Dear Aymeric,

I thought it would be a good idea to write about this double fraud at the VFStore. First of all, yes, Jex or Teddy, or whatever future pseudonym he takes when he returns, is definitely a nuisance for VF.

I'm not LR and have never been in that cartel.

But does LR have to pay so much for it? His recruitment was unquestionably an aberration. And we can consider that they were able to profit from this fraud with the "sporting" results of season 141. Penalising them by withdrawing points is one thing.

But do they really need to pay for the Paypal refund fraud? We're talking about the actions of an individual, not a fraud perpetrated on a cartel scale. Why should innocent people pay a sum of money IRL for a scam perpetrated by an individual, who would have reacted just as much if he'd been in another cartel or on his own? Can't we become reasonable again after a week of tension?

I don't know how you're going to get that money back, and I hope you do.

However, it's not the LR that's going to steal it from you. It's one thing for them to pay for Jex's sporting achievements last season. But to pay for his alleged thefts, is that really fair?

There's not much more to say, I just hope that you'll reconsider this aspect of collective reimbursement on pain of dissolution, as this point seems to me to be profoundly unfair to them given the facts.

Finally, when you read the reactions this weekend, it just gives more and more importance to the same man who continues to strut his stuff: Jex, and who continues to not give a damn, even if the fate of the LR is at stake.

Sincerely,

Galy

I agree with you 100% and I think that many people have pointed this out in other threads before.

I fully agree with you galy!
LR are good guys apart from Jeff of course 🤪😘❤️

Totally agree with Galy.
The cartel should not be responsible for the actions of its members unless it is cheating organised via the cartel.
The fym was suppressed then stripped financially without being able to say a word ....
I hope for you another outcome.

And we go on to find the series of the summer
Pff, it's getting pathetic 🫣🫣🫣
Anyway

The worst thing in this story is that one of my members decided to quit the game following the 200M fine he received after saying what he thought.
I'm very disappointed because the fine was given by an IR, which is not logical given that it was IR that he was talking about.
After all, my member had no business saying that, and I understand that, but when some people have been fined 2M5, others have been fined 200M, and worse still, others have been fined nothing at all. He has never had any problems with the game, and for a word less than 200M, the game has become a prison, with no more right to react.
This will be my only comment on this affair which is very regrettable, I have a lot of LR friends I even supported them but they touched my family my nwo a founding member so the rules were applied supposedly but not in the same way for everyone.
Good night a very disappointed president of the turn that the game takes

Objection your honour ^^

To start with, and I'll keep it short, they'll be disbanded, they'll go to LR2 which will become LR1.... The LR will not disappear for all that, so let's put away the handkerchiefs....Their prize list, they'll have the screenshots, if that's all there is.
Trying to make Aymeric's decision light-hearted is just another way of bringing up an issue and giving importance to something that doesn't have any.
When you see how a well-known and reputable legionnaire spoke about Morten, a former legionnaire himself, it's clear that the problem goes much deeper... You can't defend the indefensible by smearing guys with integrity.... In the knowledge that he wasn't the last person to congratulate himself on the dissolution of the Fyms.

So no, they acted in good conscience to bring in a guy with a problem and defended him tooth and nail until Aymeric's decision.

For once Galy, I don't agree with you....When you've done everything to get yourself slapped, well often you get it, that's life.

Well, actually, Galy, I think that if Aymeric has evidence of the embezzlement of money IRL that he mentioned, that would be considered a criminal offence. We don't have all the facts and figures about the direct or indirect victims, but I think his solution is a more reasonable one, to avoid triggering the legal proceedings, for which he could be held liable even if he can exonerate himself.

Above all, if Aymeric, who had been absent from the game for a while, took the time to consult with his admins, investigate and then write a statement for the whole community, then it's not a decision taken on a whim. As mentioned above, we need to stop (indirectly) giving importance to a particular player via the various posts on this forum.

I agree with you 100% Galy

The admins team had nothing to do with aymeric's decision.

minadinho: Totalement d’accord.avec galy .
L’entente doit pas être responsable des agissement des membres à moins que ça soit une triche organiser via l’entente .
La fym as étais supprimé puis dépouiller financièrement sans pouvoir dire un mot ….
J’espère pour vous une autre issue .

I hope you're joking....
How dare you compare the 2 situations?
In your case it was collective cheating, with repeat offences. In LR's case it was an individual, and one of your own to boot.

It's high time you stopped playing the victim. This isn't a schoolyard. You can't do stupid things and come crying to the teacher when you get caught!

No really... The FYM got what it deserved and then, as Lebaygue says, great dissolution... You're still here...

Galywat: Cher Aymeric,

Il me semble bon de t'écrire au sujet de cette double fraude au VFStore. Tout d’abord oui, Jex ou Teddy, ou le futur pseudo qu’il prendra quand il reviendra est définitivement une plaie pour VF.

Je ne suis pas LR et n’ai jamais été dans cette entente.

Mais est-ce que la LR doit autant payer pour ça ? Son recrutement a été sans conteste une aberration. Et on peut considérer qu’ils ont pu profiter de cette fraude avec les résultats « sportifs » de la saison 141. Les sanctionne...

I agree with you

Nicularo: J’espère que tu rigole….
Comment oses-tu comparer les 2 situations ?
Dans votre cas c’était une triche collective, avec des récidives. Dans le cas de la LR c’est un individu, et un de chez vous en plus de surcroît.

Il serait grand temps que vous arrêtiez de faire les victimes. C’est pas la cours d’école ici. On ne peut pas faire des conneries et venir pleurer auprès du prof quand on se fait choper!

Non vraiment… La FYM a eu ce qu’elle méritait et puis, comme dit Lebaygue, géniale la disso...

And for a long time to come 😀

We're not going to get into the Fym/LR subject .... Once again, Teddy is staying with the Fym, but some people are changing their tune about the sanctions,... for me, the agreement is partly responsible for the members of its agreement and when you recruit Teddy, you look a bit or you question yourself a bit when you see the players he found on the VFForum. So the sanction may be debatable, but it was also made in line with the old cheating sanctions.
Now, I agree with this post, I think that if there's to be a refund it's Teddy's alone, and I imagine that legally there's something to be done. And I largely agree with this post

Galy, your letter is well written and I wouldn't be shocked if part of the sanction you're quoting were lifted.

Despite the criticism, I have the utmost respect for LR, when I started in 2012-2017, ECO, BV, LR and LV were having a great battle. Then I go back to 2024 and it dominates with the CPs. In 2025, their members individually dominate individual competitions and all types of ranking. That commands respect. IT'S POWERFUL.
Respect that took a big hit when they opened their doors to a guy like Teddy (purely personal opinion).
All this to say that an agreement remains responsible for the actions of its members.
In 6 years with LV, and then only two seasons with NV, we turned down members. 3 whose names I won't mention (level 10s) were turned down in less than two seasons by the Nexus and they were less of a liability than Teddy. And they accepted elsewhere afterwards. So everyone has their own standards.

It remains that the LR is a great agreement, which I do not put in the same basket as another. This will remain an event with no long-term consequences.
The LR and their admins have their place in VF in gold letters. May the duel between LR and CP resume as soon as possible.

Another solution, you open another topic to find volunteers to pay the debt, it should not be monstrous. it would be a nice footnote that despite dissension, the community is united against a type of individual and not against an agreement.
Unless I'm mistaken, they have to pay back the stars, so we're making donations to the president of the LR.

If your letter isn't received...

Galywat: Cher Aymeric,

Il me semble bon de t'écrire au sujet de cette double fraude au VFStore. Tout d’abord oui, Jex ou Teddy, ou le futur pseudo qu’il prendra quand il reviendra est définitivement une plaie pour VF.

Je ne suis pas LR et n’ai jamais été dans cette entente.

Mais est-ce que la LR doit autant payer pour ça ? Son recrutement a été sans conteste une aberration. Et on peut considérer qu’ils ont pu profiter de cette fraude avec les résultats « sportifs » de la saison 141. Les sanctionne...

For your information Galy, since the announcement on the forum, I've been in discussion with Aymeric internally on this subject. I've also told him about this open letter and I hope that this idea of dissolving the LR will be abandoned.

For once Galy is right.
The fine for the agreement and loss of points was enough.
But when it's innocent people who have to pay the debt for the guilty party (it reminds me of what we go through every day in Ireland with the word tax), I don't think it's right.

Now I've got another idea that I think Aymeric can implement: Stop purchases via PayPal!
Never mind the gnagnagna, better to do it on a more secure platform for him in this case.

Jeffus tuchuss: L’équipe admins n’a rien à voir dans cette décision de aymeric.

Honestly, who is the admin team these days? Between the real resigners, those who say they're resigning but who in fact always impose sanctions, and those who organise votes to decide whether they should resign....
Help, I don't understand anything anymore
I think that Aymeric45 should intervene here to provide some information and clarify the scope of each person's responsibilities and, above all, their powers.
I haven't read all the thawing out of contradictory messages over the last few days, but as far as I'm concerned, it's all become a blur.

Personally I agree with what lebaygue said, the fact that the LR integrated Teddy knowing his liabilities, and so I think they also acted with full knowledge of the facts. After that, it's just my opinion

myforsans: Franchement c'est qui aujourd'hui l'equipe d'admins ? Entre les vrais demissionnaires, ceux qui disent qu'ils demissionnent mais qui en fait donnent toujours des sanctions, ceux qui organisent des votes pour savoir s'ils doivent démissionner....
Au secours je n'y comprends plus rien
Je pense que Aymeric45 devrait intervenir ici pour donner des infos et repreciser le champ de compétences et surtout les pouvoirs de chacun.
Je n'ai pas tout lu des dégelées de messages contradictoires qui se sont...

We no longer know who the admin is 🤔
We'd love to see an official statement in NEWS

Not to mention that Morten, who is linked to the League of Federations, has announced his resignation... So the question is, who's going to replace him officially? I've spoken to Blago and he's told me that he's going to take over, but nothing yet.

I think it's going to take some time to organise the admin structure, so let's let them get on with it and we'll have some news soon. But that wasn't the subject of the topic (sorry).

For me the LR knew that this club and these players had a heavy past. For my part I would have demoted the agreement in 3 division and the money in real must be refunded by the culprit or the culprit. In the French jurisdiction we can call this a misappropriation of service which is punishable under criminal law after if I am this player who cheats I repay everything and I go elsewhere because if Aymeric goes to court for that I think who wins after I give only my opinion and as said I do not have all the elements. if the administrators and Aymeric have the evidence and if Aymeric made a statement is who had good reasons to do so.

So :
1- On the one hand, the LR has done anything by recruiting Teddy knowing who he was and what he had done. On the other hand, I remember that Aymeric gave him a permanent ban, and left him in the game anyway, which allowed him to commit this fraud. If the LR, via other members, was able to take advantage of Teddy's cheating, it should be dissolved purely and simply as announced, it would only be fair, and the members concerned should be banned from VF for life.
2- Now, when I see this message, I find it hard to understand Aymeric's reasoning:

Either you're able to identify who cheated (Teddy) and which players benefited directly from this cheating, and you file a complaint for organised gang fraud or a charge of that kind, or you ask the people concerned for their money back directly; or you're not able to find out, and in that case you take matters into your own hands and set up processes to prevent it happening again. But to ask the members of an agreement to pay off the debt of a 'friend' under threat of being dissolved, I'd simply call blackmail, and it's pathetic.
And clearly, when you're so permissive towards the cheats who pollute this game, you get what you deserve after a while. We've had enough cases where you've opposed the closure of cheating accounts because they were VF Store consumers; now you're paying the price.
Aymeric, I don't know if you'll read this message (but I might not get a chance to see the reply anyway), it's certainly not very polite, but if it can help you move the game in the right direction, at least I'll have achieved something on VF.

I agree. LR should not be penalised (especially for real money) because of a harmful individual.
The points at the end of the day are understandable and would make you think twice before recruiting someone. But I imagine he did it on the sly without telling anyone. So LR is also a victim in this story.

I think this affair should be settled in court, quite simply. It's a big fraud.
And above all, end the partnership with PayPal if they are unable to guarantee payments.

I don't think we should forget that this is a game, and what does it mean to lodge a complaint about a game?
Personally, I think Gally is right, and if for once the decision could be fair, that would be great!
Only the guilty party should pay, and the players who took advantage of this loophole!
The others and the agreement should not be punished!

After that, A45, it's up to you to lay down the law in your game and make sure that these loopholes last as short a time as possible, and above all, don't get the penalties wrong!
Enjoy the game, and don't forget, friends, you're on a game, you're not playing for your life, you're just here to have fun...