Good evening, Aymeric

I see you’ve corrected the CDF level for this club, which benefited from the return-to-VF support programme, by changing it from level 13 to level 10. That’s only fair – thank you for taking action.
However, the juniors identified through the talent scouting programme haven’t had their potential downgraded. Will it stay that way? It’s only natural for the manager to keep the juniors he’s scouted, but not at level 13 potential.

If this is to remain the case, I’d like to highlight the risks this will entail.
For example:
I’m at level 10; I have a generation of players who’ll all be retiring within a season. It’s time to start thinking about rebuilding the next generation. After all these years on VF, I could do with a little two-month break myself. What’s more, when I come back in the middle of autumn, I’ll be able to benefit from the return support programme. In a few days, I’ll have my Level 13 CDF, or even higher (apparently up to five level gains, so potentially Level 15). I’m focusing on scouting to build a CDF with 16 juniors born in ’87, ’88 and ’89 – or even many more if I reach CDF level 15.
Not to mention the free ’90s players who’ll be the icing on the cake.
My CDF will be reset to level 10, but my juniors will still be there.

I’ve got nothing against the club in question, but if the juniors stay as they are, we’re heading straight for having to organise voluntary breaks. In fact, that’s almost certainly already the case.
The comeback programme is over-the-top: 5 level-ups, several NG 90s, bonuses!!!! It would take years of playing in normal mode to achieve similar gains.

Thank you for your attention.

As for the CDF players, even if the manager didn’t do it on purpose, I also think their detection potential should be reset to 10 at the CDF rather than 13.

As for the free 90NG players, why not ‘tie’ the players to the club and prevent them from being transferred? That could at least prevent any abuse or suspicion.

Exactly, that’s the solution that’s already been proposed for the NG90s on offer

I think there was a bug in the programming of the additional CDF levels beyond level 10; otherwise, Aymeric wouldn’t have taken away three CDF levels from him.

All players with a potential higher than 84 in their CDF are there because of the bug.
I’ve got nothing against Mauve, but letting them off would set a precedent, and it would be difficult to penalise anyone who’s taken advantage of a bug.

I understand the principle, but don’t you have anything better to do than take such a keen interest in three players whom the wealthiest clubs will quickly snap up?

Damien2911: Je comprends le principe mais vous n'avez pas d'autres chats à fouetter que de porter autant d'intérêts à 3 joueurs sur lesquels les plus fortunés sauteront rapidement dessus?

It’s a question of fairness, it seems logical to me that such a significant bug – one that could make the club in question incredibly wealthy given the potential – should be addressed by A45. Furthermore, some players who have exploited bugs in the past have been penalised for gains far less substantial than a CDF full of 87/88/89 players (I don’t want Mauve to be penalised – far from it – but the players’ potential does need to be adjusted).

Damien2911: Je comprends le principe mais vous n'avez pas d'autres chats à fouetter que de porter autant d'intérêts à 3 joueurs sur lesquels les plus fortunés sauteront rapidement dessus?

Three juniors?
I suggest you count again. It’s not three but 14 juniors from the talent-spotting programme who aren’t living up to their potential. The 15th, pot80, was already in his CDF.

Personally, I’m in favour of everyone being able to build CDFs at level 13 and ‘produce’ youngsters with ratings of up to 89 or 90.
At the moment, we’re seeing a build-up of young players capped at 83 or 84.
Take a look at the contents of the youth squads at all the top clubs in the game – they’re all exactly the same: a dozen or fifteen young players who are almost all identical (in terms of potential).
We need to completely overhaul the youth system and broaden the range of youth squads… unless the aim is for there to be 500 level 10 youth squads in the game, each producing two or three level 82 to 84 players every season.

Mauve has been requesting this since Day 1 and is waiting for his players to be readjusted to a CDF.10.
If I’ve understood correctly, only a45 can carry out this process.
Internally, we’re all in agreement that the logical course of action is to reduce potentials to the value of a CDF10

Now, we can’t force Mauve to discard his scouting reports; he’s getting back into the game, has been scouting like everyone else, and if we empty his CDF, we’ll be ruining his comeback.

So we’re waiting, but then again, I think this is the third VFO thread? Send me a private message if you want any info…

You weren’t in such a hurry for a rebalance when there were bugs with the 70 coefficients (which, incidentally, were never fixed).

myforsans: Moi je suis pour la possibilité que tout le monde puisse bâtir des cdf niveau 13 et "pondre" des jeunes allant jusqu'à 89 ou 90.
Actuellement on assiste à une accumulation de jeunes bridés à 83 ou 84.
Allez voir le contenu des cdf de tous les bons clubs du jeu, il y a exactement la même chose dedans : une douzaine ou une quinzaine de jeunes quasi tous pareils (en potentiel).
Il faut revoir complètement la pyramide des jeunes et élargir la palette des cdf,.... à moins que le but soit que dans ...

And so we’d end up with 500 CDF Level 13 players with potential ratings of 89–90; it would be exactly the same, but with higher potential ratings.

I’ll repeat once again what the situation is regarding Mauve players: all the admins would like Mauve players to be adjusted to the potentials they would have had if they were at level 10. We’re in agreement on that.
We do not have any conversion table, so it is impossible to say whether a potential of 89 for a CDF 13 corresponds to, for example, a potential of 84 for a CDF 10. And even if we did have such a table, we have no way of adjusting the CDF. Only Aymeric can do that. He’s aware of the situation as we’ve discussed it with him internally; there are also several open threads on the VFO dealing with this.

If Aymeric takes action, so much the better. If Aymeric doesn’t take action, so be it. The decision is his, and even if it results in an injustice, we’ll just have to accept his decision.
You know as well as I do that Aymeric sometimes takes a while to deal with certain matters, so let’s just wait patiently and see what happens.

Nicularo: Et du coup on aurait 500 CDF niveau 13 avec de des jeunes de potentiel 89-90, ce serait strictement pareil mais avec des potentiels plus élevés.

Je vais répéter une nouvelle fois ce qu’il en est concernant les joueurs de Mauve : l’ensemble des admins aimeraient que les joueurs de Mauve puissent être modifiés avec les potentiels qu’ils auraient du avoir s’il était niveau 10. Nous sommes d’accord la dessus.
Nous n’avons aucun tableau de correspondance et donc il est impossible de dire si un p...

If I’ve understood correctly, if Aymeric doesn’t step in, are you going to let him keep the players?

Doesn’t it bother any of you that a club is exploiting a bug in the game?
What about fairness?

Mauve showed honesty by coming forward on the first day of the season (even though the issues had been detected well before that…), but that’s no reason to let him reap the benefits of the bug.
No one is asking for him to be penalised; we simply want a fair and equitable decision.

The atmosphere on the forum and in the game has been pretty good for several seasons now.
This is clearly an issue that could create a bad atmosphere.

Or we could force Mauve to sell all his youngsters to LR ^^

estac: Si je comprends bien, si Aymeric n'intervient pas vous allez lui laisser les joueurs ?

Ça ne dérange aucun d'entre vous qu'un club tire profit d'un bug du jeu ?
Que faites vous de l'équité ?

Mauve a fait preuve d'honnêteté en se manifestant le 1er jour de la saison (même si les détections ont été faites bien avant...)mais ce n'est pas une raison pour lui laisser le bénéfice du bug.
Personne ne demande qu'il soit sanctionné, nous voulons seulement une décision juste et équitable.

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I said that all the admins would like these players to be adjusted to have reduced potential. So yes, it bothers us, but it’s Aymeric who decides and, whatever happens, we’ll go along with his decision because we have no say over the CDF.

We’re perfectly entitled to hold a view that differs from Aymeric’s – which is the case here – but if he decides to let him keep the players, we won’t go against his decision.

Oh, a third post just to vent all that jealousy.

But don’t you just want to wait for things to sort themselves out?
Mauve asked for some information and whether the MDJ could restore the players to their normal potential. In the meantime, he’s just frozen his CDF
Rest easy, it’s being sorted.

What happens next will depend on A45.
We’ve, of course, suggested he bin them. But then he’d be left with nothing.
So he’s decided to contact A45 to see what to do. Can you just wait for a reply, or are you going to start a fourth thread because you can’t sit still?

Let things sort themselves out?

As for the “CP” (since he’s a CP member), we can’t force him to do anything. But of course, we’ve all been advising him the same thing for a long time now. And right from the very first warning PM (an admin can confirm this)
But all we can do is suggest it (strongly). Mauve remains the only one to take action.
But for goodness’ sake, let him sort out his own affairs.

So is it OK to start threads for every player who’s been unfairly affected by a bug, or shall we stick to being reasonable as we have been for several months, letting things sort themselves out calmly?

Let’s let things take their course; this has been requested for a long time, without needing to make a fuss about it

Ladies and gentlemen; (though that’s never the case) :)
It would be best to leave this thread of complaints about a club (which is innocent until proven guilty) as it is; so let’s leave this thread pending Aymeric45’s decision. HE’S BEEN WARNED, right? So let’s be patient.
Thank you

Aymeric, we need to do something quickly. Either we can lower the stats of the players from the Mauve CDF, or he’ll have to remove them – but act fast, or you’ll have to organise some psychological support to help our players cope with the agonising wait, as they’re already becoming a bit scarce.

@ Nicularo
No, not at all – there wouldn’t be hundreds of young players born in ’89–’90 if, as I suggest, the probability pyramid for recruiting or identifying them were reviewed at the same time.
At the moment, everyone has a Level 10 CDF, and anyone with a Level 10 CDF who puts in even a minimal amount of effort into the game is recruiting or spotting 82–83-year-olds in droves.
So, as a result, in 5 or 6 seasons’ time, all the ‘big’ clubs will have fairly comparable squads.
With CDFs going up to 13 or, why not, 15, and a pyramid predicting that, across all clubs, around ten 90s, fifteen 89s, twenty 88s and so on will be recruited or scouted each season… that would be more “exciting”, wouldn’t it?

myforsans: @ Nicularo
Non pas du tout il n'y aurait pas des centaines de jeunes 89 - 90 si comme je suggère la pyramide des probabilités d'en recruter ou d'en détecter était revue parallèlement.
Actuellement tout le monde a un CDF niveau 10 et toute personne qui a un CDF niveau 10 et qui s'investit un minimum dans le jeu recrute ou détecte des jeunes 82-83 à foison.
Donc résultat dans 5 ou 6 saisons, tous les "gros" clubs auront des effectifs assez comparables.
Avec des CDF allant jusqu'à 13 ou pourquoi...

Well, you’re still forgetting to factor in the new clubs, which would be starting from an even bigger disadvantage and might get frustrated and give up even sooner. The game does need to bring in some new players if it’s to stand the test of time.

New clubs (or ‘re-established’ clubs) benefit from a wide range of support measures that enable them to boost their finances at lightning speed.
But is it in everyone’s best interests (both new and established clubs) that, in just 5 or 6 weeks, you can ‘build’ a club that’s on a par with – or even better than – a ‘normal’ club that’s been in the game for 5 or 6 years!

myforsans: Les nouveaux clubs (ou les clubs "de retour") bénéficient de plein d'aides diverses et variées leur permettant dejà de monter leurs finances à la vitesse de l'éclair.
Mais est ce l'intérêt de tout le monde (jeunes clubs et vieux clubs), que tu puisses en 5 ou 6 semaines "monter" un club égal ou supérieur à un club "normal" qui a 5 ou 6 ans sur le jeu !

What about clubs that have been around for about a year?
What benefits do they receive?
It’s tough to set up a CDF Level 7 or 8 club with tens of millions of euros without any ‘help’!

Let’s not lump everyone together; the situation in France isn’t all black and white.

myforsans: Les nouveaux clubs (ou les clubs "de retour") bénéficient de plein d'aides diverses et variées leur permettant dejà de monter leurs finances à la vitesse de l'éclair.
Mais est ce l'intérêt de tout le monde (jeunes clubs et vieux clubs), que tu puisses en 5 ou 6 semaines "monter" un club égal ou supérieur à un club "normal" qui a 5 ou 6 ans sur le jeu !

Which new club can match the established clubs in 5 or 6 weeks?

Magpie: Oh, un 3e post pour exprimer toute sa jalousie.

Mais vous ne voulez pas juste attendre que les choses se reglent ?
Mauve a demandé des infos et si le MDJ pouvait remettre les joueurs à leur potentiel normal. En attendant, il a juste figé son CDF depuis.
Dormez sans crainte, c'est en cours.

La suite sera vue en fonction d'A45.
On lui a bien entendu suggéré de les mettre a la poubelle. Mais dans ce cas là il se retrouve sans rien.
Donc il a préféré contacter A45 pour voir comment faire. Vous ...

I started this thread so that Aymeric is aware of the risks he’s taking if there’s no planing. Keep your jealousy to yourself!
The clever ones will time their VF break to take advantage of the return programme and also get juniors in the 86–90 bracket by boosting their CDF.

It was also started because the other two have already been closed. It’ll be reopened a fourth time if this one gets closed, as we need to be able to call Aymeric to account.

I find it amusing that you’re bringing up the slippery subject of jealousy. Historically on VF, during certain controversies, the group you represent wasn’t the last to speak up and demand answers. CP, LR, LV, Cercle... we’ve all always spoken out when there was an issue of fairness.

We’re asking for fairness, nothing more.

Thanks to the admins who’ve taken the necessary action on this matter. Thanks also to them for not closing this thread so that we can get an update on the outcome of this case.

Thank you all for your patience; the CDF players had their hair cut by Aymeric today, as planned.