Hello everyone,

This season, a number of new changes have been introduced, including

• changes to players' salaries,
• the impossibility of transferring certain players who have just arrived at the club.

There are also changes introduced in previous seasons, such as the age limit of 30, the ban on playing with 5 strikers (cuckoo hazard) and others I'm sure I've forgotten.

I think the minimum would be to warn the community when a change is implemented.
Like the 'patch notes' found on many online games, this would allow us to anticipate and adapt, rather than having to discover these new features ourselves.

That's exactly what the News channel is for, so we might as well make full use of it.

So what do you think?

We can only agree that communication is essential in a game.

Players' salary requirements, like maturity levels, are naturally fluctuating values in the game. So don't expect any fixed values.

The impossibility of immediately transferring a player has always been part of the game. A bug meant that it wasn't operational recently, but that's now been fixed.

aymeric45: Les exigeances salariales des joueurs, comme les plages de maturité sont des valeurs naturellement fluctuantes sur le jeu. Il ne faut donc pas s'attendre à des valeurs fixes.

L'impossibilité de tranférer tout de suite un joueur a toujours fait partie du jeu. Un bug faisait qu'elle n'était pas opérationnel dernièrement, mais c'est à présent corrigé.

There is always a 2-hour delay at present.

aymeric45: Les exigeances salariales des joueurs, comme les plages de maturité sont des valeurs naturellement fluctuantes sur le jeu. Il ne faut donc pas s'attendre à des valeurs fixes.

L'impossibilité de tranférer tout de suite un joueur a toujours fait partie du jeu. Un bug faisait qu'elle n'était pas opérationnel dernièrement, mais c'est à présent corrigé.

First of all, thank you Aymeric for taking the time to reply.

I took over Virtuafoot in 2021 and, from memory, I don't remember seeing any real changes in player salaries before the start of the season.

As for transfers, it's true that 10-15 years ago they were blocked for 7 days. However, this restriction was lifted many years ago, unless I'm mistaken... unless it was a bug that lasted a particularly long time.

What about the other changes you mentioned?
Once again, the idea is not to be for or against these changes, but above all to be informed in advance when they are introduced.

I think that the trend in salaries goes hand in hand with the overall drop in NGs: the salaries that are exploding are those of former players with more than 200 carac points, something that won't happen any more.

Bastoun_34: Je pense que l’évolution des salaires va avec la baisse globale des NG: les salaires qui explosent sont ceux des anciens joueurs avec plus de 200 points de carac, chose qui n’arrivera plus à présent.

In other words, all salaries are rising.

But alongside that, there are new sources of income: complementary objectives. I think it's linked in one way or another.

The players' salaries are 'exploding'... the term seems excessive to me,
It's true that in percentage terms it's significant compared with the previous season, but as with other parameters of the game, we're very far from the realities.

30K a week for the best players in the game means 240K a season, or the equivalent of 20,000 a month (in costs for the club, i.e. the equivalent of around 10 - 12,000 net for a player + salary and employer's contributions).
This is a far cry from the salaries of clubs in Saudi Arabia or even ......de French D2!

In a real club, the players' wage bill represents a considerable % of the budget for VF - it's a drop in the ocean!

One of my players, H. Kwang Sup, who was being paid €1,000, is now asking me for €15,000. We know very well that salaries are not negotiable with players, so we have to accept.
This sudden increase drastically reduces the profits that some people could have made from the game's income, even though everyone knows that VF is not a game for immediate income, but a long-term investment. Logically, salaries should rise gradually, not explode all at once.
In my opinion, this is a novelty that unbalances the economy of the game.

Jallow: Un de mes joueurs, H. Kwang Sup qui touchait 1 000 €, me demande désormais 15 000 € de salaire. Or, on sait très bien que les salaires ne sont pas négociables avec les joueurs : on est donc obligé d’accepter.
Cette hausse brutale réduit fortement les bénéfices que certains pouvaient tirer des revenus du jeu, alors que tout le monde sait que VF n’est pas un jeu à revenus immédiats, mais un investissement sur le long terme. Les salaires devraient logiquement é...

Maybe the problem was that he was only asking you for 1,000 euros, don't you think?

Well, in that case, in some cases the salary is maintained at 1k when the renewal takes place during a long-term loan, for example. Or when he's transferred, his old contract is renewed.
On the other hand, on the day when the renewal is due to take place in the classic way, the request is in line with the parameters (number of points in this case).
That's probably where the delta of 1,000 to 15,000 comes from. The anomaly lies in the fact that he was only paid 1,000 for so long...

Personally, I don't see this change as a problem. All that's needed is an 'official' warning and we'll be able to adapt.

Jallow: Un de mes joueurs, H. Kwang Sup qui touchait 1 000 €, me demande désormais 15 000 € de salaire. Or, on sait très bien que les salaires ne sont pas négociables avec les joueurs : on est donc obligé d’accepter.
Cette hausse brutale réduit fortement les bénéfices que certains pouvaient tirer des revenus du jeu, alors que tout le monde sait que VF n’est pas un jeu à revenus immédiats, mais un investissement sur le long terme. Les salaires devraient logiquement é...

He was getting 1,000 because he came out of the centre. A few weeks ago he might have cost you more around 7-8000. But that's not going to fundamentally change your income.

Galywat: Il touchait 1000 car sorti du centre. Il y a quelques semaines il t'aurait peut être plus coûté autour de 7-8000. Mais bon c'est pas ce qui va fondamentalement changer tes revenus.

All the same.

+10k per player makes a big difference to our weekly finances.

Largely offset by the community objective if you take part and if a 26 player scores at least 1 goal over the season ;)

I don't see what's wrong with the contracts....
You're used to them being 1k at the start but if you train him and 6 seasons later he's at 95 ng it's normal for him to go up to 16 17k I don't see anything illogical.

It's true that when the whole team goes from 1k to 26k, it hurts your backside every time you finance something.

Brutus: Largement compensé par l'objectif communautaire si tu y participes et si un joueur 26 marque au moins 1 but sur la saison ;)

For 1 month?

hazard14: Je vois pas ce qu'il y a d'anormal dans les contrats....
Vous etes habitué a ce qu'ils soient a 1k au début mais si vous formez et que 6 saisons après il est a 95 ng normal qu'il monte a 16 17k je vois rien de illogique.

A note 57 player asking for +€14,000, I can imagine the big ones...

Jallow: Pour 1 mois ?

Well, there may be other Community objectives in the months to come, but it remains to be seen when and if the 'terms' will be the same!

But if you have 32 players and, on average, they're asking for 15k more (roughly speaking) that gives you 3M840/season... if you take 18M8 you're already safe for almost 5 seasons...

Granted, that's not an 'excuse' I'm giving, but Aymeric is changing certain things (such as wages) but 'promising' other things on the other hand, so that 'makes up for it' if I can put it that way!

The only thing left to find out is whether there will be 1 goal per month, or 2 per season... which is what I'm hoping for because it's nice and that's what he's looking for, to know whether we're on board or not... for my part, I'm completely on board ;)

Just the shop gives you more than salaries ^^
Then you have itw, tv channel, cdf, stadium, players in federation (not for everyone), sponsors, training bonus... not to mention transfers, agreements, cups ect...

The real problem is not so much the final salary but the brutality of the increase and above all the total lack of negotiation possible for managers.
Today, when a player reaches the end of his contract and asks for 15k, the club is obliged to accept.
If you offer 14k, the player automatically refuses and postpones the extension, sometimes by a week or more. As a result, there is no room for negotiation and no management leverage, even though this is a central element in a management game.
This system heavily penalises clubs that are building for the long term. VF has never been an instant-revenue game, and many clubs have organised their finances accordingly. Such a sudden increase, with no possibility of adjustment, creates a real economic imbalance.
Community targets can temporarily compensate, but they are limited in time, not guaranteed and insufficient to deal with a recurring salary burden over an entire season.
In my opinion, Aymeric should give clubs the opportunity to really negotiate contracts.
For example:
"The player is asking for 15k, but could accept between 13k and 15k depending on the length of the contract, the sporting project or the club's situation."
Or introduce progressive salary increments, rather than a sudden jump.
From a sporting point of view, it makes sense. Economically and in terms of gameplay, the current system lacks flexibility and deserves to be adjusted.

Well, I'm with you on the fundamental problem... I'm talking about the form, because it's too deep for me! ^^

sebi99: Juste la boutique te rend plus que les salaires^^
Puis tu as les itw, chaîne tv, cdf, stade, joueurs en fédération (pas pour tout le monde), sponsors, prime de formation.. sans compter les transferts, ententes, coupes ect...

I'm not saying that there isn't money in the game, the problem is that these revenues aren't always secure or regular for all clubs.
The shop, the interviews, the TV channel, the stadium, the sponsors, etc. often depend on the results, the level of the club or the situation. So it's not guaranteed every season.
On the other hand, players' wages are fixed and obligatory ^^ When they go straight from 1k to 15k without the possibility of negotiating, that hurts the finances of some players.
The real problem isn't that there isn't enough income, but that there's an imbalance between variable income and compulsory expenditure that can't be discussed.
That's why a system of contract negotiation or a more gradual increase in salaries would be fairer and more logical for some managers who are not as rich as some.

"Such a sudden increase, with no possibility of adjustment, creates a real economic imbalance".

Imagine a club with 32 players demanding a salary of €30,000 a week. I'm not even sure that such a club currently exists on VF.

With this insane increase, it would have to spend nearly 7.7 million per season on wages. I can already imagine VF's billionaires sweating at the thought of pulling out that huge sum 😆.

If you prefer to make a comparison, a big transfer at 70 million will roughly represent 10 seasons of wages for the entire team of a big club!

We are in the process of moving from a system where players' wages represented absolutely nothing in a club's finances, to a system where players' wages will represent almost nothing... The sponsor's floor for the season and the income from the shop should cover the wages of almost all the clubs in the VF ...

If you don't think twice before complaining, Aymeric is going to add a 0 to the salaries of all the players .... And the worst thing is that it wouldn't even be abusive if he did.

Personally my young people and players of my cdf are happy with their salaries I hope to be spared 😁😁😁

Personally, my moc from 93 asked for 25k for an extension... I put in 20k + a 500 bonus and he accepted.

Have a nice day!

Sun's: Personnellement mon moc de 93 demande 25k pour prolongation... j'ai mis 20k + prime de 500 et il a accepté

Bonne journée

Not a very smart player..........

I'm sure he's sleeping with someone else's wife, the bastard!

Please explain, or Suns is the king of 2nd degree 😅
5k difference per week, ok. 500k signing bonus, that's amortization in 100 weeks, almost two years, about 12 seasons (player is 31)

So who's the smart one? In any case, one of them had to break out the champagne in the process. My guess is that the whole team will be asking for a raise before long, once the story has spread around the dressing room 🙈

Fougch: Expliquez moi svp, ou alors Suns est le roi du 2nd degré 😅
5k de différence par semaine, ok. Prime de 500k à la signature, ça fait un amortissement en 100 semaines, soit presque deux ans, environ 12 saisons (le joueur a 31 ans)

Alors, qui est le plus malin ? En tout cas y’en a un qui a dû sabrer le champagne dans la foulée. À mon avis toute l’équipe va bientôt demander une augmentation d’ici peu quand l’histoire aura fait le tour du vestiaire 🙈

500 € not 500k mdr

There's no offer for €500. It's 100k to 1M with a 100k step for signing bonuses. Or is it different on PC?

But the problem isn't young people going from 1k to 16 or 17k, that's always happened. But there is a big increase elsewhere: my 'big' players who are coming to the end of their contract, and who were 16-17k, are now asking 32-33k. So that's what I was saying, they're one of those players aged 30 and over who came out a few years ago and who have over 200 carac points, and who we won't be seeing any more. Ms that's almost x2.

Fougch: Expliquez moi svp, ou alors Suns est le roi du 2nd degré 😅
5k de différence par semaine, ok. Prime de 500k à la signature, ça fait un amortissement en 100 semaines, soit presque deux ans, environ 12 saisons (le joueur a 31 ans)

Alors, qui est le plus malin ? En tout cas y’en a un qui a dû sabrer le champagne dans la foulée. À mon avis toute l’équipe va bientôt demander une augmentation d’ici peu quand l’histoire aura fait le tour du vestiaire 🙈

He's well worth it!
Spent his entire career with us. Often scores that "little" goal out of nowhere to win at the 93rd+ (the extra time vf what)
I'm on the tel too (no kidding, I've got two brain cells to feed, so no PC).
Then, in theory, 90+ players will become rare and will mainly be in the hands of the top clubs, who are already rich enough to pay them with a few extra 0s on their payslips.