Welcome VF!

Well, I'd just banned myself from the VFO 😅 but for the occasion, and the live show brought to us by Colombpal (thanks to him 🙏), I'm getting out of my hole and putting down my annual paving stone 📜.

I picked up the game 4 years ago. The game has changed a lot and continues to take a turn that I would describe as "Bridging".

All aspects of the game seem to be gradually nerfed (michbou, ask Google what that means 🤓).

Many of us are here for the training and/or tactical aspect ⚽. But it has to be said that there's not much left to do in those areas....

Some changes have pleased some people 👍, others less 👎, but they all go in the same direction = limiting our possibilities in the game.

🔹 TACTICAL

**-Decrease in the impact of styles
Little by little we're reducing the impact... and soon we'll lose their interest 😕. Yet they were already limiting and counterproductive.

-Stats penalty if you intervene in a match

-Reduction (or even murder) of goals.

I'm not necessarily a fan, but it was an interesting tactical option that could be used. Today, it's useless.

-Disappearance of XGs during the match (in French)

You could choose to use them or not, but why remove them? 🤔 Let's leave the choice, like 3D.

-Impossibility of fielding 5 strikers

Another option gone...

🔹 TRANSFERS

-Restore tables

Imbuvables for managers , not at all in line with the market.

-Taxes and deadlines all over the place.

This limits buying and selling enormously. The idea is to get money out of the game, ok... but it also reduces the means of development for small, motivated clubs.

-Affinity

An interesting tactical concept 👌 but one that has completely destroyed transfers... especially for older players who have to adapt for 1 whole season .

🔹 CDF

-Number of detections nerfed

Why? Even if I've never done one, how is it a problem that an ultra-invested player ⏳ finds better youngsters than someone who clicks 3 times/season?

-Recruiter > Detection

A recruiter (or a simple U17 tournament) brings back better youngsters, in one click .

-Regression to 30 years

The latest innovation... So why not add reg30s to match the VFstore, but why so many? This weekend we're at over 80% reg30...
We form 7 seasons to enjoy 6?

🔹 TRAINING

-The earlier players come out, the worse they'll be.

Why? We wanted to diversify the ages, ok, but a player trained 56 days longer would therefore be less good? Strange logic...
👉 Give me back my crazy J1 with 17-year-old releases everywhere and a transfer market on fire!

No more old-fashioned curves

Today all players train the same... monotonous . Give me back the Loga, the Expo, what an era! 😍

-No more leverage

Playtime is insignificant, EC stocks impossible... What are we left with? Click once a day on an EC...

**-EC restriction

No more manual % dosing... we just click stupidly, and if we go over, we get XP back. Don't think too much about it.

-Introduction of "Medical Visit" and "Delay ".

OK for reality, but... it's a game! Who enjoys seeing their player randomly punished for being late? 😑

🔹 OTHER

-Donation of funds to agreements

3 pts max per friendly
Much slower progress for newbies and the grail level 7. We used to progress 10pts by 10pts

-VFO
Even now, we feel restricted... we don't dare express ourselves or tease. (Well, that doesn't really concern me 😏).

To sum up :

I've made some quick notes but I'm sure I've forgotten a few things. Almost all of these nerfs came about as a result of a complaint from ONE isolated manager or to prevent abuse by another... Result: everyone is penalised, and our freedom to play is being reduced day by day.

The game seems too hard/long for newcomers, but too boring/leverless for old/regular players.

So I'm opening the debate 💬 am I the only one who sees things this way, or can we work with the MDJ to find solutions?

I'm not saying it's all bad, I've made a list, and quite a few changes help the admins, but as a manager, I don't feel like I'm doing much for the game any more...

(The "if you don't like the game anymore, you can stop" won't help 🙃).

Signed an old nostalgic who wants to have fun

As I have always said and defended with conviction and respect. We need to re-establish the old Version in terms of training, as well as the three curves (loga, kiné and expo).
Personally, if a club doesn't have the means or simply doesn't want to invest in the blind on principle, it has become complicated for everyone to earn money and help these youngsters progress. We all have an IRL life outside the game, but I get the impression that this new version is designed more for those who have IRL time.
And I agree with you about buying and selling.
But, as you've seen, there's already been a lot of improvements over the years, so I don't think that's going to be on the agenda 😅 although I dare to hope so, because having fun with a game should be what drives our favourite GMs!

Deck: Bien le bonsoir VF !

Bon, je m’étais auto-banni du VFO 😅 mais pour l’occasion, et le live que nous propose Colombpal (merci à lui 🙏), je sors de mon trou et viens poser mon pavé annuel 📜.

J’ai repris le jeu il y a maintenant 4 ans. Le jeu a beaucoup changé et continue de prendre un virage que je qualifierais de « Bridage » .

Tous les aspects du jeu semblent peu à peu être nerfés (michbou, demande à Google ce que ça veut dire 🤓).

Nous sommes beaucoup à être ici pour l’aspect formation ...

hi
You have summed it up very well, the few members who are still fighting to get 1vf say free are no longer counting on 2 hands, everything is becoming complicated and thank you for this presentation which sums up what the silent community thinks.

Yet another open letter to Aymeric or pleas about his game! But in the end, what's left? Not much, because the willingness to communicate or answer questions about the game has always been inadequate, if not virtually non-existent. And yet a lot of things would be clearer or more understandable for all managers, but you have to accept that or resign yourself to it!
For my part, I deplore the fact that this inexorable decline in the game is due to a lack of futility and ease - in short, important elements for a game whose essential aim is the pleasure it provides.

Deck: Bien le bonsoir VF !

Bon, je m’étais auto-banni du VFO 😅 mais pour l’occasion, et le live que nous propose Colombpal (merci à lui 🙏), je sors de mon trou et viens poser mon pavé annuel 📜.

J’ai repris le jeu il y a maintenant 4 ans. Le jeu a beaucoup changé et continue de prendre un virage que je qualifierais de « Bridage » .

Tous les aspects du jeu semblent peu à peu être nerfés (michbou, demande à Google ce que ça veut dire 🤓).

Nous sommes beaucoup à être ici pour l’aspect formation ...

That sums it up perfectly, and that's exactly why I'm planning to stop watching it in VF, because it's no longer of any interest.

Question 🤔🦧👁️ why quote me???
When I said nothing 🐓

Perfect summary :D
President's Deck !!!!

THE WORST THING IS 5 STRIKERS WHEN WE CAN STILL FIELD 5 DEFENDERS 🥳

LOGIC RESPECTED 😂😂

What to say except bravo everything has been said nothing to add
The game is losing its splendour, it's time to restore vf's image 🙂

Eden Hzrd: LE PLUS GRAVE EST 5 ATTAQUANTS ALORS QU’ON PEUT ENCORE ALIGNER 5 DÉFENSEURS 🥳

LOGIQUE RESPECTÉ 😂😂

The system bugs 😂😂

I completely disagree about the CDF. I've never had a single youngster, even a lousy one, come through an U17 tournament, and as for my scout (90 rating), he hasn't produced a player with 78 or more in several seasons. So detection is still by far the best way of getting quality juniors, unless you're lucky.

Ljames: Pour le CDF je suis en complet désaccord. Je n'ai jamais eu un seul jeune, même nul, venant d'un tournoi U17, et quant à mon recruteur (90 de note) il m'a pas sorti un joueur avec 78 ou plus depuis plusieurs saisons. Donc la détection reste, de très loin, le meilleur moyen d'avoir des juniors de qualité, à moins d'avoir de la chance

You're really unlucky then 🤣
All my big potentials (83/84/82/81/80) come from my VF scout or tournament 😂😂
Go lay a candle at the basilica dude

A radical change would be best, trying to be close to reality doesn't necessarily make the game attractive to new entrants I completely agree with the topic launched, it would perhaps limit some being tempted to cheat 😉

I agree that the more you restrict and stereotype players, the more boring the game becomes.
Marking was a good idea, but in a reasonable way (players with 99 markings is nonsense), like players who are totally unbalanced to gain in instructions, it's a shame every time we start with a good idea...
Yes to players with more different profiles but for that perhaps we should review the calculation of the ng in a reasonable way, in particular why full-backs wouldn't have attacking points and be able to score.

Ljames: Pour le CDF je suis en complet désaccord. Je n'ai jamais eu un seul jeune, même nul, venant d'un tournoi U17, et quant à mon recruteur (90 de note) il m'a pas sorti un joueur avec 78 ou plus depuis plusieurs saisons. Donc la détection reste, de très loin, le meilleur moyen d'avoir des juniors de qualité, à moins d'avoir de la chance

I've only had 1 since 2008

The tactical aspect needs to be reviewed, you really don't have to like yourself to stay on your phone for 90 minutes and change instructions every minute.

As for the style, that should be reviewed. But as it stands, it's not necessarily a good thing. First of all, the fact that the positive impact doesn't depend at all on endurance is a problem, in my opinion.

(Now, the impact will naturally be reduced as players' NG drops).

You've summed it all up, thank you

That's a good summary! Maybe you should have put your message in the game improvement section to make it more visible with the thumb rankings ;-)

It's a good deck.

I completely agree with deck.

VF could have been (and still is) the best management/football game. There's real potential in this game, but it needs to be fully exploited.

I don't know if Aymeric is aware of this, and I think it's a real shame. There are so many little things that could be developed to make it, firstly, attractive to new players, because, let's be honest, most of the people who are still here have been playing for a long time, or have stopped before starting again.

Secondly, with a few improvements, it would give a new objective to the managers who have been around for a long time and motivate them once again.

Aymeric certainly has his own vision of things, but it would be great to share it, instead of making a change in his corner and letting the whole community complain because they don't understand.

A real suggestion would be for Aymeric to surround himself with competent people to help him develop VF a little further and make it THE reference. It would be a win-win situation for everyone, Aymeric first and foremost, because there would be more players and more profitability, and VF's managers would be happy.

Tomasm: Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec deck.

VF aurait pu devenir (et peut encore l'être), le meilleur jeu de gestion/football. Il y a un réel potentiel dans ce jeu, mais il doit être pleinement exploité.

Je ne sais pas si Aymeric en est conscient, et je trouve cela vraiment dommage. Il y aurait tellement de petites choses à développer pour le rendre, premièrement, attractif pour les nouveaux joueurs, car, soyons honnêtes, la plupart des personnes encore présentes le sont depuis longtemps, ou on...

It costs money to pay developers, doesn't it?

Galywat: Ça coûte de l'argent de payer des développeurs hein

Yes, but sometimes you have to lose some to gain some 😉
I sincerely think that by developing the game you can attract a lot more people and aymeric will find his way with the store or other subterfuge that I don't master.

Tomasm: Oui mais de temps en temps il faut savoir en perdre pour en gagner 😉
Je pense sincèrement qu'en développant le jeux tu peux attirer beaucoup plus de monde et aymeric s'y retrouvera avec le store ou autre subterfuge que je ne maîtrise pas.

Well... I'm not convinced at all. And I'm not sure that a hyper-profitable game is what the community wants, for all that it implies.

Galywat: Ça coûte de l'argent de payer des développeurs hein

Moderators, graphic designers, translators etc. That costs money too. Well, normally, but he's lucky enough to have a great community invested in him, ready to lend a hand.

Not to mention a developer, but perhaps a 'mediator' - someone who communicates directly with him, and who can synthesise feedback from the community and good ideas for him if he doesn't have the time to look at them.

Galywat: Mouais... J'en suis absolument pas convaincu. Et je ne suis pas sûr qu'un jeu hyper rentable soit ce que veut la communauté, pour ce que tout cela implique.

Personally, I don't care about the game's profitability. The aim is for everyone to get something out of playing VF.
Today, if you take away the community aspect, which is one of VF's greatest strengths, you have 50% of players who stop playing because they don't enjoy the game itself.

If you're going to pay developers, you want to bring in a minimum amount of money, which means having enough people. Given how nostalgic people here are for 2007 (see the initial post) and its own codes, no, the community isn't ready for the expectations of potential players in 2025.

Galywat: Si tu dois payer des développeurs tu cherches à faire rentrer un minimum d'argent donc avoir suffisamment de monde. Vu comment les gens ici sont nostalgiques de 2007 (cf le post initial) et ses propres codes, non la communauté est pas prête aux attentes de potentiels joueurs de 2025.

And if money is to be made, the VF store will have to offer benefits that are a little more substantial than what it does today. It would be a real pay2win.

Galywat: Si tu dois payer des développeurs tu cherches à faire rentrer un minimum d'argent donc avoir suffisamment de monde. Vu comment les gens ici sont nostalgiques de 2007 (cf le post initial) et ses propres codes, non la communauté est pas prête aux attentes de potentiels joueurs de 2025.

It's all the same, you can take the codes from 2007 and bring satisfaction to the newcomers, thereby increasing the community. It's all about the right balance.
And I sincerely believe that just because you don't like the idea of developing the game doesn't mean that the community isn't ready.
But anyway, I'm not going to deviate from the initial topic, which is quite nice and which I totally agree with.

Nicularo: Et puis s’il faut faire rentrer de l’argent, le VF store devra offrir des avantages un peu plus conséquents que ce qu’il apporte aujourd’hui. On serait dans un pay2win, un vrai.

In fact, that's the real risk, depending on how it's dosed by the Mdj.

Deck: Des modérateurs, des graphistes, des traducteurs etc..Ça coûte de l'argent également. Enfin normalement, mais il a la chance d'avoir une super communauté investie prête à lui donner un coup de main.

Sans parler d'un développeur, mais peut-être un "médiateur " une personne qui communique en direct avec lui, et lui synthétise les retours de la communauté, les bonnes idées, si lui n'a pas le temps de regarder

I don't see what a mediator will do to change the way things work. Aymeric reads our ideas. He only takes the ones he thinks are good, and that won't change. We just don't all have the same definition of what's good and what's not.