Galywat |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςHello Aymeric,
Following your message yesterday, and based on our experience – particularly last night – we wanted to see what would happen by changing tactics every two minutes during a match against an AFK and unbalanced opponent.
We did this in this particular match:
Every two minutes, we switched from attacking down the middle to attacking down the wings. (See the two stats sheets.) In both cases, we dominated completely, resulting in an average of at least 3.5 xG per match.
Here are the xG figures for the match (their progression throughout the match: 0.0 xG generated between the 25th and 90th minutes); this is mathematically impossible without data capping, and it cannot be a smoothing effect between the two stats sheets, as that would still have generated some xG. The AFK opponent showed a consistent trend
For comparison, a match with no changes:
This didn’t exist two weeks ago. So the question is: what should we do? Is it a bug? There’s no indication of this anywhere; you explained yesterday that there are no hidden variables, but in this case it’s hard not to see a hidden mechanism or a bug at play. Previously, we used to get a stat penalty with every change: that was tangible. Now the stats are excellent, but does any change block our actions for a certain amount of time? How long? When should we correct an imbalance? We need a guide to make sense of it all.
Thank you for taking the time to read this,
Galy
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gauthier80 |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςAs Alain Souchon would say: we’re done for
My VF’s hurting 😭
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Radio |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςI believe Aymeric mentioned that, although the changes to the statistics are instantaneous, it can take up to 10 minutes for the players to implement these instructions.
If instructions are changed every two minutes, and if we take his word for it, this could explain the absence of xG.
This is, of course, just a theory.
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Galywat |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςYes, that’s how I understood it too; the problem is that if that were the case, we’d essentially see a lag in the xG figures for this sort of match, not a complete absence.
Which suggests another phenomenon (or a bug).
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Radio |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςSauf si le fait de changer de consigne "réinitialise" le compteur de xG.
On peut imaginer (même si le parallèle avec l'IRL ne fait pas office de vérité) des joueurs perdus sur le terrain, incapables de mettre en place une consigne viable sur plusieurs minutes, voire même susceptibles d'être contrés.
Maintenant s'il s'agit d'un bug, attendons un retour du concerné.
estac |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςSoyez sérieux les gars.
Vous faites n'importe quoi en changeant de tactique constamment.
sora02 |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςI mentioned this in other threads, particularly when ced90 had his specific IS issue and Aymeric replied.
A script, or a variable, has been in place since around 8 September to reduce the probability of an event following a tactical change (perhaps offensive tactics only?)
This ‘script’ had been scaled back after 15 September.
It came back the day before yesterday or yesterday…
Three variables that are driving managers who want to play the game up the wall are now on this ‘new’ mdm.
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Nitnelav |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςMerci pour cet essai révélateur de la direction que prend le jeu.
Dans les faits :
- si je joue un AFK, je suis favorisé. Je peux ajuster ma tactique sans y toucher pendant 90 minutes. Rien de nouveau cependant.
- si je joue un actif et que je suis mieux placé que mon adversaire au coup d'envoi (la réciproque s'applique de la même manière), mon adversaire modifiera sa tactique pour me contrer offensivement et me mettre en défaut défensivement. Dans ce cas, soit j'accepte la situation, reste AFK, et mon adversaire est favorisé (cf. point 1) ; soit je modifie ma tactique pour le contrer offensivement et le mettre en défaut défensivement ; et ainsi de suite. Avec cet enchaînement de "n'importe quoi" comme le nomme Aymeric, nous allons droit vers un 0-0 avec des xG faibles même en cas de forte domination sur certaines actus.
sora02 |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςAnd in the end, the game (which isn’t really a game any more, as there’s no need to interact) punishes the two blokes sitting in front of their screens.
This is completely at odds with the notion of enjoyment
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Deck |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςMerci pour les essaies les gars.
En conclusion on a un affichage des modifications visible à la seconde mais qui s'applique après 10min.
Ça veut donc dire qu'entre deux actifs, je pourrais laisser un autoroute dans mon axe pendant 9min (partir déféquer ou jouer à un autre jeu) puis revenir, bloquer axe et hop j'ai ruiné 9min d'attaque de mon adversaire (et inversement)
Il passerait alors en Attaque ailes et là ! Je peux repartir 9min avant de lui bloquer les ailes
Ainsi de suite. On a donc besoin de 10actus de 9min pour bloquer un match complet et empêcher toutes prises en compte du MDM pendant 90min.
C'était déjà souvent la loterie mais la il restera qu'un espoir de but à 0,02xg si on refuse de bouger en Attaque.
Il va falloir s'habituer aux 0-0...
On peut proposer un projet d'amélioreration pour les penaltys pour les coupes de la saison prochaine ?
Radio |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςLes modifications affichées indiquent un changement de rapport de force, ça ne veut pas dire que tu vas forcément marquer immédiatement parce que tu enfonces l'axe quand l'adversaire défend sur les ailes. Rien ne dit d'ailleurs qu'à ce moment-là du match ton équipe a la possession du ballon. C'est un indicateur.
Alexandre67310 |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςSo it’s rubbish. Thanks for finally confirming that.
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RMP-Val |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςIn the example from this morning, you can see that I didn’t generate any xG, despite having 80 to 85 per cent possession over 65 minutes. I literally have a better chance of winning the EuroMillions twice than of not having a single chance created in my favour with that level of possession.
Yet, two weeks ago, that would never have happened. Whether we were moving the ball regularly or not, every chance inevitably generated xG for one side or the other, and that might or might not have turned into a chance or a goal.
So, what happened between the 25th and the 90th minute? Only Aymeric has the answer.
Aymeric said: “The latest changes made to the game are purely cosmetic, including the presentation of match statistics. They simply reproduce information that was already visible elsewhere.”
It has to be said that this isn’t true, or else it’s an unintended bug.
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Lebaygue |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςI hope Aymeric will provide you with an answer; it’s been a week now that 50 clowns on VF have been on anti-anxiety medication and have been rambling on about the same thing throughout every thread…Next up is the CGT’s stance (via a vote or referendum that’s bound to be rigged by the clout of the D1 alliances and their sister organisations).
He’s already replied twice (admittedly not in your favour so far), and the problem is that the more he replies, the more he’s pestered… The line between persistence and harassment is a fine one.
What you’re still missing is that there’s no doubt some people are already analysing all the match data using AI and the like, so fear not – the higher-ups, not to mention the current desperate lot (who are prepared to draw a parallel between watching a match on VF and jumping off a bridge),you’ll soon realise when it’s time to make tactical changes despite the automatic display.
In any case, I hope he’ll let you simmer like a nice little dish before giving in to your demands… Which, unfortunately, I have no doubt he will.
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Uzzego27 |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςWhat does being like this actually do for you in your personal life? I mean, you’ve just posted this message – which must have taken you five minutes to write – do you feel any better now? It’s fine if you have differing views – everyone’s entitled to their own opinion – but this way of talking every single time is unbearable. I genuinely think you’re a nasty piece of work and that you’re not even trying to put forward your views properly.
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Demi-cerveau |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςThere’s a sense of public welfare in Lebaygue’s posts. Of course, they’re written in his usual, ever-biting style, but he consistently encourages everyone to take a step back, and that does you good.
Even so, shouldn’t we tone it down a little? Aymeric has said he’s thinking about the tools he can give us to improve readability on the MDM. He’s clearly working on these issues. Do you really think you’re advancing your cause by constantly hounding him?
The test carried out by the clubs in the circle and presented by Galy is interesting. It’s worth thinking about, and I think it deserves a response from Aymeric. But is it really productive to pile on yet more layers with comments like “we’re all going to leave”, “we’re all going to jump off a bridge”, “this is rubbish”, “we need to go back exactly as we were before!” or “he lied to us”?
I don’t know – take a deep breath, pull yourselves together a bit. Bring the interesting information to the fore. Right now, everything is being drowned out in a sea of complaints, grumbling and whingeing. It won’t get you anywhere.
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Radio |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςIt’s because you’re one of the complainants that you think like that. As for the rest of you, your misdeeds weigh heavily.
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sora02 |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςOr perhaps we can all see the disaster looming with this update
I’ve been playing the game for a few years now, and seeing such unanimous opinions from blokes who’re not exactly known for getting on with one another makes me think that, actually, we can’t be quite as daft as you seem to be implying.
Well, there are certainly plenty of people who killed Joan of Arc on the pretext that they thought she really was a witch
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Alexandre67310 |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςC’est pas en utilisant des mots « compliqués » que ça te donnera raison.
Radio |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςNo one is implying that ‘you’ are daft, but we are clearly urging you to be patient.
Between jumping to conclusions and predicting the worst for a game that’s already had its fair share of ups and downs, you sound more like Abbé Cauchon than Joan of Arc.
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Brutus |
πριν από 2 ημέρεςJe t'aime mon bourguignonpréféré, tu lis dans mes pensées 🤙
Après, je n'aurais pas dis mieux que Demi en réponse, j’ai bien fais de faire l'impasse hier !
Je t’aime aussi Demi, sois pas jaloux 🥰😁
seblelionnais |
πριν από 3 ημέρεςThey’re future stars, seeing as they’re holding their own against opponents twice their strength!
And even then, he still managed to make an impact because his stats dropped following… two injuries XD
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zejl |
πριν από 2 ημέρεςIt may be a bit memory-intensive, but a tactical change sometimes involves adjusting substitution instructions, positional changes, and so on…
Ideally, it would be good to be able to make all the changes in memory, then confirm them, so that all these modifications are applied in a single transaction – even if this means limiting the system to just one transaction every two minutes.
On the front end, we’d probably need to have the instructions, substitutions and positional changes all on the same screen – but would that really be such a big deal?
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Nitnelav |
πριν από 2 ημέρεςzejl |
πριν από 2 ημέρεςJe ne parle que pour moi mais perso je joue sur tel et j ai pas 90mn a fond a consacrer sur un match du coup soit des matchs de 15mn vraiment a fond ou des matchs de 90mn mais avec un seul lot de modifs toutes les 5mn ça me conviendrait très bien , ou autre idée des sessions de 3mn en alternance pour chaque joueur (où pareil je valide mon lot d un coup) bref des matchs moins chronophages qui permettent de m amuser mais sans cette obligation d être les yeux braques sur mon tél 90mn je prends
Homermmm |
πριν από 2 ημέρεςYou’ve got to go along with it. Can you imagine if everyone were to dictate their own preferences to Aymeric for X reason? He’d go mad, mate. He does things for the majority, not for the sake of individualism.
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zejl |
πριν από 2 ημέρεςYes, perhaps I didn’t express it very well, but what I meant was that it’s likely that a great many players on VF (apart perhaps from the top 20 players) come just to have fun, and if you have to be glued to your screen 100 per cent of the time for 90 minutes almost every two days – or even more often – it can still put a lot of people off, especially as the match times are set by the game; in short, all of this places a serious strain on players, and when a game becomes too restrictive, people give up – which is why I think, in part, Aymeric has made the recent changes.
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Homermmm |
πριν από 2 ημέρεςYes, I understand. But there’s nothing you can do about it. You’ve got to adapt and find a way for your team to get a good result without you there. I do understand, though – but that’s just how it is until Aymeric decides to make that sort of change. Honestly, whether I’m there or not, I prefer the full 90 minutes because you’ve got plenty of time to work out a strategy.
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