Hello,

First of all, thanks to morten for taking on the admin role all these years. I hope you'll reconsider your decision, but if not, good luck to you.

I'm throwing a spanner in the works here, but to follow up on the post and the innuendo, isn't it going to become problematic to have so many members of such a big agreement on the admin team?

I know from experience that it's not easy to have to judge a case that concerns one of its members, I've only had to judge it a few times, but it was difficult. Fortunately, especially at the time, I was in a fairly consensual agreement and without too many members caught up in the waves.

I suppose at the very least in this kind of situation, the admins 'concerned' step aside to avoid any impartiality as far as possible, if only to avoid any problems of interpretation. That's the advantage of being a fairly large team. Morten's message makes me doubt it, but I could be wrong.

Mind you, that doesn't mean that the judgement isn't impartial or bad, but it might just make things a bit more tense, because of the lack of transparency.

Perhaps consider limiting the team to 1 member per agreement to allow all these issues to be managed calmly.

I'm not sure I understand everything.

Aymeric, the MDJ, says that the cheats who have been identified should be punished.

Among the cheats identified was a member of an agreement shared by two administrators who went against the MDJ's decision.

How can these people remain credible in their role from now on?

Thank you Morten for your work, and thank you for bringing to light these shadowy decisions that seem absolutely astonishing.

sora02: Je ne suis pas sûr de tout comprendre.

Aymeric, le MDJ, dit qu’il faut sanctionner les tricheurs qui ont été identifié.

Parmi les tricheurs identifiés, il y a un membre d’une entente commune à deux administrateurs qui sont allé à l’en-contre de la décision du MDJ.

Comment ces personnes peuvent rester crédible dans leur fonction dorénavant?

Merci Morten pour ton travail, merci également de mettre en lumière, ces décision de l’ombre qui paraissent absolument surprenantes

[color=red] Je t’...

(to support my point this kind of reaction)

I'm going to write two messages, the 1st entirely dedicated to Morten, thank you, thank you and thank you.
Thank you for your extraordinary work over all these years, a straightforward admin who was always available. We've been incredibly lucky to have you.
It would be a thousand times better if something else happened quickly to reverse a sad trend.
Thank you morten

Thank you for everything you've done, Morten.

Galywat: Hola,

Déjà, merci à morten pour avoir pris le poste d'admin pendant toutes ces années. J'espère que tu reviendras sur ta décision mais si c'est pas le cas, bon vent à toi.

Je pose un pavé dans la mare mais pour faire suite au poste et aux sous-entendus, est-ce que ça ne va pas devenir problématique d'avoir autant de membres d'une si grosse entente dans l'équipe d'administration ?

Je sais par expérience que c'est pas facile de devoir juger une affaire qui concerne un de ses membres, j'ai e...

More problematic than today?
Unfortunately, we can legitimately doubt it when we see what is happening today after even the Webmaster has given his opinion and his willingness to sanction.

It is logical, as in our society, that people with a conflict of interest should be excluded from any decision. But Vf is the logic sometimes...

In any case, thank you Morten,

it's a big loss for the Vfian community.

You managed to remain impartial and honest right up to the end - qualities that are becoming increasingly rare, whether in everyday life or in a game like VF, where it's often easier to change your mind when you're winning.

It's a shame that recent events have forced you to step down, given all the seriousness and energy you've invested in this game in the service of its community, and the passion you bring to your role.

We'll sorely miss your vision and experience of the elements that make up VF, and we'll all miss you.

It's a shame Morten did a good job, and it's also a shame that he cheats to be better than the others. I'd rather lose by being a good player than cheat and win everything, especially only to lose in the end.
If he's cheated, he gets a penalty, which seems perfectly normal to me. After all, I don't know all the cases, but it's a lot of people resigning on the administration side, after all it takes time and a lot of energy to make administrators, so well done to them.
And indeed I think that several administrators in the same agreement I'm not what that can give in terms of impartiality especially if it's people from your own agreement.
I spend a lot of time on the game so I could ask to be an administrator.
In any case thank you Morten

Have any sanctions been imposed?

Galy, I think the next anti-cheating admin should be a 3rd LR in case blue's opinion is too much to handle.

What I want most in the world is to have a 25-minute YouTube video number 2 from Teddy as soon as possible. There have been great moments of anthology on VF, often sporting, like the end of the cartel season. But his video is a direct top 10.

You can help yourself to 25% for the staff, which gives me great pleasure. I haven't been directly insulting, but Morten's resignation deserves a thousand bird's words and there really aren't enough millions in my well-stocked account to cover all the costs.

P.S thanks morten. I'm going to send you a 3rd wave of thanks, which you deserve.

Galywat: Hola,

Déjà, merci à morten pour avoir pris le poste d'admin pendant toutes ces années. J'espère que tu reviendras sur ta décision mais si c'est pas le cas, bon vent à toi.

Je pose un pavé dans la mare mais pour faire suite au poste et aux sous-entendus, est-ce que ça ne va pas devenir problématique d'avoir autant de membres d'une si grosse entente dans l'équipe d'administration ?

Je sais par expérience que c'est pas facile de devoir juger une affaire qui concerne un de ses membres, j'ai e...

Unfortunately the wrong admin has resigned.
Thanks Morten you always did a great job.
It would be nice if some admins took responsibility and resigned.
Especially if it would bring Morten back
Because apart from defending their friends and playing cowboy, I still haven't understood their purpose.
Yes, yes, Jeffus, I'm talking about you.

sora02: Je ne suis pas sûr de tout comprendre.

Aymeric, le MDJ, dit qu’il faut sanctionner les tricheurs qui ont été identifié.

Parmi les tricheurs identifiés, il y a un membre d’une entente commune à deux administrateurs qui sont allé à l’en-contre de la décision du MDJ.

Comment ces personnes peuvent rester crédible dans leur fonction dorénavant?

Merci Morten pour ton travail, merci également de mettre en lumière, ces décision de l’ombre qui paraissent absolument surprenantes

[color=red] Je t’...

Without defending anyone, it seemed to me that Morten's message was a bug, not a flaw. A bug that is going to be (or has already been, I don't know) punished. By a team, so I presume a vote!
You don't agree with this vote, it happens, it's the principle of having several decision-makers. It happens every day irl.

Anyway, we'll see if there's a new one and good luck to him.
And good GAME to everyone 😉

Thank you Morten. Your departure represents a - very - big loss for the game's management. I hope it's just a holiday, but I doubt it given the current climate in the game.

I think some people should think before they start talking nonsense.

For your information:
We've been working on this case since he left.
We have constantly gathered all the information at our disposal to come to a conclusion where there are disagreements.
A proposal for sanctions and corrections was put to the vote
Accepted by 4 votes to 1.
We need time to perfect a decision that will be taken and approved by the 4 remaining admins now that Morten has resigned.
I would like to remind you that clubs will be sanctioned according to the facts of the case and not by the nicknames of the people who run them. Impartiality starts here.

Additions will be made to the rules, rest assured.

Comments that have no place here will be dealt with on a case-by-case basis after this affair.

Jeffus tuchuss: Je pense que certain pourrait réfléchir avant de sortir des bêtises.

Pour votre information :
Nous travaillons sur cette affaire depuis son départ.
Sans cesse nous avons réuni toutes les informations à notre disposition pour arriver à une conclusion où il y a des désaccords
Une proposition de sanction et de correction a été émise au vote
Accepté à 4 voies contre une.
Nous avons besoin de temps pour parfaire une décision qui sera prise et approuvée par les 4 admins restant maintenant que ...

Personally, the fact that you and Socrates took part in the discussions, as you mention in your post, even though this is an explosive subject, seems to me to be an error of judgement and a lack of common sense given the current climate.

That's all I'm pointing out

Jeffus tuchuss: Je pense que certain pourrait réfléchir avant de sortir des bêtises.

Pour votre information :
Nous travaillons sur cette affaire depuis son départ.
Sans cesse nous avons réuni toutes les informations à notre disposition pour arriver à une conclusion où il y a des désaccords
Une proposition de sanction et de correction a été émise au vote
Accepté à 4 voies contre une.
Nous avons besoin de temps pour parfaire une décision qui sera prise et approuvée par les 4 admins restant maintenant que ...

Why 5 votes when there are only 4 anti-cheating administrators?
Can you justify your legitimacy in dealing with a case concerning a LR member when there are only 2 LR admins?

Thanks for everything Morten. Right in your boots until the end. Enjoy yourself without pressure now!

Could people stop looking for the small beast on this subject and simply thank Morten properly for his work during his mandate?

A big thank you Morten, whether it's in the area of anti-cheating or helping to organise federation matches.

Thank you for everything Morten. I can only understand why. You've always been upright, despite what some people have said in the past. The rest doesn't interest me much. But it's certainly a shame.

RomyTurtle: Pourquoi 5 voix alors qu'il n'y a que 4 administrateurs anti triche ?
Peut-on connaître votre justification sur votre légitimité à traiter une affaire concernant un membre LR alors que vous êtes 2 admin LR ?

Morten , blue , Socrate , blagoe and myself.

Sun's: Les gens pourraient arrêter de chercher la petite bête sur ce sujet et simplement remercier comme il se doit Morten pour son travail durant son mandat ?

Un grand merci Morten que ça soit dans le domaine anti-triche ou l'aide pour organiser les matchs de fédérations

Personally, I'll save my thanks for Morten, who will receive them directly in Mp. He has been a very good admin.

Now we're talking about cheating. You can't pretend that nothing happened to achieve such a result.
We mustn't let this become a constant habit that would tarnish the game's reputation. I don't know who's involved, and I don't want to know, I just hope it's not always the same people.

As said in mp, thanks for everything my morten.
Whether as admin , member or entente president, always pleasant and reliable 👍👏
See you tomorrow for your wank in IS, well if Nims stop touching his noodle 😄😘

Thank you Morten for your great work on the game. You're retiring from admins, it's a shame because you would have managed, I hope the next ones will be as efficient as you.

4-1; if you take out the two LRs, that's still 2-1. Unless the maths has changed.

Marcus Aurelius: 4-1 ; en retirant les deux LR ça fait toujours 2-1. À moins que les maths aient changé.

It's true that maths is important, but so is French. I'm asking for a justification of their legitimacy, I didn't mention the result.

RomyTurtle: C'est vrai que les maths c'est important, mais le français aussi. Je demande une justification sur leur légitimité, je n'ai pas évoqué le résultat.

I don't know what you're talking about, I didn't read your post.

@RomyTurtle

Thank you very much for all your hard work.
Lr or not lr, limitation has x members of agreement or not, it is nevertheless necessary to consider something which is not insignificant: how many people currently on VF have the experience, the desire, the capacity, the time to be admin?
Whatever the agreement, these people need to be thanked for giving up so much of their time voluntarily, and we need to show them our understanding, because if the admins give up or if, due to a lack of candidates, we end up with admins who don't have the shoulders for the job, this game that we love so much will fall apart.

Socrate: @RomyTurtle

You forgot poor michbou :(

A big thank you to you Morten for everything you've done for our community. I haven't had to ask much of you, but you've always responded with respect and kindness. I wish you all the best for the future and know that you'll always have your place among us 🙏

How can we be sure that there's no favouritism? How can we be sure that the sanctions are real and fair? .....bref This is not my battle, but I've always appreciated morten for his work.

Personally, I'm not going to send you a PM Morten... I'm sure you'll get lots of them, but my heart's in it, so thank you for your presence, your feedback and all the rest that goes with it ... and I sincerely hope you'll stick with the game ;)

However, being neutral (really), why a vote on a penalty?

It's written in black and white in the rules:

"Use of a bug or loophole
Any bug or loophole in the game must be reported to the anti-cheat admin and the game moderator. Deliberate use of a bug or loophole to gain profit is prohibited. In the event of deliberate use of a loophole, you will receive a warning + fine + deletion of the asset acquired thanks to the loophole. In the event of a repeat offence, your club will be reset or deleted directly.
Penalty scale (fine) : -50% of the bank

Already, when topics go day and night for one reason or another, there's something wrong.

Brutus: Perso, je ne vais pas t'envoyer de MP Morten... tu dois en recevoir plein mais le cœur y est, merci pour ta présence, tes retours au MP et tout le tralala qui va avec ... en espérant sincèrement que tu resteras sur le jeu ;)

Par contre, en étant neutre (vraiment), pourquoi un vote sur une sanction ?

C'est écrit noir sur blanc dans le règlement :

"Utilisation d'un bug ou d'une faille
Un bug ou une faille dans le jeu doit obligatoirement être signalé à l'admin anti-triche ainsi qu'au modérat...

Was there a vote for punishment or a vote for guilt?

It also says:
To avoid being punished, avoid responding to provocations. Remain silent and stop worrying about the person you are talking to, or contact an administrator.
Penalty scale (fine) : -25% of the bank

And the penalties have been withdrawn; but no one is shocked.

I don't know whether or not Jex was at fault. I don't know how the blind works, so I can't judge.
I think a lot of people think he's guilty just because he looks like the ideal culprit.

estac: Il y a eu un vote pour une sanction ou un vote pour désigner la culpabilité ?

C'est aussi écrit :
Afin d'éviter d'être sanctionné, évitez de répondre à des provocations. Gardez le silence et ne vous préoccupez plus de votre interlocuteur ou contactez un administrateur.
Barème de la sanction ( amende ) : -25% de la banque

Et les sanctions ont été retirées; mais la, ça ne choque personne.

Je ne sais pas si jex a commis une faute ou non. Je ne connais pas le fonctionnement du store, je n'ai ...

I'm shocked 😂

minadinho: Moi ça me choque 😂

Did you get your 134M back?

With interest?

We've barely had time to get back from the beach, open VF and read a cascade of messages to find that Morten, and then Jeff, have resigned.

The first thing I'd like to say is that the VF administration is losing two committed people who genuinely love the game and who have never cheated, either in their investment or in the game itself. The quality of each person's game will suffer as a result, and that's a great shame.

I know how difficult the job of administrator is, and I also know how much work it takes. Jeff has been here for almost a year, which some might say isn't very long. Having held the position for roughly the same amount of time, I can tell you that it's already a lot.

Morten, more than 4 years as administrator, I don't know if some people can imagine all the work that entails. And I'm obviously going to talk about him a bit more, as he's the one I've had the pleasure of working with as anti-cheating admin.

I don't think I've been an ideal collaborator, my temperament being a little too sanguine, which has sometimes led me to go off on tangents that aren't necessarily in keeping with my role. Despite this, Morten has always shown me his trust, patience and calm. Throughout this period, I've come to appreciate his acute sense of duty and justice, his temperance and his humanity. I think I have matured as a man through this position, and he has played a big part in that.

I wish Morten and Jeff all the best for their future in the game. I hope to have the pleasure of talking to them here for a long time to come, and why not play a great match. And I'd like to thank them for their work, which has helped to make the game healthier.

Please stay on topic and don't hijack it if you don't want it to be closed.

Marcus Aurelius: Tu as récupéré tes 134M ?

Avec intérêts ?

I even got some extra help 😜

Thanks for everything Morten. I don't know you too well in-game but the one time I contacted you by mp with a question you were very responsive. Someone who exudes integrity and devotion to his job as admin because he's so passionate about the game.
Your resignation is a real blow to the game, and it's even more distressing when we read the reasons for it in your post. We can understand that the MDJ has an opinion on the subject and guides you (without requiring it) in the decision to be taken according to the VF rules, and yet you haven't reached an agreement between admins. WAOW.
I don't think the whole community wants you to leave, as I do, but in any case I wish you all the best for the future!

Thanks for all your hard work, Morten, now your life will get easier.

Hello,
I think it's a shame it's come to this! But this situation will be repeated over and over again, as long as Aymeric doesn't take responsibility for the problems (bugs or flaws or ..) associated with his game! How can we ask players to volunteer their time to help him sort out his game design problems, without the admins' decisions being called into question for cronyism or jealousy with this community all the time! If Aymeric was reasonable, he could take on someone outside the game who would help him manage his game by actually paying him, by offering a 1/3 time or 1/4 time!
And that would avoid all these problems! If aymeric appoints player admins to this game, when's the next time there'll be a hint of impartiality in their decisions?
It's up to aymeric to choose what he wants for the regency of his game !!!!!!!!

Dismaying... from a simple game, for which we've been loyal for years, we end up with a new "affair" that hurts the admins of this game through stupidity and judgement.
To the admins: some have already pointed this out, as have I. You do an extraordinary job. As Jeff pointed out, you spend an incredible amount of time regulating and applying the rules. I personally remember Galy, who never counted the hours, who was extremely kind and available, and above all Morten, for whom I have the deepest respect. The man is fantastic and I salute him. He was LR (nobody's perfect 😉 ) but the teasing was always kind to him when he wandered around in sandals with his trophy in the LV 😅. He was always fair! No matter the affiliation! So yes, it's a great loss to our community if his decision stands.... from my point of view of course.

The other admins too, of course, I haven't forgotten you. We've met through our battles and we've responded to my very rare requests, but I know you a lot less.

Blue I'm not talking about you, we've known each other for 15 years and you've always been fair and your dedication extraordinary!

A45 is lucky to have you all and it deserves to support you! Ideally publicly, but privately would be a good thing.

Their work shouldn't be questioned! Especially in this kind of story.... if there's cheating, there's punishment. Full stop. And even heavier if the flaw has been known for a long time by the protagonists. And if there's innocence, and it's proven, then everything will be restored to its rightful place, along with an apology, and we'll move on.

All the best

Has Morten's resignation post disappeared?

Has he 'changed' his mind already?

If you look in the right place, you'll see that it's in the admins' info.

Marcus Aurelius: Le post de démission de Morten a disparu ?

Il a déjà « changé » d’avis ?

It's still there
On the other hand, many other posts have been deleted ^^
Nobody takes responsibility for their hatred

It's a good idea to take a look at the game to see if it's a good idea to take a look at the game to see if it's a good idea to take a look at the game to see if it's a good idea to take a look at the game to see if it's a good idea to take a look at the game to see if it's a good idea to take a look at it. I realize that has one thing that has never changed in the game is hatred or ill-wishing words one in towards the other it has more serious in life ex. A cancer or other. If he has cheated he has a penalty in addition provided in the rules. If you don't pay your taxes you get punished. You cheat you pay points even if the player has spent all his life on the game. For me the administrators do a good job sometimes the errors and human.examples I am a federal referee that happened to make mistakes that can put a football club in jeopardy because this error made them go down. It happens mistakes or bad judgment. Courage has all and good next season.

You're aware that you're playing a game and that whatever happens, it's not going to change anything in your life.
You've got to put things into perspective, though, because this is getting ridiculous.

Christopheetlucy: Vous êtes au courant quand même que vous êtes sur un jeu et que quoiqu'il arrive, c'est pas ça qui va changer quelque chose à votre vie.
Va falloir relativiser là quand même, car ça devient ridicule

+1

I've sometimes been very critical of the game's admin team (and I've grown up a lot since I wrote my paving stones...) but I have to say that Morten has always been an excellent choice, just like Galywat at a time when we needed to appease a community that wasn't always very friendly...
Two admins who got the job done, bearing in mind that Morten often took a back seat to the 'Agreements' aspect of the game. Although this may be annoying in order to justify impartiality, an admin is first and foremost a player and I don't see why they couldn't be part of the various communities.
If the admin team gets out of hand, Aymeric is entitled to take action and has done so in the past.

You need to know the story from the start and the different elements that led to this story. After that, I've never had any complaints about our team of administrators. After that, if someone doesn't do their job, they should be punished. If one of my employees makes a mistake I tell him and if it's too serious I punish him for making that mistake. After that, I don't know the story, so I can't judge. In any case, the administrators have my admiration for the work they've done, and well done to them.