, cup, friendly) are consistent as if by chance.

Of course, I could be wrong, but something has definitely changed.

mick3829: Le plus frustrant c’est que des fois même souvent on ne peu vraiment rien y faire. Peu importe se qu’on fait c’est très compliqué et très bizarre que sa se passe sur une saison complète voir plus. Être dominé perdre ancestral normal, faire un hold up de temps c’est normal aussi mais là c’est vraiment très souvent que sa arrive ( je ne parle pas que de moi hein) j’ai vraiment l’impression personnellement que c’est plus du bug qu’autre chose. Par exemple je me demande si sa viens pas du 8-0 ave...

I have the same feeling as you when you talk about the overall balance of xG over a season, it's intriguing. You might think that each category (i.e. friendlies, Championship and Cups) is independent in terms of xG, but I sometimes get the impression that a statistical 'error' in one category influences the probas of the others over time, like a smoothing process needed to reach a given statistical balance (predefined at the start of the season?).

OMstar83: Ben, disons que se plaindre sur une ou deux saisons voire trois ou à intervalles plus ou moins longues parce que les probas ne sont pas de ton côté, ça se comprend parce que ça peut frustrer de se prendre des douilles à la suite. Mais elles ne peuvent pas être contre toi depuis 15 ans. Et certains se plaignent du jeu et de son "moteur de match" depuis 15 ans.

C'est donc que ça vient d'ailleurs ou qu'ils n'ont vraiment pas de chance, ça se peut aussi. Mais tout est question de probas, rien de...

The only solution to this problem is to increase the scoring chance percentage for certain chances (currently 26-29% maximum).

But frankly, on chances where you have 170 attacking chances against 20 defensive chances.... we could easily go up to 35-38%... If the game also decides to give us the chance, of course!

Ced90: Seule solution pour palier un peu à ce problème est d'augmenter le pourcentage de chance de marquer de certaines occasions (aujourd'hui 26-29% maxi)

Mais franchement sur des occasions ou tu as 170 d'attaque contre 20 de défense.... on pourrait largement monter à 35-38%.. Si le jeu décide aussi de nous donner l'occasion bien entendu !

C'est difficile de trouver un équilibre car en augmentant les xG maxi pour les "grosses occasions", il peut vite y avoir des scores fleuves également. Mais cel...

We agree, there are certainly variables that could be modified a little, clearly.

RadioRainbow: J'ai le même sentiment que toi quand tu évoques l'équilibre global des xG sur une saison, c'est intriguant. On peut croire que chaque catégorie (à savoir Matchs amicaux, Championnat et Coupes) est indépendante en terme de xG, mais j'ai parfois l'impression qu'une "erreur" statistique survenant dans une categorie influe sur les probas des autres au cours du temps, comme un lissage nécessaire à l'atteinte d'un équilibre statistique donné (prédéfini en début de saison ?)

That's exactly the point