What a way to end the season!
Following the misfortune of losing one of our members, we decided to try and play our way up to D1 for David.
We wanted our great comeback in D1 to go down in history, and we hoped that our mental strength would see us through to the end.
And despite a very difficult draw (6 IE out of the last 12 vs LGM including guys like Denonville, and so on), Torino Fleurus ... . And next to that, LFP could guarantee their promotion if they won their IS.
The end result was that we went up to D1, which was a historic achievement for us,
especially since the great COME BACK of the TGV we made :
1st D5, 1st D4, 2nd D3, 11th (I think) D2, 7th D2 (promoted to D1).
An incredible achievement despite our small numbers, but what really counts is the teamwork! :)

One thing we haven't forgotten is that we've won 12 or 13 IEs against the MGLs, something that our direct rivals have done very little of.

We'll be far from the best in D1, but our rise to the glory of David, to honour him, remains the most important thing.
We're on the big league, and no matter where we finish at the end of the season, the most important thing is to enjoy ourselves.

Congratulations ✌🏻

Congratulations on your promotion, and I wish you an excellent season in Division 1.

Congratulations to you all and a fitting tribute to David

Well done!

Congratulations on your tribute

Well done Magik for this rise 👍

Congratulations ✌️

Congratulations guys

Well done to you :) it makes you wonder about the 7th-placed team. Is there a plan to overhaul the cartel championship?

Congratulations to you

enzo30: Bravo à vous :) ça laisse songeur de faire monter le 7e du classement. Une refonte du championnat des ententes à prévoir?

Let's face it, in previous seasons it was usually the 8th or 9th team that went up ... Often it was something like 4-8-9 , 6-7-8 etc... Because the B teams were almost always in the top 5.
Last season, we were 1-5-7th.

1st LGM who will personally finish top 3 in D1 this season.
5th Euro United (we went up to D1 with them), a very solid team.
And we were 7th.

LR II finished 6th and RTG II 9th (LFP 8th and 4th out of the top 1 teams in D2).

What I also noticed was that the level in D2 was very even this season (apart from LGM, which was above everyone else). So, as I said above, in each of the previous seasons the 5 ententes II in D2 were above the others.
Maintenance was decided by more than 100 pts. The 14th finished with 106 pts. Maintenance was at 114 pts.
The top 10 at 127 pts.

In any case, thank you for your encouragement.

Magikcats: Faut se le dire, d'habitude les saisons précédentes c'était les 8 ou 9 eme qui montait ... Souvent c'était du genre 4-8-9 , 6-7-8 etc... Car les ententes B avaient quasiment toujours le top 5.
Là la saison dernière, nous étions 1-5-7 eme.

1er LGM qui personnellement finiront top 3 en D1 cette saison.
5 eme Euro United (nous sommes monté en D1 avec eux), une entente très solide.
Et nous 7 eme.

Les LR II ont fini 6 eme et RTG II 9 eme ( LFP 8 eme et 4 eme entente parmi les ententes

In my opinion, the d2 is of no interest in this form, and I think it would be better to modify it and create a special sister division, because in the end, the real d2 is the d3, which is much more interesting and popular.

Indeed ..
D2 is currently lacking in excitement because of this final ranking, which doesn't mean much once the season is over.
But we need to relaunch a project in the dedicated section of the Vforum and hope/expect A45 to look into it...
In any case, welcome back to TGV in D1

I've looked at a dozen or so sister agreements, I don't know if it's possible, but to make 2 divisions of 6 agreements with 1 up and 1 down and a championship title would, in my opinion, provide more of a challenge and would make division 2 more readable on the other side.

I'm not involved in the sister agreements, so this is purely an opinion from the outside.

But in my opinion, under this formula it would be a very tough competition

Socrate: Effectivement …
Actuellement la D2 manque d’engouement à cause de ce classement finale qui ne rime à pas grand chose une fois la saison achevée.
Mais bon faut relancer un projet dans la partie du Vforum dédié et souhaiter/attendre qu’A45 s’y penche dessus ..
En tout cas bon retour à la TGV en D1

I don't necessarily agree
If you can't beat the second/sister team, what are you waiting for in D1 when you go to play D1 and the other D1 clubs? Do the yo-yo like 90% of up-and-coming teams ...
You've got to stop trying to blame the sister teams all the time, it's not their fault that they're more invested than 3/4 of the teams in D2. It would be a good idea to start by playing your 100 ie rather than looking for a false excuse

Drezzo35: Je suis pas forcément d'accord
Si t'arrives pas a battre l'entente bis/sœur, qu attends tu en D1 quand tu vas jouer la 1et les autres clubs de D1 ? Faire le yoyo comme 90% des ententes qui montent ...
Va falloir arrête de vouloir toujours taper sur les ententes soeurs , c'est pas de leur faute si celles-ci sont plus investi que les 3/4 des ententes en D2 , déjà il serait bien de commencer par effectuer et jouer vos 100 ie plutôt que de chercher une fausse bonne excuse

Je ne suis pas d'accord avec toi car dans les ententes 2 voire 3 ,il y a des membres de la un qui veulent décrocher le jeu faire une pause d'une saison ou deux, mais ils gardent leurs équipes de d1
Already limited to one agreement 1 and 2 would not be bad and it is someone who had 5 agreements at the time of the dx family that tells you that
La où tu n'avez pas faux c'est pour le niveau de ces ententes, oui ça nous aide à avoir le niveau au-dessus mais quand tu tombes 40 matchs contre ces équipes là alors que tu montes de d3 ben tu redescends malheureusement sans avoir pu aider vos membres
Anyway, that's not the point, so well done to the tgvs!

Drezzo35: Je suis pas forcément d'accord
Si t'arrives pas a battre l'entente bis/sœur, qu attends tu en D1 quand tu vas jouer la 1et les autres clubs de D1 ? Faire le yoyo comme 90% des ententes qui montent ...
Va falloir arrête de vouloir toujours taper sur les ententes soeurs , c'est pas de leur faute si celles-ci sont plus investi que les 3/4 des ententes en D2 , déjà il serait bien de commencer par effectuer et jouer vos 100 ie plutôt que de chercher une fausse bonne excuse

There are a lot of clubs in sister agreements that shouldn't be there in view of their great teams, and should instead be in agreement 1

King: Il y a beaucoup de clubs se trouvant dans des ententes soeurs qui ne devraient pas y être au vu de leur belle équipe, et devraient plutôt être dans l'entente 1 ; sachant que les ententes 1 ne remplissent jamais leur capacité.

Félicitations à la TGV pour la montée.

And who's to say it's not the club's intention? 😉
Après chacun voit midi a sa porte , mais quand je vois zéro communication ou quasi sur le vforum ou le minichat , pas de discord actif et même pas 100 ie de jouer , clairement le problème est ailleurs que les ententes bis/soeurs
Besides, the few agreements that have done all this are now in D1 and we don't hear them complaining 😉

enzo30: La d2 n a auc8n intérêt à mon sens sous cette forme, il convient de modifier et de créer je crois une division spéciale entente sœur car au final la réelle d2 est plutôt la d3 avec bien plus d intérêt et d engouement.

You're right about one thing. Everything is complex.
First of all, there's no longer any sisterhood in D1, which is already a good thing.

kiki-sainté: Je ne suis pas d accord avec toi car dans les ententes 2 voir 3 ,il y a des membres de la un qui veulent décrocher le jeu faire une pause d une saison ou deux, mais ils gardent leurs équipes de d1
Déjà limité à une entente 1 et 2 serait pas mal et c est quelqu un qui avait 5 ententes à l époque de la dx family qui te dit ça
La ou tu n as pas faux c est pour le niveau de ces ententes , oui ça nous aides à avoir le niveau au dessus mais quand tu tombes 40 matchs contre ces équip

You've pretty much said it all.

-> The advantages of sister agreements in D2:

• Raising the level, but above all preparing well for D1.
  Because a number of 2nd-tier teams, such as the CPs, have a lot of teams that are at the level of a top 5 D1 team.
• We need to avoid having 2 or 3 teams with the same name in D1, as was the case in the past.

-> The disadvantages of sister agreements in D2:

• It gives less of a chance for Ententes 1 to be in D2 (11 now 10), so Ententes like KVF, which I found very competitive last season, totally belongs in D2, and I think will return to D2 in the pro season, but in reality totally belongs in D2 in the long term. Above all, as I said, maintaining a position with more than 100 points is rare!
• It distorts the final ranking a bit, because the 8-9th usually go up to D1, except last season.
• It doesn't give these members enough of an opportunity to think about moving to an agreement 1, which may be a little weaker and less rich, but which is in D1 or D2 (being in the LFL, I've seen several members move from LFLs which are in D1 to agreements 2 of the big agreements).

Now what happened last season and we saw it.
It's when there are agreements like LGM that are well up there with the top 3 in D1, which well ok we went up, we made 12-13 IE vs them. That's also a big factor in the rankings. They've proved that they're much better than any other grouping, including sisters.
When we look at our IE record against sister teams, and against LGM, there's no contest. We made a lot of points, and were on equal terms against sister agreements, whereas we made a 0 score against LGM because we were among the best VFs, and yet we made quite a lot of 1-2, 0-1. Just my IE yesterday (in semi afk), it was a close call.
So, one way or another, there are more or less sister agreements in D2.

What bothers me is that a lot of players still prefer to play in a 2 agreement rather than a 1 agreement in D1, often out of convenience.
I didn't mind playing in a sister league in IE

Well done!

@Drezzo
I don't have any problems with the sister agreements
It's just that with the current system, it's not rewarding for the 7-8-9s to go up every time
If you remove the sister agreements, the 7-8-9s will be 1-2-3 and will go up and down in the same way the following season, so I don't understand your argument on this subject.

It's just that I think it's more psychologically motivating for the lads to play for a title or the podium than just to play as many IE's as possible to get points and go up by finishing 8th
In any case, that's what a lot of managers and agreements who play in D2 are coming back to
I've never been in D2 since the ban was introduced.
So I don't have the opinion of a D2 gamer.

And I think that 2 teams in the same league playing each other in a real competition where finishing 1st would have something to show for it (achievements, money, players, etc.) would motivate them or keep them motivated a bit longer.
But I'm not taking shots at the sister teams, I think you've read my comments wrong or upside down, I don't know

Good idea 👍

King: Il y a beaucoup de clubs se trouvant dans des ententes soeurs qui ne devraient pas y être au vu de leur belle équipe, et devraient plutôt être dans l'entente 1 ; sachant que les ententes 1 ne remplissent jamais leur capacité.

Félicitations à la TGV pour la montée.

it's an absurdity, and so because they have the level of 90% of the agreements which have no atmosphere, no discord, etc. clubs prefer to be in an agreement no 2 which has a nice dynamic structure, rather than in a group of 15-20 who don't talk to each other. it doesn't cross your mind.

Fouine101: J’ai regardé il y a une douzaine d’entente sœurs je ne sais pas si c’est possible mais de faire 2 divisions de 6 entente avec 1 montée et une descente et un titre de champion rendrait à mon sens plus de challenge et permettrait de rendre la division 2 plus lisible de l’autre côté.

Je ne suis pas concerné par les ententes sœurs donc c’est purement un avis en regardant ça de l’extérieur.

Mais à mon avis sous cette formule ça serait une compétition très relevé

there might be something there to look into.

Rull43: c'est une absurdité, et donc car ils ont le niveau de 90% des ententes qui n'ont aucune ambiance, pas de discord, etc des clubs préfèrent être dans une entente no 2 qui a une belle structure dynamique, plutôt que dans une groupe de 15-20 qui ne se parlent pas. cela ne vous traversent pas l'esprit.

I don't understand the link between the sporting aspect, i.e. matches, and the organisational aspect of an agreement, through communication. I was talking about clubs in the same 1/2/3 agreement, and therefore all sharing the same discord or any other aspect of communication.

King: Je ne comprends pas le lien entre l'aspect sportif, c'est-à-dire, les matchs, et l'aspect organisationnel d'une entente, à travers la communication. Je parlais des clubs se trouvant dans une même entente 1/2/3, et donc qui partage tous le même discord ou tout autre aspect de communication.

Ok I understand in that case, but it's natural in that sense to play a top 15, 20 or 25. Clubs want to play a maximum of IE as everywhere. and so playing 8 IE with the 2, is better than playing 2 IE with the one. let's say I imagine.
Then, as you say, from a sporting point of view, the clubs that are going to play for IE are going to do their utmost to win the title.
i understand very well that the current system may seem flawed, but removing the No 2s isn't a solution either, let's say I don't have the solution, but I understand the debate.
what's more, we're not helping you, given that NV has just been created and we're creating a new 2 in D2. one more, just to piss you off.

Personally, I don't understand why we're creating a new agreement today without a lot of basic support, with so few active players in the game, and we end up stagnating with 10-15 members, and after a few seasons we start crying against the big agreements.
maybe we shouldn't create new agreements as well? Or try to merge, as we've just done, but people are often too proud or bearers of a historic agreement, they can't betray the history, and yet it's only a game, you have to enjoy yourself, so instead of letting yourself die... and moaning at others, try something different.

I think it's pretty crazy to complain about sister agreements when you can't reach the level when you only have one agreement...
Withdrawing sister agreements would do what for you?
Whether you finish in 1 d2 or 7 d2 you will still pay dearly in d1.
When I hear that some managers of entente bis will have to go into 1 or leave for another entente I laugh in advance.... maybe they'll also stay in 2 because it's deliberate and we're giving them the means to enjoy themselves.
You'd like to be able to compete with cp LR .... without doing anything we'd say.... The big agreements are not there by chance, there is a lot of work behind it, something that many people find hard to understand these days, the word work is scary....

I think that the sister agreements should be at the end of the division to give a reality of competition in d2 especially as the majority of the teams in d2 in the sister agreements are largely armed to play in d1
I have the impression that for some it makes it easier to pick up vf points
Playing is against agreements with 99 ng reveals the level of sister agreements and also certain teams...
Something to think about, gentlemen
Magik our win in is allows you to go up 😉
You can be proud of what you've achieved, because right up to the end you gave nothing away, and I agree with you because this victory has a special flavour ✌️

Let me come back to the basic subject,
I know we'll be the weakest team in D1 this season. Basically, we wanted to stay in D2.
But following David's death we wanted to do everything we could to climb to D1 for him, to honour him.
And we proved it because we succeeded.

I wish the TGV a good season in Division 1.

Louisvingtneuf: Je souhaite à l'entente TGV une bonne saison en division 1.

Thank you too for your new agreement

Magikcats: Je reviens au sujet de base,
Je sais que nous serons les moins fort en D1 cette saison. De base on jouait le maintien en D2.
Mais suite au décès de David nous avons voulu tout faire pour monter en D1 pour lui, pour le rendre honneur.
Et nous avons prouvé car on l'a réussit.

We read it right in the first message ^^

On behalf of the entire association, congratulations to the TGV for their fine second half of the season. They put in the right amount of energy at the right time and deserve their promotion.

I did try to get an IS win for the hVs in the last IS match on the last day of the season, but I got caught out pushing ^^

For the LFP, this is an opportunity to consolidate before moving up to D1. We've been yo-yoing too much recently, being a bit above in D2 (not above the B agreements, we agree) and then going back down because D1 is too tough. See you soon, in D1 or D2 💪🏻

Personally, I remember a time when lr2 was yo-yoing between D1/D2 and the level of D2 was really not great. I find the current system much better, D2 matches are often at a good level and it's more active than before.
The only downside is that beyond 8th place, teams should not be allowed to move up to D1. I sincerely believe that a 14th-placed team in D1 is better than a 9th-placed team in D2 (which has not necessarily prepared to move up), so in some seasons it would not be shocking if we limited ourselves to 2 moves up.

zejl: Personnellement je me souviens d une époque où la lr2 faisait le yoyo D1/D2 le niveau de D2 n était vraiment pas terrible. Je trouve le système actuel bien meilleur les matchs de D2 sont souvent de bon niveau et c est plus actif qu avant.
Seul bémol au delà de la 8eme place on ne devrait pas faire monter les équipes en D1 je pense sincèrement qu un 14 ème de D1 est quand meilleur qu un 9eme de D2 ( qui ne s est pas forcément préparé a monter en plus) donc certaines saisons qu on se l

To prove what you're saying, I'd propose a play-off between the 14th and the 3rd placed teams. This play-off would take place at the start of the season in the first 2 days of the season, or even the last day (but I think that would be more complicated)
And this would apply to all divisions, or we could go back to the situation where the Ententes 2 couldn't be the top 3 in the standings stuck in 4th place (but that would be a big mess, I think), or we could demote the Ententes 2 to D3 (which the Ententes wouldn't be happy about)
Or create a special division for sister associations or, lastly, leave things as they are and stop complaining if it's the 9th place that goes up, that's the way it is and too bad

Or, quite simply, with only 16 clubs in D1 to give the newcomers time to settle in, make only 2 ascents/descents (and I'm not complaining....)

zejl: Ou tout simplement avec uniquement 16 clubs en D1 afin de laisser aux nouveaux le temps de s installer ne mettre que 2 montees/descente (et ce n est pas pour râler....)

You're in a big agreement but being in a small agreement, being 3rd and having the possibility of going up, believe me, makes you happy
In any case each choice there will be dissatisfied but it is necessary to stop wanting to prohibit the rise to small agreements, it is necessary to know to make evolve the divisions
When I was a rtg I was against the descent of ententes 2 into d2, I changed my mind when I created my entente and saw the difficulty of being able to go up given the high level in d2 in particular
To be in d1, d2 it is necessary to have former members of big agreements thing that with the nwo one does not have because nobody wants to come for simple reason the project I created it with members resulting from the championship Picardie, members who wanted to stop the game as well as members whom I knew
Some people have told me we'll come when you're in D1 but for me it's not interesting, a project needs to be respected, so we're sailing between D2 and D3 without any big members
We see agreements being created after we move up to d1 (members who refused to come and play with us in d3 and who joined other projects)
Moving the 2s and 3s down to d3 would be a good solution, because at the time it was said that the 2s and 3s were spoiling d1, but now it's d2
The special intermediary classification of sister agreements would surely be the best solution because we had this debate a few seasons ago for d1 and if we drop them into d3 we are not safe from having the debate again in a few seasons

You may be the exception that proves the rule (and congratulations on your promotion)
But you also have to think about the agreements where the members are going to be discouraged by being systematically beaten in D1.
Just look at the number of games played by the bottom teams in D1
So it's precisely the sister associations that are excellent sparing partners for getting through to D1 - we're a strength, not a weakness

kiki-sainté: Pour prouver ce que tu dis la ,je propose de faire un barrage entre le 14 ème et la 3 ème montée ce barrage se ferait en début de saison dans les 2 premiers jour de la saison ,voir le dernier jour (mais plus compliqué je pense )
Et ceci serait applicable dans toutes les divisions,ou alors on y revient les ententes 2 ne peuvent pas être les 3 premiers meilleurs classement bloqué à la 4 ème place (mais ça serait un gros bordel je pense ) ou alors rétrogradé les ententes 2 en d3 (alor

A play-off? It seems complicated to me, except via an IS, but that's not necessarily representative of the level of an agreement.

Gerets: De la part de l’entente dans son entièreté, bravo aux TGV pour leur belle deuxième partie de saison. Ils ont mis l’énergie qu’il fallait au bon moment et méritent leur promotion.

J’ai bien essayé d’aller chercher la victoire en IS chez les hVs lors de la dernière rencontre IS le dernier jour de la saison mais je me suis fait avoir en poussant ^^

Pour la LFP, c’est l’occasion de consolider avant de remonter en D1. Nous avons trop joué au yo-yo ces derniers temps en étant

Many thanks :)

Congratulations

They're a pain at SNCF with their strikes

Rull43: c'est une absurdité, et donc car ils ont le niveau de 90% des ententes qui n'ont aucune ambiance, pas de discord, etc des clubs préfèrent être dans une entente no 2 qui a une belle structure dynamique, plutôt que dans une groupe de 15-20 qui ne se parlent pas. cela ne vous traversent pas l'esprit.

Nice remark but when entente 1 has only 20 members and entente 2 ,40 members it is also absurd 🙂

It's also that the core of competitors is tighter, kiki. 20 members in the entente fanion means an average of 5 IE each, and many are busier than that.

Azby: C'est aussi que le noyau de compétiteurs est plus resserré kiki. 20 membres en entente fanion c'est une moyenne de 5 IE chacun, et beaucoup sont plus chargés que ça.

I know all this tkt it's just to tease a bit 😁😁😁

Zeus: Ils sont pénible la SNCF avec leur grève

We're more the renfe for that