Hi everyone
What I said a few seasons ago has proved me right

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The division is becoming tough for both upward and downward mobility, with 14 teams at around 100pts
I'll come back to that but it's the fact that div 2 is full of 2 and 3 agreements
For the competition, it's good to have 3 competitive divisions but for the small agreements it's becoming unplayable unfortunately

And what would you suggest?

For several seasons now it has not been possible to have 2 sister agreements in D1, only 1 agreement can be represented in D1

If Aymeric decided to block only one agreement per division, what would become of the sister agreements and what would be their interest? Since in this case there would be no more competition or rather interest in playing the ranking of agreements in each division

93 to 178 points, you're wide on your 14 agreements at around 100 points xD

bluethunders26: Et tu proposerais quoi ??

Depuis déjà quelques saisons il ne peut plus y avoir 2 ententes sœur en D1 , seul 1 entente peut être représenter en D1

Si Aymeric décider de bloquer qu une entente par division , que deviendrais les ententes sœur et quels seraient leur intérêt ?? Puisque dans ce cas il n y aurait plus de compétition ou plutôt d intérêt de jouer le classement des ententes dans chaque division

Create a separate league with only sister associations. A sort of d1 u19

Pep Kiguwa: Faire un championnat à part avec uniquement des ententes sœur. La d1 u19 en quelque sorte

It's an idea I've always supported. Shorten the number of agreements per division still further (10) to have two divisions with an interesting level and create a second championship for sister agreements with a line in the prize list for the winners. That would be pretty cool.

OMstar83: 93 à 178 points, tu es large sur ton 14 ententes à peu près à 100 points xD

I was saying more or less for the last agreement which does not have 100 points but the level has increased

bluethunders26: Et tu proposerais quoi ??

Depuis déjà quelques saisons il ne peut plus y avoir 2 ententes sœur en D1 , seul 1 entente peut être représenter en D1

Si Aymeric décider de bloquer qu une entente par division , que deviendrais les ententes sœur et quels seraient leur intérêt ?? Puisque dans ce cas il n y aurait plus de compétition ou plutôt d intérêt de jouer le classement des ententes dans chaque division

To redo divisions 2, 3 and 4 and move the agreements 2 down to d4
What is the point of a 2 or 3 agreement being 1st in d2 today? Apart from taking easy points
Or to make a division or 2 for sister teams
Last season it was said that this would raise the level of the other agreements, but this season this is clearly no longer the case as the best agreement 1s who were in d2 are in d3
For me, the introduction of sister divisions is the best solution

kiki-sainté: De refaire les divisions 2 , 3 , 4 descendre les ententes 2 en d4
Aujourd'hui qu elle est l intérêt d une entente 2 ou 3 d être 1 er de la d2 ?? A part prendre des points facile
Ou de faire une division ou 2 pour les ententes soeurs
La saison dernière on disait que ça relevait le niveau des autres ententes, cette saison c est clairement plus le cas vu que les meilleurs ententes 1 qui étaient en d2 sont en d3
La mise en place des divisions soeurs pour moi c est la meilleure solution

hi grandpa

deja je ne comprends pas pk avoir mis des divisions sur les ententes du jeu ( enfin si j'ai compris c'est quand des speudos elites sont venus pleurer ce qui a encore cre 1fosse plus grand ) in the old days there was no such thing as a division in the game.
In the old days, there were no divisions and there were a lot more people playing and it worked very well.
let me explain
Aymeric's aim is to bring players up to their potential, so there's no point in having divisions any more, we'll all have the same players
bonne journee a toutes et tous

redbull77: salut papy

deja je ne comprends pas pk avoir mis des divisions sur les ententes du jeux( enfin si j ai compris c est quand des speudos elites sont venus pleurer ce qui a encore cree 1fosse plus grand ) , toutes les ententes ont des iud differents et celles ci devraient pouvoir s affronter sur des matchs , peux importe le niv de l une ou l autre .
Autrefois il n y avait pas de division avec bcp plus de monde sur le jeux et ca marchait tres bien .
je m explique
L objectif de aymeric est de ram

The introduction of divisions has made it possible to put an end to arranged bets.
Without divisions, it would be easy to organise matches against fictitious clubs.

estac: La mise en place de division a permis l'arrêt des ie arrangés.
Sans les divisions, il serait facile d'organiser des ie contre des clubs fictifs.

yes, so the community is still paying for the elites (the same elites who came crying out for 1 poor line on the prize list)
the ie arranged have since been rectified since you can no longer make a direct proposal, so the divisions are no longer of any use.

There's far too much "c'était mieux avant" on VF. What's in the past stays in the past. What has been done has been done for rather good reasons each time. Even if the form isn't there sometimes, the substance is.

OMstar83: Y'a beaucoup trop de "c'était mieux avant" sur VF. Ce qui appartient au passé y reste. Ce qui a été fait l'a été pour des raisons plutôt bonnes à chaque fois. Même si la forme n'y est parfois pas, le fond y est.

the past is there to ensure that the mistakes of the past are not repeated in the present ......

redbull77: le passe est la pour que les erreurs du passe ne soient pas refaites dans le present ......

So, if you don't want to repeat the mistakes of the past in the present, it's a good idea to move on and not regret the past too much. Anyway, it's a logic that seems to make sense ^^

The divisions aren't bad at all, they just need a bit of polishing up. That's what's missing on VF, getting to the end of the story.

redbull77: oui donc la communautee paye encore pour les elites !( ces memes elites qui sont venus pleures pour 1pauvre ligne sur le palmares )
les ie arranges ont ete rectifies depuis puisque tu ne peux plus en faire en propo direct donc les divisions n ont plus aucunes utilitees sur le fond .

You can always offer and accept an ie.
Cheating doesn't necessarily come from the elite and you know that very well.

What's more, I think it's more interesting to play the d3 or d4 ranking than to play for fiftieth place in a ranking.

estac: La mise en place de division a permis l'arrêt des ie arrangés.
Sans les divisions, il serait facile d'organiser des ie contre des clubs fictifs.

estac
bcp d'anciens ne jouent pas dans des grosses ententes car ils sont attachés à celles et ils aurraient largement les moyens de rivaliser avec les grosses ententes, c'est 1 fait tu le sais aussi ca.
Doing away with the divisions won't change anything about the way the clubs operate, although it might be more complicated to win titles, but it's an extra challenge, isn't it?

The only solution would be for agreements 2 or 3 of the large agreements to be closed.
A single group and a single agreement
So no agreement 2
That way everyone can move up or down

redbull77: estac
bcp d anciens ne jouent pas dans des grosses ententes car ils sont attachees a celles ci et ils aurraient largement les moyens de rivaliser avec les grosses ententes , c est 1fait tu le sais aussi ca .
Supprimer les divisions ne changera rien au mode des ententes , si ca serra peut etre plus compliquer de gagner des titres mais c est 1challenge en plus non?

As far as I'm concerned, there would be no change to the rankings except for some of the Entente 2s, who could easily break into the top 15.

The championship would be easier for the big clubs. They would have a much better chance of meeting weaker teams than at present.
On the other hand, the teams at the bottom of the standings would lose the desire to play ies.
Who wants to lose to 95-99ng teams when your team is barely above 80ng?

As I say once again, if the big clubs manage to reach such a high level, maybe it's because they have the means to do so?
It's easy to knock us, but it's a lot of work to have so many good teams in an agreement. it's a lot of work.
We're talking about 4 5 sister associations here, because not all of them are at the top every season.
A championship for 5 teams?
A bit ridiculous.

hazard14: Comme je le dis encore une fois si les grosses ententes arrivent à un tel niveau c'est peut être parce que elles s en donnent les moyens ?
C'est facile de nous taper dessus mais arriver à avoir autant de belle équipes dans une entente. , c'est beaucoup de boulot.
On parle la de 4 5 ententes sœurs car toutes ne sont pas au sommet chaque saisons.
Faire un championnat pour 5 ententes?
Un peu ridicule .

Not 5 all agreements 2 and 3 or put these agreements in d5 directly so that it doesn't distort the other agreements
At some point, you have to put yourself in the shoes of the small groups. Yes, it's hard work to have active members and great teams, but you're already taking a lot of members away from the small groups, which means you have to keep reinventing yourself
If you lose one or 2 members in a large association, they are quickly replaced
We'll never be able to compete with the small clubs, or we'll have to merge, but frankly I've already done that and it wasn't very good
We need to find a happy medium and it's not by leaving them in d2 or d3 that it will help things
Already limit to 1 sister agreement for example maximum
Disappear the 3 agreements
Then move the 2 groups down to d3 and then d4 and move the 1 groups up to d2 at least to have 3 clear divisions without a 2 group
Because at the moment we're going to look for the 6th, 7th and 8th associations, for example, to see who's going up

kiki-sainté: Non pas 5 toutes les ententes 2 et 3 ou alors mettre ces ententes en d5 directement histoire que ça ne fausse pas les autres ententes
A un moment donné il faut se mettre à la place des petites ententes oui c est du boulot d avoir des membres actifs et avec de belles équipes mais vous prenez déjà pas mal de membres aux petites ententes ce qui fait que forcément on doit se réinventer sans arrêt
Les grosses ententes si vous perdez un ou 2 membres ils sont vite remplacé
Chose que les pe

With all due respect, you're talking nonsense ....
I can tell you that when you look at the big agreements they all have almost the same number of players and if there are new players most of them have already come from another big agreement.
So you want to put all the 2 3 and div 5 or apart?
That means they'll have to pay for the smaller teams, most of whom, excuse me, aren't making much effort to develop.
I have another solution for you. Why do you think we're taking up all the space, and why don't you create a division especially for small agreements for those who want it?

hazard14: Avec tout mon respect tu dis un peu n apporte quoi ....
Je peux te dire que quand on regarde les grosses ententes ils ont quasi tous le même effectifs et si il y a des nouveaux la plupart viennent déjà d'une autre grosse entente.
Donc tu veux mettre toute les 2 3 et en div 5 ou à part?
Ça veut dire alors que eux vont payer pour les petites ententes qui pour la plupart excuse moi ne font pas beaucoup d effort pour se développer.
Moi j'ai une autre solution pour vous . Pourquoi vous que vou

So for you it's the small deals that are the problem? And then I'm the one talking nonsense 😁😁😁
A la base s'était une division spéciale pour les 2 et 3 m'as ça ne convient pas vous les mettre en d3 d4 ou d5 ça ne convient pas vous
We'll never make progress on this issue if no one makes concessions
The reputation of the big agreements is well established
I challenge you to make an agreement from scratch and to set up an agreement like in d1, it's totally impossible, there aren't enough members without an agreement and as said above, mergers aren't really for me and my members, I voted for them all
If I leave the presidency of the nwo, it's simply because I no longer have a solution to get the agreement up to a higher level, unfortunately I can't help everyone

kiki-sainté: Donc pour toi c est les petites ententes le souci ? Et après c est moi qui dit n importe quoi 😁😁😁
A la base s était une division spéciale pour les 2 et 3 m'as ça ne vous convient pas les mettre en d3 d4 ou d5 ça ne vous convient pas
On n avancera jamais dans ce dossier si personne fait des concessions
La réputation des grosses ententes n est plus à faire
Je te met au défi de faire une entente à zéro et de monter une entente comme en d1 ,c est totalement impossible,il n y a

NXS did it. SV did it. LGM did it...

At some point you might have to question yourself or your project?
Maybe it just doesn't interest managers with ambition, or who need to learn in certain areas, or financially, or maybe they don't trust you, or what?
Even so, if your only way of getting into D2 is to get rid of the 'sister' clubs, that's bound to leave you wondering. These agreements are obviously more competitive than your current project...
Ask yourself why these managers prefer these sister agreements to projects that are obviously not very convincing (in their eyes, I don't wish to judge).

If you fail, it's not necessarily the fault of others.
Once again, I've mentioned 3 agreements that have managed to climb steadily up to D1, and stay there... And yet there's this INSURMOUNTABLE obstacle of sister associations, unbelievable isn't it?

Magpie: NXS l'a fait. SV l'a fait. LGM l'a fait...

A un moment faut peut-être aussi te remettre en cause ou ton projet ?
Peut-être qu'il n'intéresse tout simplement pas les managers avec de l'ambition, ou qui ont des besoins d'apprendre dans certains domaines, ou financièrement, ou bien qu'ils ne te font pas confiance, que sais-je ?
Quand bien même, si, pour rejoindre la D2, ton seul moyen est de degager les ententes "soeurs", forcément ça laisse songeur. Ces ententes qui, visiblement, sont de

But I don't want to join the d2 this season and we're a long way from having the level
And as for the agreements you mentioned, they're all members of the big agreements that have made their own agreement, so they had quite a bit of knowledge about the game
At the start, my agreement was not to be there just for the money and to help those who wanted to stop playing to give them back a taste for the game
But the more it goes on, the more I want to stop, the more nothing goes right in my club, the more nothing satisfies me
I'm closer to the end of my vf career than the beginning, I've already done 127 seasons with my 2 accounts combined

Every season or so, the same debate, the same arguments.
There is no perfect model.
There are bound to be some unhappy people where there are happy ones...